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by Andusre » Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:13 pm
HumanSanity — Today at 18:15
Yes you are a petty asshole lol
[RRA] Minskiev — Today at 03:57
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by The North Polish Union » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:24 am
Wayneactia wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:A deeply regrettable decision that further demonstrates that the so-called 'independent' regions in reality only serve the interests of the current pre-eminent ideology.
A decade ago, 'independent' regions were little more than imperialist colonies, today they parrot the lines fed to them by defender organizations; the actors change over time but the broad patterns have not.
It's almost as if defenders have become imperialists.....
Andusre wrote:Democratic independent regions are free to decide what activities they do in GP and which regions they do that with. Just because a region has decided - in accordance with internal democratic protocols - that it is no longer in its interests to align with your ideology, does not mean that your opponents are pulling the strings.
Some of y'all have no idea how Thaecian Foreign Affairs operates, and the opinions you're gracing this thread with lay that bare to see.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Haganham » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:29 am
Wayneactia wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:A deeply regrettable decision that further demonstrates that the so-called 'independent' regions in reality only serve the interests of the current pre-eminent ideology.
A decade ago, 'independent' regions were little more than imperialist colonies, today they parrot the lines fed to them by defender organizations; the actors change over time but the broad patterns have not.
It's almost as if defenders have become imperialists.....
The North Polish Union wrote:A deeply regrettable decision that further demonstrates that the so-called 'independent' regions in reality only serve the interests of the current pre-eminent ideology.
A decade ago, 'independent' regions were little more than imperialist colonies, today they parrot the lines fed to them by defender organizations; the actors change over time but the broad patterns have not.
by Spode Humbled Minions » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:38 am
The North Polish Union wrote:I've been making this argument for the better part of a decade; rather than assisting founderless regions in any meaningful way defenders swoop in to maintain the status quo (any status quo), leaving the regions they 'defend' essentially dependent on various defender groups for any sort of stability. Additionally, virtually all founderless regions (fascists being the largest exception) are viewed as falling under the defenders' allegedly protective purview. This is a form of colonialism that the great imperialist regions of NS history could only dream of.
by The North Polish Union » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:53 am
Haganham wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:A deeply regrettable decision that further demonstrates that the so-called 'independent' regions in reality only serve the interests of the current pre-eminent ideology.
A decade ago, 'independent' regions were little more than imperialist colonies, today they parrot the lines fed to them by defender organizations; the actors change over time but the broad patterns have not.
If you want to lay blame with some other organization for Thaecia's decision you can look to The Black Hawks, The Brotherhood of Malice and Osiris, who have repeatedly antagonized Thaecia and targeted it's allies in an attempt to create legal crises and diplomatic incidents, to, at best I can tell, try to bait it it into isolating itself from the rest of NS. Clearly if this was the intent behind it, it failed.
Spode humbLed minions wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:I've been making this argument for the better part of a decade; rather than assisting founderless regions in any meaningful way defenders swoop in to maintain the status quo (any status quo), leaving the regions they 'defend' essentially dependent on various defender groups for any sort of stability. Additionally, virtually all founderless regions (fascists being the largest exception) are viewed as falling under the defenders' allegedly protective purview. This is a form of colonialism that the great imperialist regions of NS history could only dream of.
(Partially snipped down this post)
For an argument that you’ve been making for the “better part of a decade”, it’s a pretty bad one.
One of your central claims is that defenders are imperialist because regions are reliant on them to fight off raids.
But we don’t go around saying that the fire department is imperialist for putting out fires, do we?
There’s an understanding that each household having its own complete fire suppression system would be too expensive. Instead, we get instructions on what to do during a fire as well as tools to try and prevent them from happening in the first place. Meanwhile, we concentrate most of our resources to centralized bodies that can more efficiently protect properties from burning down.
I guess defender sleeper puppets are sprinklers in this analogy.
Anyhow, I guess if you want to… extinguish… defender imperialism, a good place to start would be to educate households er regions about how to protect themselves from fire er, raids.
I could even grab a fire marshal uniform (well one from the dollar store)!Wait Spode you’re being hypocritical, you’ve said that defenders could be imperialist before!
Yes, I am being hypocritical, but I’m also right- You know how some of the first firefighting departments worked? Yeah, like that. Probably fortunately though, I’m not actually in a position of much importance in defenderdom so my bad ideas have limited reach.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Refuge Isle » Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:49 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:In the current state of defenderdom, founderless regions are 'liberated' again and again, because (barring extraordinary circumstances) the defenders are uninterested in anything but the pre-invasion status quo. This leaves their client regions powerless to take steps for the betterment of the region, they are perpetually subordinated to the defender groups. In this respect, defenders engage in the same kind of imperialism practiced in the real world since the Cold War; rather than direct colonization (such as British India) dependent governments exist in client states which are unable to support themselves on their own, making those client governments receptive by necessity rather than choice to the great power's ideology (see South Vietnam or Communist Afghanistan).
