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by Malphe II » Thu Mar 31, 2022 4:38 am
RiderSyl wrote:Malphe II wrote:MJ booped me to say he meant the generally cavalier atmosphere in the public server, so doesn't ostensibly appear to be intended as an accusation of anything OOC?
Tell me how the hell that response to you jives with this response to me earlier:Madjack wrote:If some of the things that have happened ever actually come out, I hope you remember this post, and apologise.
by The Universe World » Thu Mar 31, 2022 5:52 am
Pichtonia wrote:The Universe World wrote:This is a cheap excuse so these regions can justify ignoring the existence of BoM.Malicious Souls wrote:1.) Independents declare things like that they've "lost control" of raiders or that they're "almost always going to be a defender."
2.) Independents start libbing in force, stop working with Raiders
3.) Independents start retagging raiders
4.) Raiders send diplomats
5.) Diplomats say "if you keep treating us like an enemy, then we won't respect you and your regions arbitrarily, they'll be targets."
6.) Diplomats are ignored, rejected, told "not interested" by diplomats
6.5) Leading figures in those orgs DM leading figures in ours with vague bait that maybe things will change at some mystery point in the future if we continue to treat them like allies while they diss us. Raiders call BS.
7.) Raiders.....raid.
8.) "BREAKING NEWS, RAIDER COMMIT HOSTILE ACTS OF PROVOCATION. RAIDERS BANNED. HAHA RAIDERS MAD!!!"
I assure you, we've thought this out, we've sent diplomats, we've made compromises until the only thing left to compromise on were core values to raiding, and we've been told to fuck off, repeatedly, loudly, clearly. And also made clear that they're on Onder's leash begging for headpats, to boot. It's indeed not rocket science. Independents, capital "I," made their shift and made up their minds long before we stopped trying to treat with them. We're not going to waste targets dancing around their lawn ornaments while they piss on our doormat. Our diplomatic energies are much better focused on people interested in receiving our diplomats, drafting treaties, and growing friendships.
Emphasis mine - between this and the screens that Zeorus shared, truly, how could such friendly diplomacy be rejected!
WayNeacTia wrote:Why admit to to something, when you can just deny it and release a word salad composed solely of bullshit?
by Penny Polendina » Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:00 am
Malphe II wrote:RiderSyl wrote:Tell me how the hell that response to you jives with this response to me earlier:
Apparently that's in reference to past events among BoM leadership, whatever it's actually referencing appears to have been left distressingly vague. I'd definitely urge more clarity on the character of these things, if any of it is OOC it should be communicated to regional administrators immediately.
by Madjack » Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:13 am
Penny Polendina wrote:Malphe II wrote:Apparently that's in reference to past events among BoM leadership, whatever it's actually referencing appears to have been left distressingly vague. I'd definitely urge more clarity on the character of these things, if any of it is OOC it should be communicated to regional administrators immediately.
if MJ wants to backpedal in private
by Dawn Denac » Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:53 am
by Dominion of Acielon » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:02 am
Dawn Denac wrote:You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.
If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.
by The Universe World » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:08 am
Dawn Denac wrote:You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.
If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.
WayNeacTia wrote:Why admit to to something, when you can just deny it and release a word salad composed solely of bullshit?
by Dawn Denac » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:10 am
Dominion of Acielon wrote:Dawn Denac wrote:You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.
If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.
Well. I do have a theory. I've cut all my ties with the LKE now, after Emperor Felix threatened me with banishment, if I don't express support for the BoM conspiracy narrative in the LKE Forums. There was no demand for me to state support on the NS-Forums which leads me to believe that the BoM conspiracy narrative is actually just meant to divert from malcontent possibly coming from internal issues of the LKE.
But this is only a theory of mine.
The Universe World wrote:Dawn Denac wrote:You know, I have an interesting point no one has brought up yet.
If BoM was involved in destabilizing LKE with Rose or Astrid or any other ex member, why are we denying credit for it? Just, a morbid curiosity. We raiders loooooove taking credit for our work, especially good sleeper ops. So why're we so fervently denying it if Europeia and LKE are insisting its true? I mean, you can freely see on the BoM thread about Operation Sinking Ship. We evidently will talk about what we do against Euro or TNP in the case of Stargate, but this is the one thing that we're denying. Because it's the one thing that's false, and I'm sure defenders could agree here that it doesn't quite line up if you think about it.
Very good point. The only situation in which BoM would be involved but not take credit is if they planned on “using” the exact same nations to infiltrate another region. Which obviously wouldn’t work.
by Devi » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:50 am
Madjack wrote:Penny Polendina wrote:
if MJ wants to backpedal in private
Not a backpedal, a clarification. I shouldn't have included two separate things I was talking about - the general attitude and tone of the BoM server which, whilst unpleasant, is an IC kind of unpleasantness and a few specific incidents involving individuals in BoM leadership roles - without making it much clearer than I was being, something I've now done to several people who expressed curiosity at what I meant both publicly and privately.
by All Wild Things » Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Europeian Embassy wrote:[...] That is true of moralist defenders and it is true of the adherents of raider unity. One is cosplaying as a white knight and the other a black hat but underneath they mirror each other in their motivations as well as in the toxicity and damage they leave behind. These movements exist to consolidate power and influence among of a group of elite players, to subvert and dominate any community or entity that can advance their interests at any cost. [...]
by Reventus Koth » Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:43 am
Europeian Embassy wrote:These individuals have undermined the laws of The Land of Kings and Emperors, our historic ally, and used their offices there for personal gain, supported by the Brotherhood of Malice.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by Guy » Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:59 am
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Andusre » Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:27 am
Guy wrote:I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.
HumanSanity — Today at 18:15
Yes you are a petty asshole lol
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I mean I'm sure Onder is a good enough actor to pull off gay zoomer scotsman
by RiderSyl » Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:21 am
Guy wrote:I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.
Andusre wrote:Should I ever need to explain "missing the forest for the trees", I will refer to this post.
by The Church of Satan » Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:06 pm
Guy wrote:I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.
by RiderSyl » Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:05 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:Guy wrote:I’m not sure what’s more weaksauce here, the reasoning by Europeia or the cheerleading by defenders of a statement that attacks defenders.
Perhaps it's because their statement makes LKE look even worse by virtue of making Europeia look like yet another puppet state of Onder. Since you are a defender too, you know it gives us all the warm fuzziest when imperialists look bad.
by The Church of Satan » Sat Apr 02, 2022 1:06 am
RiderSyl wrote:You and Guy are the first two defenders since the Euro statement to actually criticize Euro here.
by Europeian Embassy » Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:55 pm
by Malphe II » Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:45 pm
by Europeian Embassy » Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:29 am
by Quebecshire » Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:47 am
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by A Bloodred Moon » Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:08 am
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