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What is your religion?

Wiccan/Neo-Wiccan
4
1%
Neo-Druidic
7
3%
Heathen (Norse/Germanic)
30
11%
Hellenic or Roman Polytheist
15
5%
Celtic Polytheist
11
4%
Kemetic (Egyptian)
8
3%
Other pagan
34
12%
Non-pagan religion
85
31%
Irreligious
80
29%
 
Total votes : 274

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Postby Meryuma » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:15 pm

Religious discussion threads are a mainstay of NSG, but some religious communities are rarely discussed here. One, in particular, appeals to me very much, is rarely mentioned here and hasn't had its own generalized thread for a long time. In that spirit, I welcome all to the Pagan Discussion Thread! This is a place for constructive discussion of polytheist, animist and earth-based spiritual traditions for anyone who wants to talk about that sort of thing.

As for me personally? Well, I was a Neo-Wiccan (i.e. solitary and eclectic) for a couple years in my early adolescence, but it didn't stick. Much of the imagery appealed to me but I often couldn't be arsed to do the rituals and my growing interest in logic and philosophy kinda overturned it. I became a "pandeist", a Taoist (sorta) and then an agnostic atheist vaguely interested in Taoism and the occult. However, lately I've been exploring polytheistic paths and I've completely fallen in love. The Norse pantheon really appeals to me, as do many aspects of the Hellenic. I've set up an altar in my room with imagery of the world tree, Yggdrasil, and I often consider setting up a Dionysian altar as well. I lean towards "hard polytheism" but remain agnostic. And yes, I am still interested in Taoist philosophy as well (Tao precedes the gods). Pagan religions tend to be far less exclusivist. There may be hundreds of gods in the world, and differences of opinion aren't just tolerated; they're encouraged! To quote the Icelandic pagan high priest, Hilmar Ölm Hilmarsson: "Monotheism is one truth for the masses; polytheism is many truths for the individual."

(btw I don't think I've ever made a poll on any of my previous topics... Questions and suggestions welcome!)
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Postby Thurses » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:18 pm

I'm a Thursatruar (worship of the Thursar, Jotunn). Basically Norse satanism if you really want to know.
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Postby Unified Heartless States » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:21 pm

I like how this thread was created just days after someone who considered himself "spiritual" shot-up a collage, :clap:

Though, anyway, I was under the impression that "pagan" was a christian term used to label anything that does not have it's roots in judaism or christianity.

So Hinduism would also be pagan. . . Or is my definition wrong?

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Postby Meryuma » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:51 pm

Thurses wrote:I'm a Thursatruar (worship of the Thursar, Jotunn). Basically Norse satanism if you really want to know.


Out of curiosity, are you the same guy as that other Thursatruar, or that other other Thursatruar? There are like 3 or 4 Thursatruar nations here and I can't tell if they're puppets.

Unified Heartless States wrote:I like how this thread was created just days after someone who considered himself "spiritual" shot-up a collage, :clap:

Though, anyway, I was under the impression that "pagan" was a christian term used to label anything that does not have it's roots in judaism or christianity.

So Hinduism would also be pagan. . . Or is my definition wrong?


"Pagan" usually means a type of religion that acknowledges multiple deities, especially ones that are immanent and manifest in nature. Hinduism is sometimes considered pagan, though it is also a Dharmic religion. Some Hindus consider themselves pagan, but I don't think most do. In my opinion, all polytheisms are spiritual cousins and allies, including polytheistic Hinduism, Voodoo and Shinto.

Also, I thought of the idea for this thread a month or two ago, and it was actually the thread about the animal sacrificing senatorial candidate that pushed me to finally make it.
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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Postby Thurses » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:53 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Thurses wrote:I'm a Thursatruar (worship of the Thursar, Jotunn). Basically Norse satanism if you really want to know.


Out of curiosity, are you the same guy as that other Thursatruar, or that other other Thursatruar? There are like 3 or 4 Thursatruar nations here and I can't tell if they're puppets.

Unified Heartless States wrote:I like how this thread was created just days after someone who considered himself "spiritual" shot-up a collage, :clap:

Though, anyway, I was under the impression that "pagan" was a christian term used to label anything that does not have it's roots in judaism or christianity.

So Hinduism would also be pagan. . . Or is my definition wrong?


"Pagan" usually means a type of religion that acknowledges multiple deities, especially ones that are immanent and manifest in nature. Hinduism is sometimes considered pagan, though it is also a Dharmic religion. Some Hindus consider themselves pagan, but I don't think most do. In my opinion, all polytheisms are spiritual cousins and allies, including polytheistic Hinduism, Voodoo and Shinto.