The North Polish Union wrote:Even in cases where a major liberation takes place, the native communities only have limited scope with which to accomplish their goals. An example of this was seen recently in A Liberal Haven, where in spite of the fact that a number of nations had expressed interest in staying and Garchyland as the native delegate had given them permission to do so, many were still banned by an RO flying a Grey Wardens flag. If the natives are not ideologically pure enough for defenders, they will step in and take care of matters themselves.
by Aurum Raider » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:43 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:Additionally, virtually all founderless regions are viewed as falling under the defenders' allegedly protective purview. This is a form of colonialism that the great imperialist regions of NS history could only dream of.
The North Polish Union wrote:Additionally, virtually all founderless regions are viewed as falling under the defenders' allegedly protective purview. This is a form of colonialism that the great imperialist regions of NS history could only dream of.
by Haganham » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:01 am
The North Polish Union wrote:Haganham wrote:
If you want to lay blame with some other organization for Thaecia's decision you can look to The Black Hawks, The Brotherhood of Malice and Osiris, who have repeatedly antagonized Thaecia and targeted it's allies in an attempt to create legal crises and diplomatic incidents, to, at best I can tell, try to bait it it into isolating itself from the rest of NS. Clearly if this was the intent behind it, it failed.
Right. And the FRA, UDL, and so on repeatedly targeted Balder and its UIAF allies in an attempt to create legal crises and diplomatic incidents?
by Brototh » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:34 pm
New Executive government following General Elections
Thaecia recently held the region's ninth general election in which all elected positions were up for grabs: namely here, President and Prime Minister. 72 votes were cast for the positions. The President serves largely as the ceremonial Head of State and WA Delegate, whereas the Prime Minister is the Head of Government.
The Presidential race saw three candidates duke it out: Sunipi, the Chairman of the Thaecia Globalist Party [TGP], the region's second largest party, and an incumbent Deputy Speaker, Of Altonianic Islands, the Chairman of the Coalition of Thaecian Citizens [CTC], the region's third largest party, and an incumbent Member of Parliament, and Cerdenia, one of the region's first members and an incumbent Member of Parliament. The first two candidates ran Sevae and Snalland as their running mates. Whereas Cerdenia ran a joke campaign, both of the other candidates ran a campaign on involving the President more in the region's day to day affairs. Sunipi ran a campaign focused more on forming more relationships with other regions, and Altonianic ran a campaign on focusing more on Thaecia's internal matters.
The Prime Ministerial race similarly saw three candidates: Brototh, the region's most prolific law maker and an Independent who had previously served as President and currently the incumbent Speaker, The United Provinces of Kerovia, who had previously served as Culture Minister and a member of the Coalition of Thaecian Citizens, and Saltmore, a Thaecian newcomer. Saltmore did not publish a campaign, but both the other candidates ran on a largerly similar agenda of bringing the region into a more Executive focused culture, increasing advertisement of available positions, reducing workload, and bringing back the Communications Ministry. The candidates differed mainly on two points: Kerovia in favour of leading an effort to revive the Education Ministry, whereas Brototh in favour of disbanding it- and the other on their political support, with the Freedom Party [FREE], the region's largest, and TGP supporting Brototh's run whereas CTC supported Kerovia. Brototh ran Islonia as her running mate, where Kerovia ran Primo Order as his.
The results came as follows, both the winning candidates reaching majorities in their first rounds:
Brototh (Cinema) / Islonia (Altys) - 38 Votes (52.8%) [Winner]
Kerovia / Primo Order - 27 Votes (37.5%)
Saltmore - 7 Votes (9.7%)
Sunipi / Sevae (Seva) - 40 Votes (55.5%) [Winner]
Of Altonianic Islands / Snalland - 21 Votes (29.2%)
Cerdenia - 11 Votes (15.3%)
New Congress following General Elections
At the same time came elections for Thaecia's Congress, a bicameral elected legislature comprising the House of 11 seats and the Senate of 7 seats. The House serves a 2 month term, and the Senate, along with the President and PM, serves a 4 month term.
Campaigns again tackled the issue of a direct democracy, changes to how the region's recall systems work, growing partisanship in Thaecia, if the Congress should update the Law Registry or the Home Affairs Ministry should be responsible, the wave of many Thaecians resigning from offices lately, and the status of Congress's oversight on the Thaecian military. Currently, the Thaecian legislature has the power to veto any military engagement, and all 18 members must be informed of all military operations before they can take place.
The election was largely a battle of the parties: the Freedom Party of Thaecia, the region's conservative-isolationist party and the largest, formed a coalition prior to the election with the Thaecia Globalist Party, the region's conservative-globalist party, and the second largest. Additionally, candidates from the Coalition of Thaecian Citizens, the region's catch-all party, and the Radical Party of Thaecia [RAD], the smallest party and the region's reformist party that mainly serves as a direct democracy pressure group, contested the election. The amount of Independent candidates running was significantly lower than past elections.
