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Racial Disparity in School Suspensions

Postby Utvara » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:10 pm

NY Times wrote:In many of the nation’s middle schools, black boys were nearly three times as likely to be suspended as white boys, according to a new study, which also found that black girls were suspended at four times the rate of white girls.

School authorities also suspended Hispanic and American Indian middle school students at higher rates than white students, though not at such disproportionate rates as for black children, the study found. Asian students were less likely to be suspended than whites.

The study analyzed four decades of federal Department of Education data on suspensions, with a special focus on figures from 2002 and 2006, that were drawn from 9,220 of the nation’s 16,000 public middle schools.

The study, “Suspended Education: Urban Middle Schools in Crisis,” was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit civil rights organization.

The co-authors, Daniel J. Losen, a senior associate at the Civil Rights Project at the University of California, Los Angeles, and Russell Skiba, a professor at Indiana University, said they focused on suspensions from middle schools because recent research had shown that students’ middle school experience was crucial for determining future academic success.

One recent study of 400 incarcerated high school freshmen in Baltimore found that two-thirds had been suspended at least once in middle school.

Federal law requires schools to expel students for weapons possession and incidents involving the most serious safety issues. The authors said they focused on suspensions, which often result from fighting, abusive language and classroom disruptions, because they were a measure that school administrators can apply at their discretion.

Throughout America’s public schools, in kindergarten through high school, the percent of students suspended each year nearly doubled from the early 1970s through 2006, the authors said, an increase that they associate, in part, with the rise of so-called zero-tolerance school discipline policies.

In 1973, on average, 3.7 percent of public school students of all races were suspended at least once. By 2006, that percentage had risen to 6.9 percent.

Both in 1973 and in 2006, black students were suspended at higher rates than whites, but over that period, the gap increased. In 1973, 6 percent of all black students were suspended. In 2006, 15 percent of all blacks were suspended.

Among the students attending one of the 9,220 middle schools in the study sample, 28 percent of black boys and 18 percent of black girls, compared with 10 percent of white boys and 4 percent of white girls, were suspended in 2006, the study found.

The researchers found wide disparities in suspension rates among different city school systems and even among middle schools in the same district.

Using the federal data, they calculated suspension rates for middle school students, broken down by race, in 18 large urban districts.

Two districts showed especially high rates. In Palm Beach County, Fla., and Milwaukee, more than 50 percent of black male middle school students were suspended at least once in 2006, the study showed.

Jennie Dorsey, director of family services in the Milwaukee district, said the district had recognized that its suspension rate was too high and had begun a program aimed at changing students’ behavior without suspensions.

The program has brought only modest reductions in the suspension rate so far, but Ms. Dorsey predicted sharper reductions over several years.

Nat Harrington, a spokesman for the Palm Beach County district, disputed the study’s statistics, but acknowledged that “all the data show an unacceptably high number of black students being suspended.” He said the district was using several strategies to reduce suspensions.


Hardly surprising, but totally unacceptable nonetheless.
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Postby Yootwopia » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:12 pm

I don't see why your skin colour ought to let you off if you break the rules.
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Postby Zephie » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:13 pm

How is this unacceptable? So black kids get in more trouble than white kids. How is that discrimination? I doubt it goes like this.

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Mr. Bob: You're being suspended for being black.
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Uh what are you talking about?
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Postby Yootwopia » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:15 pm

The same thing as you, Zephie.
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Postby Bydlostan (Ancient) » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:16 pm

rules are racist.

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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:16 pm

So the reason is discrimination as opposed to the higher rate of rule breaking that is the absolute first thing one can infer from this? :eyebrow:
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Postby Zephie » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:18 pm

Yootwopia wrote:The same thing as you, Zephie.


It's a logical fallacy that it's racially driven if more Black and Hispanic kids get disciplined than White kids and Asian kids. If the politically correct brigade had it their way, there would be discipline quotas. 25% of Blacks get suspended 25% of Whites get suspended, 25% of Hispanics get suspended, and 25% of Asians get suspended. Oh the stupidity.

It's the urban black culture that is most likely to blame for their behavior. Same with the hispanic students. I'm sure the Asian students get in the least amount of trouble because they are more disciplined by their family.

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:So the reason is discrimination as opposed to the higher rate of rule breaking that is the absolute first thing one can infer from this? :eyebrow:

What else could you expect from the type of people that see only races, not people?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:20 pm

Don't see why skin color is an issue. You break the rules; you get punished.
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Postby Zephie » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:21 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Don't see why skin color is an issue. You break the rules; you get punished.