No, because my version is fused with LaVeyan philosophy and heathendom.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:54 pm

Unified Heartless States wrote:I like how this thread was created just days after someone who considered himself "spiritual" shot-up a collage, :clap:

Though, anyway, I was under the impression that "pagan" was a christian term used to label anything that does not have it's roots in judaism or christianity.

So Hinduism would also be pagan. . . Or is my definition wrong?


Its not entirely clear but apparently Paganus was a Latin slang term for "country dweller" or "yokel" (also in military jargon "an unskilled fighter") but it took on religious connotations in the 4th century. Some people like to reclaim the rustic heritage of Paganus in order to bring them back to nature.

As for me while I can't decide if I'm a panentheist or a henotheist my focus is the ancestral atua of Polynesian tradition, although probably informed by neo-paganism too

Oh and there have actually been 3 of these "Are you a Pagan" threads on NSG in the past 6 months
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:58 pm

Atheist, though I do quite like the Roman pantheon.
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Postby Olivaero » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:08 pm

I'm mainly Hellenistic in my paganism I honour Dionysus mainly I do respect other paths and I am open to some eclectic interpretations of paganism as a whole which my hellenism fits in to I'm part of a wider grove which that fits in to so I guess I'm also Neo Wiccan and eclectic myself.
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:16 pm

Cetacea wrote:Oh and there have actually been 3 of these "Are you a Pagan" threads on NSG in the past 6 months


Huh, must've missed those, or misremembered how long ago it was.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Atheist, though I do quite like the Roman pantheon.


"Cultural paganism" is aight too.

Olivaero wrote:I'm mainly Hellenistic in my paganism I honour Dionysus mainly I do respect other paths and I am open to some eclectic interpretations of paganism as a whole which my hellenism fits in to I'm part of a wider grove which that fits in to so I guess I'm also Neo Wiccan and eclectic myself.


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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Postby HanFei6 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:21 pm

Trinitarian but besides Taoism I've also studied Zoroastrianism. But didn't find it did as much for me. I am a fan of old religions but haven't had the time to take up the study of an additional one.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:23 pm

I was raised Christian, but once I abandoned that (and organized religion altogether) I essentially drifted into pandeism or pantheism (depending on my mood), which is what I've essentially maintained for the past several years.

However, I've always been extremely interested in paganism, and loved studying the Norse gods as a child. I've looked into Ásatrú several times over the past couple years, but haven't ever officially decided to identify as a "believer," if you could call it that. Recently, I've gotten back into it, and have been skimming through information on heathenry and the like, with the thought that it might just be for me.

*shrugs* But I don't know. We'll see as time progresses.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:23 pm

Thurses wrote:I'm a Thursatruar (worship of the Thursar, Jotunn). Basically Norse satanism if you really want to know.

That's... really cool.
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:24 pm

I don't have a religion, nor do I believe there is a god or gods (though there are a few pantheons out there that are very mythologically interesting), but when pressed, I describe myself as agnostic atheist with animistic leanings, because of some experiences I can't rationalize away. (And that's fairly annoying, since I would like to "believe" in science being able to explain everything, but currently it can't.) So I self-class my beliefs as paganism, in the way the word is usually understood, not by a dictionary definition.
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:38 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I was raised Christian, but once I abandoned that (and organized religion altogether) I essentially drifted into pandeism or pantheism (depending on my mood), which is what I've essentially maintained for the past several years.

However, I've always been extremely interested in paganism, and loved studying the Norse gods as a child. I've looked into Ásatrú several times over the past couple years, but haven't ever officially decided to identify as a "believer," if you could call it that. Recently, I've gotten back into it, and have been skimming through information on heathenry and the like, with the thought that it might just be for me.

*shrugs* But I don't know. We'll see as time progresses.


As of late, heathenry/Ásatrú has been my main religious interest. In particular, I am drawn to Oðinn the Wanderer and his blood-brother, Loki.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Thurses wrote:I'm a Thursatruar (worship of the Thursar, Jotunn). Basically Norse satanism if you really want to know.

That's... really cool.


The stories of the jotnar are pretty fascinating. The word is often translated to "giant" but it actually means "eater" or "devourer". They range from earth mothers and sea gods to enormous wolves and dragons who seek to annihilate the world.
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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Postby Cetacea » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:08 pm

Meryuma wrote:The stories of the jotnar are pretty fascinating. The word is often translated to "giant" but it actually means "eater" or "devourer". They range from earth mothers and sea gods to enormous wolves and dragons who seek to annihilate the world.


isn't Thursatru pretty much the worship of Ragnarok and the Devouring of the Cosmos?

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:11 pm

Cetacea wrote:
Meryuma wrote:The stories of the jotnar are pretty fascinating. The word is often translated to "giant" but it actually means "eater" or "devourer". They range from earth mothers and sea gods to enormous wolves and dragons who seek to annihilate the world.

isn't Thursatru pretty much the worship of Ragnarok and the Devouring of the Cosmos?