In the Senate election, 12 candidates contested 7 seats. The results came as follows:
Sevae [TGP]
Porfloxia [TGP]
Gifty [FREE] [Incumbent]
Creckelenney [FREE] [Incumbent]
Angypt [CTC] [Incumbent]
Actias [CTC]
Vedenmark [IND] [Incumbent]
In the House election, 19 candidates contested 11 seats. The results came as follows:
Solittus [TGP] [Incumbent]
New Central Iowa [TGP]
Embrona [TGP]
Marvinville [FREE] [Incumbent]
Santa Marana [FREE] [Incumbent]
Mardis [FREE] [Incumbent]
Beganshan [FREE]
Of Altonianic Islands [CTC] [Incumbent]
The United Provinces of Kerovia [CTC]
Mafsachufetts Bay [CTC]
Snalland [RAD] [Incumbent]
As it stands, the TGP-FREE Coalition now control a majority in both Chambers of Congress, at 4/7 and 7/11. In the House, only Marvinville [FREE] declared their candidacy for the position of Speaker, being confirmed with 10 votes in favour, and no votes against. Snalland [RAD] abstained. In the Senate, the election was between Sevae [TGP] and Vedenmark [IND], resulting in Sevae being elected as Chairperson 5-1. Creckelenney [FREE] did not vote.
Cabinet Nominees Confirmed by Senate
Following election, Prime Minister Brototh asked for applicants for Ministerial positions, after having nominated Islonia for Minister of Foreign Affairs. As a result of those applications, on March 13th Brototh announced her Cabinet nominations as follows:
Islonia DPM as the Minister of Foreign Affairs [FAM]
The United Provinces of Kerovia MP as the Minister of Cultural Affairs [CAM]
Mardis MP as the Minister of Legal Affairs [LAM]
Snalland MP as the Minister of Domestic Affairs [DAM]
Toerana V as the Communications Minister [Comms]
All Cabinet nominees were then sent to the upper Chamber of Congress (the Senate) for a confirmation vote.
Confirmation Vote Turnout:
Aye / Nay / Abstain
Islonia: 5-0-2 [Passed]
The United Provinces of Kerovia: 6-0-1 [Passed]
Mardis: 6-0-1 [Passed]
Snalland: 6-0-1 [Passed]
Toerana V: 6-0-1 [Passed]
Order of Thaecia Nominees
On the 2nd of March 2022, then-incumbent Prime Minister Xernon nominated The Islamic Country of Honour [ICH], a former Prime Minister and long term Thaecian, for the Grand Order of Thaecia, the region's highest honour. Xernon's nomination cited ICH's long term participation in domestic programs and foreign affairs expansions, naming the passing of the EIA Treaty, and referencing their long-standing position in the Senate.
The nomination post can be found here.
3 days later, President Andusre accepted the nomination, inducting ICH into the Grand Order of Thaecia, making him the fifth individual ever to receive the award. A full list of individuals who have ever received any rank of the Order of Thaecia can be found here.
Legislation Passed in March
The following pieces of legislation have passed both Houses of Congress and have been signed into law by the Prime Minister:
- An Amendment to fix Problems that I created because I am not very smart and my Two mega bills were not 100% perfect which is why I am No longer a Legislator
Authored by: Brototh
Passed in the House of Commons via Unanimous Consent
Passed in the Senate via Unanimous Consent
The Prime Minister signed the bill into law on the 14th of March.- Mental Health Resources Repeal Act
By: Marvinville
Passed in the House of Commons 10-0-1
Passed in the Senate 4-3-0
The Prime Minister signed the bill into law on the 26th of March.
Other Announcements
- Ministry of Foreign Affairs | Reprioritization of Diplomatic & Military Partners
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1676734
by Malphe II » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:55 pm
Brototh wrote:The following pieces of legislation have passed both Houses of Congress and have been signed into law by the Prime Minister:
An Amendment to fix Problems that I created because I am not very smart and my Two mega bills were not 100% perfect which is why I am No longer a Legislator
[...]
Mental Health Resources Repeal Act
By: Marvinville
Mental Health Resources Repeal Act Full Text wrote:Recognizing that L.R. 054 has never been enforced by the Executive.
This Act hereby repeals L.R. 054 Thaecian Mental Health Resources Act
by Andusre » Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:27 pm
HumanSanity — Today at 18:15
Yes you are a petty asshole lol
[RRA] Minskiev — Today at 03:57
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by Haganham » Sun Apr 03, 2022 2:02 am
at least you didn't lift it from braveheartPlease note - I wrote this op report based on a history class I took years ago with a lot of help from Wikipedia. It's definitely not an accurate representation of the war, but it's a good story to tell anyway. Read up on it at your own leisure!
by Altys » Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:10 am
Haganham wrote:as a scot this whole thing makes me feel very conflicted. I want to defend things but... the English?
by Andusre » Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:43 am
HumanSanity — Today at 18:15
Yes you are a petty asshole lol
[RRA] Minskiev — Today at 03:57
I mean I'm sure Onder is a good enough actor to pull off gay zoomer scotsman
by Andusre » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:06 pm
HumanSanity — Today at 18:15
Yes you are a petty asshole lol
[RRA] Minskiev — Today at 03:57
I mean I'm sure Onder is a good enough actor to pull off gay zoomer scotsman
by Minskiev » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:12 pm
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