Europeian Embassy - In Solidarity

[RiderSyl]

This thinly-veiled, poorly-justified blacklisting of the Brotherhood of Malice by NSGP at large is absolute bullshit and I'm tired of it. Players like Tim, Quebec, Madjack, and NES pulling strings leading to statements citing toxicity as fait accompli for these PNGs and diplomatic breakups? It's hypocrisy incarnate. My own personal life means I should step back and not participate, instead watching as this travesty unfolds, but I will instead do as Tim called it and 'brigade' on this dumbassery. I refuse to sit by and let an organization whose biggest crime is hurting your fucking feelings be treated like The Invaders or DEN by regions full of players whose most effective quality is the ability to spin-doctor.

I've seen you claim in that one moderation query and that edit by Tim that your accusations aren't OOC. Actions speak way louder than empty words and IC justifications that NS's youngest can rip apart with ease.

[Ikania]

To all this statement concerns: welcome to the "PNG in Europeia" club! I've been warming your seats for five whole years, and I can't wait to get to know you all!

[The Universe World]

This thinly-veiled, poorly-justified blacklisting of the Brotherhood of Malice by NSGP at large is absolute bullshit and I'm tired of it. Players like Tim, Quebec, Madjack, and NES pulling strings leading to statements citing toxicity as fait accompli for these PNGs and diplomatic breakups? It's hypocrisy incarnate. My own personal life means I should step back and not participate, instead watching as this travesty unfolds, but I will instead do as Tim called it and 'brigade' on this dumbassery. I refuse to sit by and let an organization whose biggest crime is hurting your fucking feelings be treated like The Invaders or DEN by regions full of players whose most effective quality is the ability to spin-doctor.

This is the most well-written, potent, and accurate analysis of this situation. The desire among certain people/regions to find a raider region that can “replace” The Invaders (and before them, DEN) as raiding’s signature “bad” region so they can justify having pure visceral hatred for raiders is disgusting.

[Quebecshire]

This thinly-veiled, poorly-justified blacklisting of the Brotherhood of Malice by NSGP at large is absolute bullshit and I'm tired of it. Players like Tim, Quebec, Madjack, and NES pulling strings leading to statements citing toxicity as fait accompli for these PNGs and diplomatic breakups? It's hypocrisy incarnate. My own personal life means I should step back and not participate, instead watching as this travesty unfolds, but I will instead do as Tim called it and 'brigade' on this dumbassery. I refuse to sit by and let an organization whose biggest crime is hurting your fucking feelings be treated like The Invaders or DEN by regions full of players whose most effective quality is the ability to spin-doctor.

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They will never be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

[Malicious Souls]

Peak diplomacy is ignoring and rejecting diplomats, haven't you heard? The biggest regions in NS are doing it!

Only the diplomats worth no one's time. Though I guess if you or Mira want to blast to the world how undesirable you have made your organizations, then go off king

Wonderful to see decisive action by Europeia in support of an ally and such a firm intolerance for recent behavior.

Ah yes, Mira is the one who looks bad from being repeatedly ignored, then maligned for trying to find someone else in the chain of command to get a response, and finally told "not interested" a month later when someone cared to dignify him with a response. That really shows how Mira is the one practicing undesirable diplomacy. Definitely.

[RiderSyl]

This thinly-veiled, poorly-justified blacklisting of the Brotherhood of Malice by NSGP at large is absolute bullshit and I'm tired of it. Players like Tim, Quebec, Madjack, and NES pulling strings leading to statements citing toxicity as fait accompli for these PNGs and diplomatic breakups? It's hypocrisy incarnate. My own personal life means I should step back and not participate, instead watching as this travesty unfolds, but I will instead do as Tim called it and 'brigade' on this dumbassery. I refuse to sit by and let an organization whose biggest crime is hurting your fucking feelings be treated like The Invaders or DEN by regions full of players whose most effective quality is the ability to spin-doctor.

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They never will be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

Set aside your grating Tim-lite performance for one minute, Quebec, and maybe see how the PNGs and bans are a replacement for blacklisting because the PNGs and bans have no fucking merit outside of just pushing Malice away.

