[DEFEATED] Liberate Moon (by Horo/Ever-Wandering Souls)

[Snow And Ice Caps]

I’m confused as to what the fuck is going on here. Someone explain?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I’m confused as to what the fuck is going on here. Someone explain?

There's really not much to discuss? I'm not surprised it's getting to quorum, but it's a resolution written by a raider to showcase their operation and piling power. It won't pass at vote.

I can't wait to ban all of the natives and refound the region

[The Castle of Dark Illusions]

I’m confused as to what the fuck is going on here. Someone explain?

Raider-chan is mad that Fenda-senpai hasn't noticed them.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I’m confused as to what the fuck is going on here. Someone explain?

Raider-chan is mad that Fenda-senpai hasn't noticed them.

it is a sign of raiding's desire to continually prop itself up with propaganda and self-congratulatory low-value victories to keep its hype train going

It's a sign that we're going to ban every native and refound the region

[The Universe World]

For/support. I am throwing my vote away, but I cannot watch seven natives see their region get destroyed without doing at least one thing.

[Funkadelia]

I can't wait to ban all of the natives and refound the region

Defenders are really so apathetic that they're not even gonna try to stall a refound and ejection of an archaic native, much less actually try to lib, and they'll also give a big thumbs up as the wider-anti-raider-clique shoots down an at-vote lib out of spite, huh? Couldn't even be assed to get the usual defender-written boilerplate SC lib submitted.

What's the excuse this time? Natives not active enough to qualify for defending services? Pile to big for regions with cumulative endos-on-delegate in the multiple thousands to liberate? Eaiser to just agendapost about how raiding is failing despite your own liberation attempts grow more flaccid with each passing week?

How do the aspiring trainees and moralists feel about the total breakdown of defending to the point that leadership is just telling them at a lib won't even be attempted, and an SC lib will actually be blocked, on an innocent little native region?

Every once in a while I come back and read what’s going on. This post brought me completely up to speed in just a few paragraphs. It also made me laugh. God bless and keep up the good work.

[WayNeacTia]

What’s the excuse this time?

Too busy trying to repeal condemns and back pat themselves with badges. Yet somehow it is raiders that are toxic who are trying to destroy the game.

[Tiber and Rione]

For/support. I am throwing my vote away, but I cannot watch seven natives see their region get destroyed without doing at least one thing.

You can't bear to watch it, but the defenders seem like they can

[The Universe World]

For/support. I am throwing my vote away, but I cannot watch seven natives see their region get destroyed without doing at least one thing.

You can't bear to watch it, but the defenders seem like they can

I am pro-native first and pro-defender second, even if this means going against my commanders wishes. Unfortunately, mainstream defenderdom now cares more about beating raiders than helping and protecting natives.

[The Orwell Society]

You can't bear to watch it, but the defenders seem like they can

I am pro-native first and pro-defender second, even if this means going against my commanders wishes. Unfortunately, mainstream defenderdom now cares more about beating raiders than helping and protecting natives.

…as they should be. I mean, doesn't this just encourage the natives (if they're even active enough to care) to move to a better region? Plus, this is literally written by a raider. It's an ego-boost if I ever saw it, just a ploy to draw attention to the raider's newest invasion, therefore increasing their reputation.

[WayNeacTia]

It's an ego-boost if I ever saw it, just a ploy to draw attention to the raider's newest invasion, therefore increasing their reputation.

That is virtually the point of every raid, unless it is political or ideological.

[Gronsted]

"Welcome to NationStates!

WE offer vast freedoms in our communites (as long as you aren't disagreeing with us)!
If you want to roleplay, exchange issues or just want to chat, feel at home (as long as you obey us)!
WE condemn fascism and racism (but cooperate with turkic ultranationalists and radical islamists)!
WE are democratic (as long as the majority is on our side)!"

Welcome to a game going down in leftist tyranny and insanity.
What you seed you will earn. And that will be a VERY painful fruit of you action, as soon as reality hits you again.
But who am I telling that, you are betraying yourself and your "ideals" on a daily basis.
You condemn us yet cooperate with even worse people than us. The only thing that keeps you afloat is tyranny.

[The Universe World]

I am pro-native first and pro-defender second, even if this means going against my commanders wishes. Unfortunately, mainstream defenderdom now cares more about beating raiders than helping and protecting natives.

