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Austria Passes New Regluations on Its Muslims

Postby Shrillland » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:05 am

From the Christian Science Monitor: http://news.yahoo.com/austrian-reform-singles-muslims-harsh-requirements-144323953.html

Austrian reform singles out Muslims for harsh new requirements
The law requires imams to preach in German, closes mosques of fewer than 300 people, and bars foreign funding of Muslim organizations. The government says it will give Islam an 'Austrian character,' but many say it is anti-Islam.
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By Robert Marquand 21 hours ago

The Austrian parliament Wednesday singled out Islam as a faith by passing a law that restricts its adherents' religious activities. The new “Law on Islam” bars outside funding of Islamic religious communities, forces small mosques to close within a year, and requires imams to preach in German.

Analysts say the law, which the parliament passed overwhelmingly, is an attempt to “Austrianize” Islam and bring more official oversight of the faith at a time when fears of radicalization are rife in Europe.

The law lays down regulation that aren't required of faiths like Christianity and Judaism. It amends a 1912 law, considered progressive at the time, that recognized Islam as an official faith.

Austrian Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz, a popular new face on the political right, has described the effort as bringing an “Islam with an Austrian character.” He denies the move is directly tied to fears of jihadi groups like Islamic State following extremist attacks in France and Denmark.

"What we want is to reduce the political influence and control from abroad and we want to give Islam the chance to develop freely within our society and in line with our common European values," Mr. Kurz told the BBC yesterday.

Austria's largest Muslim organization, IGGiO, appeared to accept the new law, Reuters reports, though many smaller groups – including IGGiO's youth arm – vocally opposed it.

Muslim nations and a variety of prominent Islamic figures also slammed the new rules as prejudicial and as stigmatizing Muslims as a collective threat. Mehmet Gormez, president of Turkish religious affairs, said that "Austria will reverse 100 years of religious freedom with its Islam bill."

An estimated six to seven percent of Austria’s population – some 500,000 people – are Muslim, many of them of Turkish descent. Islam is numerically the No. 2 faith in the capital Vienna, after Roman Catholicism.

Analysts say the new law, which will cause Austrian imams who receive support from abroad to lose their funding and potentially their visas, seeks to curtail religious exchange between the Islamic crescent and the land-locked Alpine state. Kurz, the foreign minister, has openly said that Austria wants more “control” over the development of its Muslim community.

Austrian authorities point out the bill will promote and extend an official Islam by encouraging and sanctioning new protections and affirmative aspects like Muslim imams in hospitals, and as clergy in the military.

As the law takes effect, it will require mosques with more than 300 people to register, and, according to Reuters, will require “any group claiming to represent Austrian Muslims to submit and use a standardized German translation of the Koran.”

Enes Bayraklı, professor at Istanbul's Turkish-German University, was quoted by OnIslam.net as saying the lack of equal religious treatment in the bill will increase anger and radicalism among Austria’s followers of the prophet, a reversal of the bill's purported intent:

A paranoid fear is being instilled in society. Muslims in Austria have never engaged in terrorism or extremism in Austria thus far, Bayraklı said. Taking into consideration the peaceful atmosphere in Austria, the government's purpose seems to be nothing but an engineering and social manipulation project.”

Both Austria and Switzerland have been restricting the building of mosques and minarets for nearly a decade. Yet the threat of IS has brought new attention to Muslims in Europe, as The Christian Science Monitor recently pointed out. Austrian authorities say there are an estimated 170 persons that have traveled to war-torn Syria.

Austrian right-wing groups today called the new law on Islam an insufficient measure to combat a faith they openly criticize. Reuters writes that:

...,the opposition far-right Freedom Party, which opposed the bill as too mild, attracts about 25 percent support with an anti-immigrant stance that is also highly critical of Islam. Meanwhile, the ruling Socialist and conservative parties struggle to muster a majority together.

Austria's neighbor Germany has also experienced an upsurge of anti-Islam sentiment in the form of the weekly PEGIDA protests in Dresden.

These have, however, been met with much larger anti-racism demonstrations and a robust response from Chancellor Angela Merkel, mindful of Nazi Germany's persecution of Jews, who asserted that "Islam belongs to Germany."



So NSG, what's your views on Austria's new law on Islam? And since this is a sensitive topic, please try to keep civil about it.

Anyway, my own views are that, while its understandable to try to give Islam an Austrian flavour that can keep radicalisation away, I don't think passing laws like this that single the faith out will actually do this. There are some well-meant and even okay provisions such as teaching the Qur'an in German, but closing small mosques and forcing big ones to register would get shot down in the European Court of Human Rights if anyone challenged the law. Indeed, since it singles out Muslims and doesn't ask the same things of other religious groups, the whole law would get shot down and rightly so.



EDIT: So, the Christian Science Monitor has some aspects of the law wrong apparently. I'm obliged to Draakonite for translating the bill as passed into English for us.

Here it is: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=332135&p=23684066#p23684066
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Postby Quintium » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:11 am

A wise and justified policy. I'm glad Austria is doing what the rest of us should be doing.
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Postby Calimera II » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:12 am

It is an attempt to “Austrianize” Muslims and I think that's great.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:17 am

Allowing religious ceremonies in German? Foulest heresy! Latin or eunt domus.
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Ifreann wrote:Allowing religious ceremonies in German? Foulest heresy! Latin or eunt domus.


