The Suggestion Box

[Dyakovo]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=267753

Fair play actually. I don't imagine that was easy to do.

Aye. Kudos to her for that.

[Shaggai]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=267753

Fair play actually. I don't imagine that was easy to do.

Aye. Kudos to her for that.

I agree. Thank you, DLN. This sort of thing needs to happen more often, among both mods AND players. (Well, okay, players shouldn't create threads solely to apologize, as that would be spam. But apologies and admissions of being wrong are always a good thing.)

[Bezombia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=267753

Fair play actually. I don't imagine that was easy to do.

Aye. Kudos to her for that.

DLN's a girl?

[Regnum Dominae]

Aye. Kudos to her for that.

DLN's a girl?

Yes...

[Fartsniffage]

Aye. Kudos to her for that.

DLN's a girl?

Dread Lady......

[Bezombia]

DLN's a girl?

Dread Lady......

Hey now I don't go around assuming Zombie Adolf Hitler is really Adolf Hitler or Zombie Stalin is really Stalin.

[The UK in Exile]

Dread Lady......

Hey now I don't go around assuming Zombie Adolf Hitler is really Adolf Hitler or Zombie Stalin is really Stalin.

cause they swapped over.

[United Dependencies]

we look at their TGs.

Err... I do hope that doesn't mean what I think it means.

[Divair]

Hold the fucking phone. The staff just went full-NSA?

[Souseiseki]

we look at their TGs.

Err... I do hope that doesn't mean what I think it means.

it means exactly what you think it means

[Regnum Dominae]

we look at their TGs.

Err... I do hope that doesn't mean what I think it means.

I'm going to have to second that.

People should be notified before their TGs are looked through.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was. No one goes though tg's at random. No one is allowed. EVERY moderation action that is taken is logged, and one had better have a damn good reason to look anywhere not out in the open for things, or there would be hell to pay.

So no. We do not, nor have we ever, gone 'full NSA' on the general populace. Nor are there any intentions to do so. Withdrawing again, now that this has at least been clarified - feel free to wait for someone who you will listen to to tell you the same thing if you like. A reminder again, that this is not a discussion thread - and if you have a report to make, there are places you can do that. Thanks.

[Regnum Dominae]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was. No one goes though tg's at random. No one is allowed. EVERY moderation action that is taken is logged, and one had better have a damn good reason to look anywhere not out in the open for things, or there would be hell to pay.

So no. We do not, nor have we ever, gone 'full NSA' on the general populace. Nor are there any intentions to do so. Withdrawing again, now that this has at least been clarified - feel free to wait for someone who you will listen to to tell you the same thing if you like. A reminder again, that this is not a discussion thread - and if you have a report to make, there are places you can do that. Thanks.

Thanks. I still have one question though: are people notified when they have been email-nominated to be a mod?

[Souseiseki]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was. No one goes though tg's at random. No one is allowed. EVERY moderation action that is taken is logged, and one had better have a damn good reason to look anywhere not out in the open for things, or there would be hell to pay.

So no. We do not, nor have we ever, gone 'full NSA' on the general populace. Nor are there any intentions to do so. Withdrawing again, now that this has at least been clarified - feel free to wait for someone who you will listen to to tell you the same thing if you like. A reminder again, that this is not a discussion thread - and if you have a report to make, there are places you can do that. Thanks.

do you /ask tell them before you look though? o:

i mean if you wanna make a 100% clarification post that should probably be in there

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Well, here's the thing for me regarding these TGs being read.

To date, I haven't (as far as I know, unless I missed something) received even a single unofficial warning for any misconduct. I take a certain amount of pride in this, as I generally consider the rules to be reasonable where they are clear, and I can generally get clarification in moderation if I'm confused about a specific interpretation or ruling. It isn't overly difficult for me to control my temper online, and when I do lose it, I can still phrase things carefully enough to avoid direct insult, though I admit that I've crossed a bit close to the line once or twice. I don't troll, I don't spam, and I don't open threads with poor or meaningless OPs. I report blatant flamers, flamebaiters, spammers, and trolls. since I like to be able to have a decent debate without the distractions they provide. Additionally, I like to think that I have a decent reputation on this site for a relative newcomer to the forums.

Here's the thing: This means that there's a vague possibility that I might be nominated for a moderator position someday if one opens up. I'd probably refuse it if it were offered to me, but there's always the possibility. And this means that I would be subjected to a review of my telegrams.

I've made personal comments in my telegrams. I've made admittedly juvenile jokes about various NSGers and their arguments. I've let off steam about moderatorial decisions I've disagreed with. And I did so under the assumption that so long as I wasn't raising a ruckus or abusing the telegram system, my communications would remain private. Not because that's how it's spelled out in the rules, but because that has been the standard on every single discussion board with IM capabilities that I have belonged to for well over a decade. Now I find out that if someone thinks that I've done a good enough job on this site to nominate me to be entrusted with more responsibility, this means that without asking ahead of time, the administrative staff would peruse communications of mine that I'd thought in good faith would remain private so long as I wasn't accused of violating the rules.