…as they should be. I mean, doesn't this just encourage the natives (if they're even active enough to care) to move to a better region? Plus, this is literally written by a raider. It's an ego-boost if I ever saw it, just a ploy to draw attention to the raider's newest invasion, therefore increasing their reputation.

Defenderdom caring more about beating raiders is extremely concerning and a clear show of how far defenderdom has fallen. We protect natives. Defending is not about “hurr durr raiders cringe amirite,” it is about saving in content natives’ regions from tyranny under the boot of invading forces.
It may be an ego-boost, but it is needed regardless.
All raids “encourage natives to move to a better region.” If we were to go by that logic than defending should not exist because the moment a region is raided, it is time for the region to throw in the towel.

[Dex]

The fact that BARK BARK some of you dislike the idea of saving Moon is beyond our BARK BARK comprehension! How!? Moon must be saved from those BAAAAARK mean large regions. I rally support behind me! Let us generate love and BARK BARK kindness.

-Minik, the Great Dex

[TheStonedSurfers]

It is not without trepidation that we read this proposal and ponder its merits. The idea that a raider would create such a document to crow about their own victory while full knowing the SC cannot act swiftly enough to defeat them or otherwise assist the natives of Moon is appalling. We steadfastly oppose raiding in all it forms, we believe that all regions should be free from the threat and fear of raiding, and that all natives should be allowed to live in peace in a region of their own design whether it be active or not. Yet we believe this proposal may well be far too late to affect any meaningful resolution of the issue it supports.

I, Noa Ohana, delegate to the World Assembly, on the Advice and Authority of the Great Council of the Surfernate of TheStonedSurfers, and representative of His Awesomeness, Kekoa I, of TheStonesSurfers Great Chief and Emperor do hereby cast Our vote in FAVOR of this bill not withstanding our belief in its utter farcical tone and its lack of ability to affect any real action for the natives of Moon.

[Reventus Koth]

It is not without trepidation that we read this proposal and ponder its merits. The idea that a raider would create such a document to crow about their own victory while full knowing the SC cannot act swiftly enough to defeat them or otherwise assist the natives of Moon is appalling. We steadfastly oppose raiding in all it forms, we believe that all regions should be free from the threat and fear of raiding, and that all natives should be allowed to live in peace in a region of their own design whether it be active or not. Yet we believe this proposal may well be far too late to affect any meaningful resolution of the issue it supports.

I, Noa Ohana, delegate to the World Assembly, on the Advice and Authority of the Great Council of the Surfernate of TheStonedSurfers, and representative of His Awesomeness, Kekoa I, of TheStonesSurfers Great Chief and Emperor do hereby cast Our vote in FAVOR of this bill not withstanding our belief in its utter farcical tone and its lack of ability to affect any real action for the natives of Moon.

Bold mine. This proposal, if passed, would make it so that we could not implement a password on Moon. This would materially harm our ability to refound the region, and the only reason it's failing is because the world has decided that they'd rather let an ancient 2003-era region be destroyed than pass a smug self-Liberation that highlights Moon's occupying forces by name.

I don't care how you vote for it, it's a win-win for raiderdom either way. That's what happens when we insert ourselves into a function that defenderdom typically executes. But don't get it twisted; if this proposal wasn't stomped into the dust by people obsessed with denying raiders any sort of recognition for their contributions to the game, it would have absolutely had a real beneficial effect on the natives of Moon. We would have been content to eject Ignignokt to break the streak and leave the region with a shiny new badge with our names on it.

Your logic for voting for the proposal is sound, and it's a shame that raiderdom's enemies couldn't put their feelings about the author and his farcical tone aside to listen to it.

[TheStonedSurfers]

It is not without trepidation that we read this proposal and ponder its merits. The idea that a raider would create such a document to crow about their own victory while full knowing the SC cannot act swiftly enough to defeat them or otherwise assist the natives of Moon is appalling. We steadfastly oppose raiding in all it forms, we believe that all regions should be free from the threat and fear of raiding, and that all natives should be allowed to live in peace in a region of their own design whether it be active or not. Yet we believe this proposal may well be far too late to affect any meaningful resolution of the issue it supports.