Also, why is it that everyone that takes up the mantle of First Warden immediately becomes the foreign affairs equivalent of Glen-Rhodes?

[Devi]

This thinly-veiled, poorly-justified blacklisting of the Brotherhood of Malice by NSGP at large is absolute bullshit and I'm tired of it. Players like Tim, Quebec, Madjack, and NES pulling strings leading to statements citing toxicity as fait accompli for these PNGs and diplomatic breakups? It's hypocrisy incarnate. My own personal life means I should step back and not participate, instead watching as this travesty unfolds, but I will instead do as Tim called it and 'brigade' on this dumbassery. I refuse to sit by and let an organization whose biggest crime is hurting your fucking feelings be treated like The Invaders or DEN by regions full of players whose most effective quality is the ability to spin-doctor.

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They never will be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

oh please. the deliberate claims of 'toxicity' from so many of the figureheads pushing for BoM's isolation carries enough connotations. y'all aren't dumb, stop pretending otherwise.

[Dawn Denac]

So, going to put this question out here -again.-

What time travelling did BoM do to recruit Rose and Astrid into BoM for this action against LKE?

Everything else in this post is fine and I honestly welcome the oncoming memes and such, congratulations all around and such, but if anyone could answer this liiiitttle itty-bitty discrepancy that'd be pretty cool.

[The Universe World]

This thinly-veiled, poorly-justified blacklisting of the Brotherhood of Malice by NSGP at large is absolute bullshit and I'm tired of it. Players like Tim, Quebec, Madjack, and NES pulling strings leading to statements citing toxicity as fait accompli for these PNGs and diplomatic breakups? It's hypocrisy incarnate. My own personal life means I should step back and not participate, instead watching as this travesty unfolds, but I will instead do as Tim called it and 'brigade' on this dumbassery. I refuse to sit by and let an organization whose biggest crime is hurting your fucking feelings be treated like The Invaders or DEN by regions full of players whose most effective quality is the ability to spin-doctor.

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They will never be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

Unless your definition of blacklisting is the absolute strictest definition possible (see: Genua, and to a slightly lesser extent, Sanctum), this is blacklisting, and important blacklisting due to the power and size of the regions who have blacklisted BoM.

[RiderSyl]

To all this statement concerns: welcome to the "PNG in Europeia" club! I've been warming your seats for five whole years, and I can't wait to get to know you all!

Would be a less awkward club if you weren't printing those "Osiris Delenda Est" posters in the corner over there..

[Tim-Opolis]

Set aside your grating Tim-lite performance for one minute, Quebec, and maybe see how the PNGs and bans are a replacement for blacklisting because the PNGs and bans have no fucking merit outside of just pushing Malice away.

Maybe Malice should think against engaging in direct hostilities against Independents, if they don't want to be unwelcome in Independent Regions.

It's really not rocket science.

[Madjack]

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They never will be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

oh please. the deliberate claims of 'toxicity' from so many of the figureheads pushing for BoM's isolation carries enough connotations. y'all aren't dumb, stop pretending otherwise.

I take you don't actually ever read BoM's server, then? Cos I do - hi Gladio - and I see the things y'all say.

I also hear about the way you treat people who are supposed to be your allies in other servers.

If you don't want the comparison to TBR and DEN, don't act like them.

[Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand]

So, going to put this question out here -again.-

What time travelling did BoM do to recruit Rose and Astrid into BoM for this action against LKE?

Everything else in this post is fine and I honestly welcome the oncoming memes and such, congratulations all around and such, but if anyone could answer this liiiitttle itty-bitty discrepancy that'd be pretty cool.

I would indeed like to know how I was recruited by BoM, when the events that lead to me resigning both occurred before I joined, and were 100% internal.

[Sincluda]

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They will never be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

Unless your definition of blacklisting is the absolute strictest definition possible (see: Genua, and to a slightly lesser extent, Sanctum), this is blacklisting, and important blacklisting due to the power and size of the regions who have blacklisted BoM.

No, blacklisting is OOC. This is entirely IC, completely different. Fascists are something else entirely.

[The Universe World]

Set aside your grating Tim-lite performance for one minute, Quebec, and maybe see how the PNGs and bans are a replacement for blacklisting because the PNGs and bans have no fucking merit outside of just pushing Malice away.