Sounds like a much more creative and adventurous nihilism. :p
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:14 pm

Not sure whether Neoplatonism would count as paganism.

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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:16 pm

Don't really see a long life to this thread, or at least not as long as the other religion threads. I started a Wiccan thread a while back and it barely got over 400 posts over five months, and after constant bumping :P

But, uh, not pagan myself. But I've nothing against people who are. I just sort of don't see the logic behind worshipping a pantheon of magical gods who undertake extremely unlikely adventures.
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:16 pm

Cetacea wrote:
Unified Heartless States wrote:I like how this thread was created just days after someone who considered himself "spiritual" shot-up a collage, :clap:

Though, anyway, I was under the impression that "pagan" was a christian term used to label anything that does not have it's roots in judaism or christianity.

So Hinduism would also be pagan. . . Or is my definition wrong?


Its not entirely clear but apparently Paganus was a Latin slang term for "country dweller" or "yokel" (also in military jargon "an unskilled fighter") but it took on religious connotations in the 4th century. Some people like to reclaim the rustic heritage of Paganus in order to bring them back to nature.

As for me while I can't decide if I'm a panentheist or a henotheist my focus is the ancestral atua of Polynesian tradition, although probably informed by neo-paganism too

Oh and there have actually been 3 of these "Are you a Pagan" threads on NSG in the past 6 months

Pagan originally meant redneck? People with "outdated or superstitious" traditional beliefs were called pagans? Holy shit, early Christians were the original urban fedora tippers.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:22 pm

The Wolven League wrote:But, uh, not pagan myself. But I've nothing against people who are. I just sort of don't see the logic behind worshipping a pantheon of magical gods who undertake extremely unlikely adventures.

I don't think the majority of pagans take their deities completely literally.
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Postby The Wolven League » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:23 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:But, uh, not pagan myself. But I've nothing against people who are. I just sort of don't see the logic behind worshipping a pantheon of magical gods who undertake extremely unlikely adventures.

I don't think the majority of pagans take their deities completely literally.

I know a lot of people take it metaphorically. Just saying my thoughts on literal, full-blown pagans who believe all of the tales of their religion actually happened.
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The Wolven League wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I don't think the majority of pagans take their deities completely literally.

I know a lot of people take it metaphorically. Just saying my thoughts on literal, full-blown pagans who believe all of the tales of their religion actually happened.

Their beliefs are literally no sillier than the Abrahamic myths, from an objective viewpoint.
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Postby Samnoreg » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:32 pm

I've always enjoyed learning about Celtic and Norse culture, but as of recent I've become interested in ásatrú and Norse religion/spirituality. However, as I am house-bound with parents of a Christian persuasion, and I conforming the persistence of my pesky agnostic tendencies, I don't think I could really be a committed ásatrúmaðr. This, and I'd rather not be associated with the unfair xenophobic/racist stigma that ásatrú carries with it (which is a real shame, many within the religion itself are wonderfully tolerant and inclusive people). It seems in this case one bad apple ruins the image of the bunch... Anyway, I guess it's not much more than a curiosity to me at the moment. :?
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Samnoreg wrote:I've always enjoyed learning about Celtic and Norse culture, but as of recent I've become interested in ásatrú and Norse religion/spirituality. However, as I am house-bound with parents of a Christian persuasion, and I conforming the persistence of my pesky agnostic tendencies, I don't think I could really be a committed ásatrúmaðr. This, and I'd rather not be associated with the unfair xenophobic/racist stigma that ásatrú carries with it (which is a real shame, many within the religion itself are wonderfully tolerant and inclusive people). It seems in this case one bad apple ruins the image of the bunch... Anyway, I guess it's not much more than a curiosity to me at the moment. :?

I wouldn't really say that stigma is a well-established stereotype or anything. So long as you don't act like a hyper-masculine neo-Nazi, I think telling people "I'm a pagan!" comes off as anything but folkish ultranationalist.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:43 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I don't think the majority of pagans take their deities completely literally.

I know a lot of people take it metaphorically. Just saying my thoughts on literal, full-blown pagans who believe all of the tales of their religion actually happened.


They did happen, they just happened metaphorically:)

or instance my only beleif system sees reality emerging in a three stage process of Essence - Form - Substance (the realms of Void- Darkness - Light). All things emerge from the void and first go through a formless 'non-existent' stage. The gods did their thing in this 'Darkness" thus birthing/establishing Patterns which now have Form but still no physical substance. Physical substance is gained in our world of Space/Time but what we experience in this physical world is only the emergent tip of an underlying 'spiritual' reality.

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