It is incredibly disturbing to learn of this fact. Frankly, my entire opinion of the site and the staff that handles it has changed drastically.

[Lost heros]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was.

I don't think the problem is looking at everything. I think the problem is looking at everything without telling the person that they are going to look through everything.

[Vakolic]

I agree, but from another standpoint.

I've nominated people for mod-ness before: people who I think will be able to give unbiased rule enforcement, for much of the day, and are relatively willing to listen to people, with the possible exception of his own region.

However, in doing so, am I unintentionally inviting you to read someone's private telegrams?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was.

I don't think the problem is looking at everything. I think the problem is looking at everything without telling the person that they are going to look through everything.

I'd agree that this is the crux of the issue.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Thanks. I still have one question though: are people notified when they have been email-nominated to be a mod?

Before much looking on our part is done, aside from the 'general knowledge of and discussion' by those who know them behind the scenes, players are contacted to see if they would even be willing to serve as a moderator. There isn't much point in prying into someone's affairs if you aren't seriously considering them, and they aren't seriously considering accepting.

So no, we don't just go digging at the first hint of modship. We do ask if players would be willing to serve if we're seriously considering them. And that level of looking is not done prior to that final step, and is only done to ascertain if they are indeed the person they present themselves as. Reasons for that ought to be obvious.

I honestly can't remember when folks were notified, but it was made clear that it was done and why - I recall an 'apologies for rummaging through your underwear drawer' post in one case. The recent mods would know that answer better.

It isn't anything that any site, business, or organization doesn't do in regards to their servers, their service, their site. The difference being we have a very strict set of rules on how it's done, and who it's done by.

I'll refer you to the unchanged TOS for reference. And while we're at it, the FAQ.

[Dyakovo]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was.

I don't think the problem is looking at everything. I think the problem is looking at everything without telling the person that they are going to look through everything.

Exactly. The policy should be that if you're nominated (and seriously considered) to ask to look through the TGs. If the person says no, they're taken out of the running.

[Caninope]

It means that in the case of moderation candidates, at the very end of said review, everything that needed to be looked at, was. No one goes though tg's at random. No one is allowed. EVERY moderation action that is taken is logged, and one had better have a damn good reason to look anywhere not out in the open for things, or there would be hell to pay.

So no. We do not, nor have we ever, gone 'full NSA' on the general populace. Nor are there any intentions to do so. Withdrawing again, now that this has at least been clarified - feel free to wait for someone who you will listen to to tell you the same thing if you like. A reminder again, that this is not a discussion thread - and if you have a report to make, there are places you can do that. Thanks.

See, here's the problem with that.

The Mods have said this five times (I think) now after the specifically locked the discussion threads and pointed us in this direction. Hence my appeal here.

[Vakolic]

Thanks. I still have one question though: are people notified when they have been email-nominated to be a mod?

Before much looking on our part is done, aside from the 'general knowledge of and discussion' by those who know them behind the scenes, players are contacted to see if they would even be willing to serve as a moderator. There isn't much point in prying into someone's affairs if you aren't seriously considering them, and they aren't seriously considering accepting.

So no, we don't just go digging at the first hint of modship. We do ask if players would be willing to serve if we're seriously considering them. And that level of looking is not done prior to that final step, and is only done to ascertain if they are indeed the person they present themselves as. Reasons for that ought to be obvious.

I honestly can't remember when folks were notified, but it was made clear that it was done and why - I recall an 'apologies for rummaging through your underwear drawer' post in one case. The recent mods would know that answer better.

It isn't anything that any site, business, or organization doesn't do in regards to their servers, their service, their site. The difference being we have a very strict set of rules on how it's done, and who it's done by.

I'll refer you to the unchanged TOS for reference. And while we're at it, the FAQ.

Thanks forthe clarifcation.

[Bezombia]

Hold the fucking phone. The staff just went full-NSA?

You're surprised? I honestly can't see the big deal.

So what if the mods see that totally nsfw chain tg that went through the nsh thread about five months ago I have absolutely nothing at all to hide in either my inbox or sent messages, and certainly not in my archives.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

See, here's the problem with that.

The Mods have said this five times (I think) now after the specifically locked the discussion threads and pointed us in this direction. Hence my appeal here.

It's still being discussed. It hasn't been ignored. Is the problem you haven't been given your way immediately, or is it a lack of patience? There's been quite a bit to discuss across various timezones.

[Caninope]

It isn't anything that any site, business, or organization doesn't do in regards to their servers, their service, their site. The difference being we have a very strict set of rules on how it's done, and who it's done by.

I'll refer you to the unchanged TOS for reference. And while we're at it, the FAQ.

You see, DLN, here's my problem with that.

You guys do not, in any way, pretend to be bound by privacy considerations but when it comes to other affairs, you choose not to exercise the considerable leeway the site has, and instead be bound by a laughable strict standard and threaten posters with legal threats of harassment.

Please, be consistent.