Maybe Malice should think against engaging in direct hostilities against Independents, if they don't want to be unwelcome in Independent Regions.

It's really not rocket science.

Both of these regions are defender-leaning independents. Just wanted to add that.

[Madjack]

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They will never be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

Unless your definition of blacklisting is the absolute strictest definition possible (see: Genua, and to a slightly lesser extent, Sanctum), this is blacklisting, and important blacklisting due to the power and size of the regions who have blacklisted BoM.

Stop co-opting the term blacklist for your weird agenda lol. Blacklisting is a tool used against people who are engaged in OOC bad behaviour - something no one on our side has actually accused anyone in BoM of doing.

[Ikania]

First of all, I am absolutely honored to be placed on a list with Tim, MJ, and NES in terms of influence.

Secondly, no, in-character PNGs and bans are not blacklisting. They never will be blacklisting. Malice wants to antagonize the world? They've earned the war, and I look forward to giving them a bit of a nudge in terms of their inevitable and complete collapse.

Set aside your grating Tim-lite performance for one minute, Quebec, and maybe see how the PNGs and bans are a replacement for blacklisting because the PNGs and bans have no fucking merit outside of just pushing Malice away.

... that's the point, isn't it? To push Malice away. That's how things have always been done. If these people were getting blacklisted, there would be administrative bans, and players rushing to tell noobs not to interact with them. We wouldn't even be able to say what they did on the forum, you know, like with Unibot. If Malice and other raiders were blacklisted, oh boy, we'd know. Do you know how long we whined about wanting Block to get DOS'd? Of course you do, you were there. The Invaders were toxicity incarnate and we treated them like it. What is happening here is an in-game move by some regions to solidify their R/D leanings and clearly define who they do and do not want to work with. Of course there's going to be friction. That doesn't amount to blacklisting, and I think your over-the-top theatrics is exaggerating the reality at best.

Let's be clear, here. Blacklisting is a serious thing that happens to players and regions guilty of grave, out-of-game violations or, sometimes, in-game tolerance of fascists. It's not a term that should be thrown around lightly, especially in reference to IC actions that are nothing especially new in gameplay history. Let's keep the rhetoric within those bounds, alright?

[Tim-Opolis]

Maybe Malice should think against engaging in direct hostilities against Independents, if they don't want to be unwelcome in Independent Regions.

It's really not rocket science.

Both of these regions are defender-leaning independents. Just wanted to add that.

You need to get your vision checked if you see Europeia or The North Pacific as "defender-leaning", as much as I do appreciate the opportunities we've had to cooperate with them recently.

[The Universe World]

Unless your definition of blacklisting is the absolute strictest definition possible (see: Genua, and to a slightly lesser extent, Sanctum), this is blacklisting, and important blacklisting due to the power and size of the regions who have blacklisted BoM.

No, blacklisting is OOC. This is entirely IC, completely different. Fascists are something else entirely.

How is this solely IC? This is a direct attack against the players dressed in legalese.

oh please. the deliberate claims of 'toxicity' from so many of the figureheads pushing for BoM's isolation carries enough connotations. y'all aren't dumb, stop pretending otherwise.

I take you don't actually ever read BoM's server, then? Cos I do - hi Gladio - and I see the things y'all say.

I also hear about the way you treat people who are supposed to be your allies in other servers.

If you don't want the comparison to TBR and DEN, don't act like them.

Assuming you mean the public server that anyone can access, you are lying through your teeth. If you are not referring to that server, than I am sorry.

[Dawn Denac]

So, going to put this question out here -again.-

What time travelling did BoM do to recruit Rose and Astrid into BoM for this action against LKE?

Everything else in this post is fine and I honestly welcome the oncoming memes and such, congratulations all around and such, but if anyone could answer this liiiitttle itty-bitty discrepancy that'd be pretty cool.

I would indeed like to know how I was recruited by BoM, when the events that lead to me resigning both occurred before I joined, and were 100% internal.

This is wild, but I'm going to guess everyone is going to ignore this because there's literally no basis or evidence.

