Europeian Embassy - In Solidarity

[RiderSyl]

Any other nitpicks you want to comically exaggerate?

Are you offering more?

Sure, just give me something worth responding to.

[Pichtonia]

Are you offering more?

Sure, just give me something worth responding to.

Something worth responding to, like a Simpsons-GIF. Are you going to reply to this post, too?

[Malphe II]

MJ booped me to say he meant the generally cavalier atmosphere in the public server, so doesn't ostensibly appear to be intended as an accusation of anything OOC?

Tell me how the hell that response to you jives with this response to me earlier:

If some of the things that have happened ever actually come out, I hope you remember this post, and apologise.

Apparently that's in reference to past events among BoM leadership, whatever it's actually referencing appears to have been left distressingly vague. I'd definitely urge more clarity on the character of these things, if any of it is OOC it should be communicated to regional administrators immediately.

[The Universe World]

This is a cheap excuse so these regions can justify ignoring the existence of BoM.

1.) Independents declare things like that they've "lost control" of raiders or that they're "almost always going to be a defender."
2.) Independents start libbing in force, stop working with Raiders
3.) Independents start retagging raiders
4.) Raiders send diplomats
5.) Diplomats say "if you keep treating us like an enemy, then we won't respect you and your regions arbitrarily, they'll be targets."
6.) Diplomats are ignored, rejected, told "not interested" by diplomats
6.5) Leading figures in those orgs DM leading figures in ours with vague bait that maybe things will change at some mystery point in the future if we continue to treat them like allies while they diss us. Raiders call BS.
7.) Raiders.....raid.
8.) "BREAKING NEWS, RAIDER COMMIT HOSTILE ACTS OF PROVOCATION. RAIDERS BANNED. HAHA RAIDERS MAD!!!"

I assure you, we've thought this out, we've sent diplomats, we've made compromises until the only thing left to compromise on were core values to raiding, and we've been told to fuck off, repeatedly, loudly, clearly. And also made clear that they're on Onder's leash begging for headpats, to boot. It's indeed not rocket science. Independents, capital "I," made their shift and made up their minds long before we stopped trying to treat with them. We're not going to waste targets dancing around their lawn ornaments while they piss on our doormat. Our diplomatic energies are much better focused on people interested in receiving our diplomats, drafting treaties, and growing friendships.

Emphasis mine - between this and the screens that Zeorus shared, truly, how could such friendly diplomacy be rejected!

Not even close to accurate.

[Penny Polendina]

Tell me how the hell that response to you jives with this response to me earlier:

Apparently that's in reference to past events among BoM leadership, whatever it's actually referencing appears to have been left distressingly vague. I'd definitely urge more clarity on the character of these things, if any of it is OOC it should be communicated to regional administrators immediately.

if MJ wants to backpedal in private, that's all well and good, but it doesn't really line up well with all but agreeing that the use of claims of toxicity and TBR/Den-ness aren't taken in a purely IC sense.

e: yikes, wrong nation; hi this is devi

[Madjack]

Apparently that's in reference to past events among BoM leadership, whatever it's actually referencing appears to have been left distressingly vague. I'd definitely urge more clarity on the character of these things, if any of it is OOC it should be communicated to regional administrators immediately.

if MJ wants to backpedal in private

Not a backpedal, a clarification. I shouldn't have included two separate things I was talking about - the general attitude and tone of the BoM server which, whilst unpleasant, is an IC kind of unpleasantness and a few specific incidents involving individuals in BoM leadership roles - without making it much clearer than I was being, something I've now done to several people who expressed curiosity at what I meant both publicly and privately.

[Dawn Denac]

You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.

If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.

[Dominion of Acielon]

You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.

If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.

Well. I do have a theory. I've cut all my ties with the LKE now, after Emperor Felix threatened me with banishment, if I don't express support for the BoM conspiracy narrative in the LKE Forums. There was no demand for me to state support on the NS-Forums which leads me to believe that the BoM conspiracy narrative is actually just meant to divert from malcontent possibly coming from internal issues of the LKE.
But this is only a theory of mine.

[The Universe World]

You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.

If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.

Very good point. The only situation in which BoM would be involved but not take credit is if they planned on “using” the exact same nations to infiltrate another region. Which obviously wouldn’t work.

[Dawn Denac]

You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.

If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.

Well. I do have a theory. I've cut all my ties with the LKE now, after Emperor Felix threatened me with banishment, if I don't express support for the BoM conspiracy narrative in the LKE Forums. There was no demand for me to state support on the NS-Forums which leads me to believe that the BoM conspiracy narrative is actually just meant to divert from malcontent possibly coming from internal issues of the LKE.
But this is only a theory of mine.