Don't you know silly bean? Unless every race in America has an equal amount of the wealth, an equal amount of the crimes, and an equal amount of everything - it's racist!
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Postby Utvara » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:22 pm

And why do black children break more rules than white children? It's because, nationwide, they're monkeys with no sense of social order! Right? Right? Right....?

... no? Then perhaps... there could be some sort of... racial inequality in this country?
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:22 pm

Utvara wrote:
NY Times wrote:In many of the nation’s middle schools, black boys were nearly three times as likely to be suspended as white boys, according to a new study, which also found that black girls were suspended at four times the rate of white girls.

School authorities also suspended Hispanic and American Indian middle school students at higher rates than white students, though not at such disproportionate rates as for black children, the study found. Asian students were less likely to be suspended than whites.

The study analyzed four decades of federal Department of Education data on suspensions, with a special focus on figures from 2002 and 2006, that were drawn from 9,220 of the nation’s 16,000 public middle schools.

The study, “Suspended Education: Urban Middle Schools in Crisis,” was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit civil rights organization.

The co-authors, Daniel J. Losen, a senior associate at the Civil Rights Project at the University of California, Los Angeles, and Russell Skiba, a professor at Indiana University, said they focused on suspensions from middle schools because recent research had shown that students’ middle school experience was crucial for determining future academic success.

One recent study of 400 incarcerated high school freshmen in Baltimore found that two-thirds had been suspended at least once in middle school.

Federal law requires schools to expel students for weapons possession and incidents involving the most serious safety issues. The authors said they focused on suspensions, which often result from fighting, abusive language and classroom disruptions, because they were a measure that school administrators can apply at their discretion.

Throughout America’s public schools, in kindergarten through high school, the percent of students suspended each year nearly doubled from the early 1970s through 2006, the authors said, an increase that they associate, in part, with the rise of so-called zero-tolerance school discipline policies.

In 1973, on average, 3.7 percent of public school students of all races were suspended at least once. By 2006, that percentage had risen to 6.9 percent.

Both in 1973 and in 2006, black students were suspended at higher rates than whites, but over that period, the gap increased. In 1973, 6 percent of all black students were suspended. In 2006, 15 percent of all blacks were suspended.

Among the students attending one of the 9,220 middle schools in the study sample, 28 percent of black boys and 18 percent of black girls, compared with 10 percent of white boys and 4 percent of white girls, were suspended in 2006, the study found.

The researchers found wide disparities in suspension rates among different city school systems and even among middle schools in the same district.

Using the federal data, they calculated suspension rates for middle school students, broken down by race, in 18 large urban districts.

Two districts showed especially high rates. In Palm Beach County, Fla., and Milwaukee, more than 50 percent of black male middle school students were suspended at least once in 2006, the study showed.

Jennie Dorsey, director of family services in the Milwaukee district, said the district had recognized that its suspension rate was too high and had begun a program aimed at changing students’ behavior without suspensions.

The program has brought only modest reductions in the suspension rate so far, but Ms. Dorsey predicted sharper reductions over several years.

Nat Harrington, a spokesman for the Palm Beach County district, disputed the study’s statistics, but acknowledged that “all the data show an unacceptably high number of black students being suspended.” He said the district was using several strategies to reduce suspensions.


Hardly surprising, but totally unacceptable nonetheless.

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Postby Zephie » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:24 pm

Utvara wrote:And why do black children break more rules than white children? It's because, nationwide, they're monkeys with no sense of social order! Right? Right? Right....?

... no? Then perhaps... there could be some sort of... racial inequality in this country?

"In 1999, according to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, 33.1 percent of black children lived in poverty compared with 13.5 percent of white children."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... erty-rates


There's a correlation between poverty and crime. More blacks are in poverty, therefore more blacks are likely to commit crimes. It's simple as that, really.
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Postby Utvara » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:26 pm

Zephie wrote:
Utvara wrote:And why do black children break more rules than white children? It's because, nationwide, they're monkeys with no sense of social order! Right? Right? Right....?

... no? Then perhaps... there could be some sort of... racial inequality in this country?

"In 1999, according to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, 33.1 percent of black children lived in poverty compared with 13.5 percent of white children."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... erty-rates


There's a correlation between poverty and crime. More blacks are in poverty, therefore more blacks are likely to commit crimes. It's simple as that, really.


Why are they overwhelmingly more poor, again?