[Madjack]

I take you don't actually ever read BoM's server, then? Cos I do - hi Gladio - and I see the things y'all say.

I also hear about the way you treat people who are supposed to be your allies in other servers.

If you don't want the comparison to TBR and DEN, don't act like them.

Assuming you mean the public server that anyone can access, you are lying through your teeth.

Oh if only you knew.

[The Universe World]

Both of these regions are defender-leaning independents. Just wanted to add that.

You need to get your vision checked if you see Europeia or The North Pacific as "defender-leaning", as much as I do appreciate the opportunities we've had to cooperate with them recently.

I’m referring to The League and Europeia. I am not well-versed in TNP which is why I have neglected to mention them. So I am halfway accurate, I guess.

Unless your definition of blacklisting is the absolute strictest definition possible (see: Genua, and to a slightly lesser extent, Sanctum), this is blacklisting, and important blacklisting due to the power and size of the regions who have blacklisted BoM.

Stop co-opting the term blacklist for your weird agenda lol. Blacklisting is a tool used against people who are engaged in OOC bad behaviour - something no one on our side has actually accused anyone in BoM of doing.

I have no agenda, but I will drop the blacklisting argument as it is more complex than I originally thought and thus outside of my knowledge.

[Dominion of Acielon]

So, going to put this question out here -again.-

What time travelling did BoM do to recruit Rose and Astrid into BoM for this action against LKE?

Everything else in this post is fine and I honestly welcome the oncoming memes and such, congratulations all around and such, but if anyone could answer this liiiitttle itty-bitty discrepancy that'd be pretty cool.

This may be the first time I show myself in these Forums but I would like to know that too.

[RiderSyl]

Set aside your grating Tim-lite performance for one minute, Quebec, and maybe see how the PNGs and bans are a replacement for blacklisting because the PNGs and bans have no fucking merit outside of just pushing Malice away.

Maybe Malice should think against engaging in direct hostilities against Independents, if they don't want to be unwelcome in Independent Regions.

It's really not rocket science.

Tim, your ability to conveniently ignore entire portions of the problem at hand is unrivaled.

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I'm going to keep this as brief as possible so as to ensure this government is speaking with its clearest voice.

Since the beginnings of NationStates, the actions of those who are loyal to extremist military gameplay ideologies instead of regions have diminished communities. That is true of moralist defenders and it is true of the adherents of raider unity. One is cosplaying as a white knight and the other a black hat but underneath they mirror each other in their motivations as well as in the toxicity and damage they leave behind. These movements exist to consolidate power and influence among of a group of elite players, to subvert and dominate any community or entity that can advance their interests at any cost.


In Europeia, we do not condone the infiltration, subversion, or threatening of our allies and partners. I hereby declare the players known as Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand and Astrid Weisberg Talleyrand personae non gratae. These individuals have undermined the laws of The Land of Kings and Emperors, our historic ally, and used their offices there for personal gain, supported by the Brotherhood of Malice. This breach of sovereignty as well as those that have preceded it and those that will assuredly follow it will not be forgiven, forgotten, or unanswered.

The above has nothing to do with direct hostilities. It's just weird bullshit.

Stop co-opting the term blacklist for your weird agenda lol. Blacklisting is a tool used against people who are engaged in OOC bad behaviour - something no one on our side has actually accused anyone in BoM of doing.

Okay, Madjack, honestly, when the idea of "If we blacklist them but just use IC excuses every time" came knocking, did you really think we'd all be so stupid as to NOT recognize what the fuck was really going on?

It's not a term that should be thrown around lightly, especially in reference to IC actions that are nothing especially new in gameplay history. Let's keep the rhetoric within those bounds, alright?

Or was this above the depended response if we called it out? "Don't throw it around lightly". Oh, but when it's comparing Malice to TBR/DEN, that can be thrown around as light as a feather because it's meant "in-character".

This is clearly bullshit.

[Spode Humbled Minions]

You need to get your vision checked if you see Europeia or The North Pacific as "defender-leaning", as much as I do appreciate the opportunities we've had to cooperate with them recently.

I’m referring to The League and Europeia. So I am halfway accurate, I guess.

The League is defender, not indie.