I, Noa Ohana, delegate to the World Assembly, on the Advice and Authority of the Great Council of the Surfernate of TheStonedSurfers, and representative of His Awesomeness, Kekoa I, of TheStonesSurfers Great Chief and Emperor do hereby cast Our vote in FAVOR of this bill not withstanding our belief in its utter farcical tone and its lack of ability to affect any real action for the natives of Moon.

Bold mine. This proposal, if passed, would make it so that we could not implement a password on Moon. This would materially harm our ability to refound the region, and the only reason it's failing is because the world has decided that they'd rather let an ancient 2003-era region be destroyed than pass a smug self-Liberation that highlights Moon's occupying forces by name.

I don't care how you vote for it, it's a win-win for raiderdom either way. That's what happens when we insert ourselves into a function that defenderdom typically executes. But don't get it twisted; if this proposal wasn't stomped into the dust by people obsessed with denying raiders any sort of recognition for their contributions to the game, it would have absolutely had a real beneficial effect on the natives of Moon. We would have been content to eject Ignignokt to break the streak and leave the region with a shiny new badge with our names on it.

Your logic for voting for the proposal is sound, and it's a shame that raiderdom's enemies couldn't put their feelings about the author and his farcical tone aside to listen to it.

The Greater Good wins out here in my statement. People will argue about whether R/D is vital to this endeavor of NationStates, but it is here and it is a thing which must be dealt with. Those who cannot be liberated for whatever reason must have the knowledge the Security Council can, and will, work to help them. Sadly, as you have mentioned, most of those voting against this motion have ignored 'The Greater Good.'

[RPRA Techcorp]

-snip-

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[Katganistan]

"Welcome to NationStates!

WE offer vast freedoms in our communites (as long as you aren't disagreeing with us)!
If you want to roleplay, exchange issues or just want to chat, feel at home (as long as you obey us)!
WE condemn fascism and racism (but cooperate with turkic ultranationalists and radical islamists)!
WE are democratic (as long as the majority is on our side)!"

Welcome to a game going down in leftist tyranny and insanity.
What you seed you will earn. And that will be a VERY painful fruit of you action, as soon as reality hits you again.
But who am I telling that, you are betraying yourself and your "ideals" on a daily basis.
You condemn us yet cooperate with even worse people than us. The only thing that keeps you afloat is tyranny.

-snip-

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Back on topic, please. Which is the liberation of Moon, not the political leanings of the site nor fast food.

[Magecastle Embassy Building A5]

"Liberate Moon" was defeated 12,982 votes to 3,487.

[This Hammer Bans Natives]

We will soon ban every single native and refound the region

[WayNeacTia]

-snip-

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

What the hell did Moon do to piss off nazis?

I don't care how you vote for it, it's a win-win for raiderdom either way. That's what happens when we insert ourselves into a function that defenderdom typically executes. But don't get it twisted; if this proposal wasn't stomped into the dust by people obsessed with denying raiders any sort of recognition for their contributions to the game, it would have absolutely had a real beneficial effect on the natives of Moon. We would have been content to eject Ignignokt to break the streak and leave the region with a shiny new badge with our names on it.

Taking bets on how long it is going to be until a member of Libcord decides to submit a liberation of the region, which will of course pass by a resounding margin.....

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Taking bets on how long it is going to be until a member of Libcord decides to submit a liberation of the region, which will of course pass by a resounding margin.....

Actually, thanks to them prioritizing going after my Condemnation, the repeal of which goes to vote at major - they won't have time to now. Quite literally prioritizing meaningless badges over preventing the refound of Moon. Hah.

[WayNeacTia]

Taking bets on how long it is going to be until a member of Libcord decides to submit a liberation of the region, which will of course pass by a resounding margin.....

Actually, thanks to them prioritizing going after my Condemnation, the repeal of which goes to vote at major - they won't have time to now. Quite literally prioritizing meaningless badges over preventing the refound of Moon. Hah.

This new wave of defenders are an interesting bunch. At least real defenders were predictable.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I can't wait to ban all of the natives and refound the region

"Liberate Moon" was defeated 12,982 votes to 3,487.

Epilogue: All natives were banned and the Moon has been refounded by raiders. Thank you to the Security Council for not Liberating the region, therefore enabling this.