(And, really, is it so hard to imagine white school administrators giving harsher punishments to black students versus white students?)
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Postby Call to power » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:26 pm

the fact that its both blacks and Hispanics shows something


we need to kill the poor.
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Postby Bydlostan (Ancient) » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:27 pm

They should just punish whites kids more and black kids less. The whites killed all those people in Hiroshima and enslaved the blacks.Blacks are oppressed minorities and their so-called misbehavior is simply an expression of class warfare that should be accepted and encouraged.

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Postby Call to power » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:28 pm

Utvara wrote:Why are they overwhelmingly more poor, again?


because minorities where second class citizens up until the 80's and the sort of demographic change needed to fix this is slow but results are appearing

Utvara wrote:(And, really, is it so hard to imagine white school administrators giving harsher punishments to black students versus white students?)


yes.
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Bydlostan wrote:They should just punish whites kids more and black kids less. The whites killed all those people in Hiroshima and enslaved the blacks.Blacks are oppressed minorities and their so-called misbehavior is simply an expression of class warfare that should be accepted and encouraged.

So a black man kills a white man, and doesn't get punished for it, and when a white man calls the black man a name, he gets jail for life?

Yes, it was taken to the extreme, but only to show how completely illogical your argument is.
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Call to power wrote:the fact that its both blacks and Hispanics shows something


we need to kill the poor.


Like enlisting them in the military and shipping them off to Iraq/Afghanistan?
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Postby Zephie » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:29 pm

Utvara wrote:
Zephie wrote:"In 1999, according to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, 33.1 percent of black children lived in poverty compared with 13.5 percent of white children."
http://www.heritage.org/research/report ... erty-rates


There's a correlation between poverty and crime. More blacks are in poverty, therefore more blacks are likely to commit crimes. It's simple as that, really.


Why are they overwhelmingly more poor, again?

(And, really, is it so hard to imagine white school administrators giving harsher punishments to black students versus white students?)

There's 3x as many poor black children than poor white children, and the black children get in trouble 3x as much as the white children. That my friend, is a correlation. I would say them being poor is a combination of their shitty start in the country, and the culture they created for themselves that appears to me to be self-destructive.
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Postby Bydlostan (Ancient) » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:35 pm

Malikov wrote:
Bydlostan wrote:They should just punish whites kids more and black kids less. The whites killed all those people in Hiroshima and enslaved the blacks.Blacks are oppressed minorities and their so-called misbehavior is simply an expression of class warfare that should be accepted and encouraged.

So a black man kills a white man, and doesn't get punished for it, and when a white man calls the black man a name, he gets jail for life?

Yes, it was taken to the extreme, but only to show how completely illogical your argument is.


No, its to achieve diversity and equality.

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Malikov wrote:So a black man kills a white man, and doesn't get punished for it, and when a white man calls the black man a name, he gets jail for life?

Yes, it was taken to the extreme, but only to show how completely illogical your argument is.


No, its to achieve diversity and equality.

A lot of people have a fucked up definition of equality.
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Postby Utvara » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:35 pm

Zephie wrote:
Utvara wrote:
Why are they overwhelmingly more poor, again?

(And, really, is it so hard to imagine white school administrators giving harsher punishments to black students versus white students?)

There's 3x as many poor black children than poor white children, and the black children get in trouble 3x as much as the white children. That my friend, is a correlation. I would say them being poor is a combination of their shitty start in the country, and the culture they created for themselves that appears to me to be self-destructive.


"They" created for "themselves". Right.
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Postby Drinent » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:36 pm

If black children don't have the discipline to do right in school, then obviously the will be punished more, same with any other race. This is the most wasted amount of time spent on research ever, is not even discrimination or has to deal with civil rights in any way. Some of the people in America are just ridiculous and stupid.

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Postby Zephie » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:36 pm

Utvara wrote:
Zephie wrote:There's 3x as many poor black children than poor white children, and the black children get in trouble 3x as much as the white children. That my friend, is a correlation. I would say them being poor is a combination of their shitty start in the country, and the culture they created for themselves that appears to me to be self-destructive.


"They" created for "themselves". Right.

If they want to be better off they need to take the initiative, not blame everybody else for their plight. I have a lot of black friends and know a lot of black people who live very well, have good jobs, a nice family, etc. I never heard them once blaming everybody but themselves for their problems.
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Postby Malikov » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:37 pm

Bydlostan wrote:
Malikov wrote:So a black man kills a white man, and doesn't get punished for it, and when a white man calls the black man a name, he gets jail for life?

Yes, it was taken to the extreme, but only to show how completely illogical your argument is.


No, its to achieve diversity and equality.

Yes, because diversity and equality are acheived through racism. :palm:
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