It really doesn't stop coming, does it? I'll accept LKE's immediate allies will probably not comment on my point, deflect, obfuscate or dance around it or turn this into an echo chamber. I wouldn't even keep bringing it up on Euro's thread if it wasn't for their announcement regarding it, I'd of brought it up in Valfor's new thread.

You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.

If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.

Very good point. The only situation in which BoM would be involved but not take credit is if they planned on “using” the exact same nations to infiltrate another region. Which obviously wouldn’t work.

Typically one has to judge a potential target by its potential reward. You could make the argument of infiltrating any defender aligned region, but any defender aligned region has an active founder pretty much 99% of the time. Infiltrating a target with an active founder is absolutely useless, as the amount of effort and locked raiders wouldn't be worth the payoff.

EDIT: Clarified the post a bit.

[Devi]

if MJ wants to backpedal in private

Not a backpedal, a clarification. I shouldn't have included two separate things I was talking about - the general attitude and tone of the BoM server which, whilst unpleasant, is an IC kind of unpleasantness and a few specific incidents involving individuals in BoM leadership roles - without making it much clearer than I was being, something I've now done to several people who expressed curiosity at what I meant both publicly and privately.

the clarification's genuinely appreciated, then. while it might not've been the intent, throwing around comparisons to tbr/den- something near-exclusively brought up for the ooc nastiness- along with the branding as toxic definitely made more than a few people in the malice camp put two and two together

as is, IC unpleasantness's a much more palatable brush to be tarred with; even if i'd still disagree with the claim that the IC culture has significant similarities. that's probably a topic for a different thread though, hah

[All Wild Things]

The statement does imply that the PNGs are OOC related.

[...] That is true of moralist defenders and it is true of the adherents of raider unity. One is cosplaying as a white knight and the other a black hat but underneath they mirror each other in their motivations as well as in the toxicity and damage they leave behind. These movements exist to consolidate power and influence among of a group of elite players, to subvert and dominate any community or entity that can advance their interests at any cost. [...]

To me, it's saying that "underneath" the "cosplay" (ie the OOC personalities) of certain players there is toxicity. It then names a bunch of people as being PNG. If the PNGs are meant to be IC, then that intro was unnecessary, and somewhat misleading.

[Reventus Koth]

These individuals have undermined the laws of The Land of Kings and Emperors, our historic ally, and used their offices there for personal gain, supported by the Brotherhood of Malice.

Day 3 of waiting for literally any evidence. There's more to address in this statement, but others already have, and this is really the key thing that needs to be called out, over and over, until there's a shred of proof to back this up.

[Guy]

I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.

[Andusre]

I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.

Should I ever need to explain "missing the forest for the trees", I will refer to this post.

[RiderSyl]

I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.

As usual, Guy has hit the nail on the head. And it's always nice when it isn't your head he's hitting the nail on...

Should I ever need to explain "missing the forest for the trees", I will refer to this post.

I'm sure you'll expound on how Guy is "missing the forest for the trees" here and not just leave this vague, snarky criticism hanging up in the air forever.
Right?

[The Church of Satan]

I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.

Perhaps it's because their statement makes LKE look even worse by virtue of making Europeia look like yet another puppet state of Onder. Since you are a defender too, you know it gives us all the warm fuzziest when imperialists look bad.

[RiderSyl]

I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.

Perhaps it's because their statement makes LKE look even worse by virtue of making Europeia look like yet another puppet state of Onder. Since you are a defender too, you know it gives us all the warm fuzziest when imperialists look bad.

Defenders have sided with LKE and Europeia here, CoS.

You and Guy are the first two defenders since the Euro statement to actually criticize Euro here.

[The Church of Satan]

You and Guy are the first two defenders since the Euro statement to actually criticize Euro here.

Well, I do like conforming to Onder's misconceptions about defenders, heh.

[Europeian Embassy]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact Information (Discord): PhDre#1424

ERN Sets Pile Record in England as Joint Operation Continues

On Saturday morning, Vice President Writinglegend took to the Europeian forums to make an unusual request. Hours earlier, the Europeian Republican Navy had participated in a “high profile occupation of England with many of our Independent partners.” Now, the Vice President wanted any available Europeian to “pile” into England and show “not only our military strength on the international stage, but the military strength of the wider Independent sphere.”

The “pile” of England by the ERN is “in partnership with allies and friends… Numbers are power in military gameplay, and the operation is a showcasing of the current established power of those militaries,” said the Vice President, when the EBC reached out for questions. Those partners include Thaecia, The West Pacific, Lone Wolves United, Balder, Sky Haven, and The Communist Bloc, in what Thaecia is dubbing Operation Jacobite.

As of publication, 26 Europeians represent the region in the invasion of England, which is a new record. The previous record was set during the ambitious Operation Boom Beach in early 2021. “We are seeing [new] levels of activity and [participation] with our military… The ERN is the strongest it has been in Europeian history,” said Vice President Writinglegend. “The objectives of the ERN and our partners are to deploy as many sailors as possible and to successfully hold the target [England] for the duration of our stay.” Commenters across the gameplay sphere noted the continued success of the operation as well as ERN's show of force.

Each Europeian participating makes a difference, as Defenders pour into the region to support native World Assembly members and pry the region from the control of ally forces. “This is the second time our administration has made use of the Grand Hall to get citizens more involved in our military affairs. In early Feb, we made a call in the Grand Hall to get citizens involved in an active liberation... now, we are making a call to get citizens involved in an active pile effort... We understand the need to use all available resources to aggressively push for higher turnout.” With over 100 World Assembly nations participating in the hold, Europeians are playing a crucial role in the operation.

Just prior to the minor update on Monday, April 4th, individuals who are PNG in Europeia moved into England and tried to participate in the pile. When reached for comment, President CSP said, “Malice [of Brotherhood] was not invited to participate. We saw a few units move in before today's minor and they were promptly removed. Whether these were a few well-meaning mercenaries or yet another attempt to bait is unclear and ultimately unimportant. We will not work with them and our partners support us in that decision." Those nations have already been banjected from England by Europeian partner Thaecia.

Writinglegend noted that Europeians who participate in a pile can “absolutely participate in the Reserves, because the Reserves are a non-update force that assists in piles, delegacy transitions, and other non-update but vital military activities.” For now, the pile record stands at 28, but look for the ERN to continue to bolster its forces and for new ways to project power in NationStates gameplay.

[Malphe II]

Woah, 26 is a really impressive turnout. Impressed yall!

Also, Malice [of Brotherhood] is gonna send me giggling for a while.

[Europeian Embassy]

Writinglegend Elected President, Sincluda to serve as Vice
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact Information (Discord): PhDre#1424

(Europeia, April 17, 2022) - In a shortened Presidential election cycle, Vice President Writinglegend defeated Grand Admiral Kuramia 42-31 (57.5% - 42.5%). Candidates participated in a Presidential debate and spent the week campaigning and answering questions on their Presidential platforms.

The Writinglegend/Sincluda ticket never trailed in the election, surging ahead in the early minutes of voting and holding their lead comfortably throughout the day. Election results were in line with private media polling, which put the Writinglegend/Sincluda ticket at 55% support.

Incumbent President Common-Sense Politics (CSP) initially stood, but had to remove himself from the campaign on April 9th. Vice President Writinglegend then tapped Senator Sincluda as his running mate, saying that "a critical issue...is how we can get younger members more involved and invested in leading our region." Vice President Sincluda was level-headed when he spoke to the Europeian Broadcasting Corporation today. "It was a lot of work (to campaign), but I'll have even more work in the term ahead. It may seem a little daunting at first, but if there's anything this campaign has taught me, it's that I can definitely do it."

The Kuramia/Darkslayer ticket was seemingly manifested by Europeian citizens responding to the EBC End-of-Term Poll. In a recent private media podcast episode, Presidential Candidate Kuramia exclaimed, "there totally was a draft Kuramia movement!" However, Kuramia also noted that the timing of CSP's leave of absence and exit from the race left their campaign off-balance. "I was expecting CSP to be running, and waiting waiting waiting for his platform to drop was interesting, and then it wasn't dropping and suddenly (we had to post our platform)."

President Writinglegend was nostalgic when he spoke to the EBC just after polls closed. "Returning to the Goldenblock, a place that I have called home throughout my Europeian career, is bittersweet. I look forward to the many positive memories I will make with both my team and the community."

The President has released an inaugural address and submitted Cabinet nominations to the Senate. Writinglegend enjoyed high approval ratings in the previous term and should be expected to take that momentum into the new term.

Sincluda's accession to the Vice Presidency triggers a Senate by-election, which will occur just after the halfway point of the 83rd Senate's term.

[Quebecshire]

Congrats WL/Sin! It’s been great working with Euro lately, I look forward to seeing where your term goes.

[Venico]

Congrats on the election and best of luck getting your platform established and running.

[A Bloodred Moon]

Congratulations to both on their election.