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Postby Jetan » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:20 am

I think it's intent of assimilating the muslim population is understandable, but the hamfisted way it goes about it might have an effect opposite to the intended.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:21 am

Jetan wrote:I think it's intent of assimilating the muslim population is understandable

Only if you ascribe to the notion that different is bad.
, but the hamfisted way it goes about it might have an effect opposite to the intended.

Nah, I'm sure people aren't attached to religious freedom.
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Postby Jetan » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Jetan wrote:I think it's intent of assimilating the muslim population is understandable

Only if you ascribe to the notion that different is bad.
, but the hamfisted way it goes about it might have an effect opposite to the intended.

Nah, I'm sure people aren't attached to religious freedom.

I meant assimilation in the sense that the communities become more integrated and more integral to one another, not in the way that one group absorbs the other.
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Postby Larrylykinsland » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:24 am

This will only make the radical Muslims angrier and also harm innocent people at the same time.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:27 am

Quintium wrote:A wise and justified policy. I'm glad Austria is doing what the rest of us should be doing.

This reminds me of what someone said about America, comparing the country to a rape victim. Anyways, that law's a tad bit extreme.
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Postby Quintium » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:28 am

Ifreann wrote:Only if you ascribe to the notion that different is bad.


That depends. The Chinese are different, but good for Europe. The Hindus are different, but good for Europe.
The Muslims, though? They're different, and not good for Europe.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:28 am

Calimera II wrote:It is an attempt to “Austrianize” Muslims and I think that's great.


It is an attempt to do that, but when you guarantee equality under the law, it's important for a country to deliver on that. This law only focuses on Muslims, so it's not providing equal justice to all citizens. France was able to ban the veil in schools because they also banned other religious symbols. No such equality exists in this provision.
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Postby Scepez » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:29 am

Larrylykinsland wrote:This will only make the radical Muslims angrier and also harm innocent people at the same time.


I don't see how it will harm anyone. You live in Austria, you are an Austrian, of course you should try to fit into society and not be some hermit too arrogant to accept any change.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:29 am

Jetan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Only if you ascribe to the notion that different is bad.

Nah, I'm sure people aren't attached to religious freedom.

I meant assimilation in the sense that the communities become more integrated and more integral to one another, not in the way that one group absorbs the other.

Somehow I suspect the intent is more the latter than the former in this case.


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Quintium wrote:A wise and justified policy. I'm glad Austria is doing what the rest of us should be doing.

This reminds me of what someone said about America, comparing the country to a rape victim. Anyways, that law's a tad bit extreme.

The law is pants-on-head stupid.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:29 am

I told you so, see this is happening, next to follow would be France, Germany, Britain, and all the other European countries. The concept of religious freedom and freedom to expression do not exist in such places
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Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I told you so, see this is happening, next to follow would be France, Germany, Britain, and all the other European countries. The concept of religious freedom and freedom to expression do not exist in such places


Amusing, seeing as freedom of religion is not accepted by Islam.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:32 am

Scepez wrote:
Larrylykinsland wrote:This will only make the radical Muslims angrier and also harm innocent people at the same time.


I don't see how it will harm anyone. You live in Austria, you are an Austrian, of course you should try to fit into society and not be some hermit too arrogant to accept any change.

Imposing restrictions on people and organisations solely because they are Muslim is harm.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:I told you so, see this is happening, next to follow would be France, Germany, Britain, and all the other European countries. The concept of religious freedom and freedom to expression do not exist in such places


Amusing, seeing as freedom of religion is not accepted by Islam.

Considering that my country has the 2nd highest population of muslims there is no islamic state here , you would be wrong...

and The question is not, The state cannot curb freedom of religion, it is not allowed and ethical

But then, we are speaking of the Europe...
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Postby Scepez » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:36 am

Ifreann wrote:
Scepez wrote:
I don't see how it will harm anyone. You live in Austria, you are an Austrian, of course you should try to fit into society and not be some hermit too arrogant to accept any change.

Imposing restrictions on people and organisations solely because they are Muslim is harm.


Those restrictions aren't anything abhorrent. Mosques have to now register and use the German Quran/something. What's the big deal? German is the state language, so they all understand it. Or should anyway. It's trying to keep a safe eye without actually limiting them of doing what they do.
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Postby Busen » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:37 am

Muslim nations and a variety of prominent Islamic figures also slammed the new rules as prejudicial and as stigmatizing Muslims as a collective threat. Mehmet Gormez, president of Turkish religious affairs, said that "Austria will reverse 100 years of religious freedom with its Islam bill."

Good.

There was a similar law back in the 1880s when Austro-Hungary occupied Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1878, and guess what despite having many etnich conflicts Austro-Hungary never ever experianced an Islamic revolt in Bosnia or somewhere else within the Empire.
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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:38 am

It's time this freedom of religion nonsense was stamped out anyway. Men dressed in black/frilly frocks/strange headgear/etc going around telling people what to do because their imaginary friend told them it's right is no way for anyone in the 21st century to conduct themselves.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:39 am

Scepez wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Imposing restrictions on people and organisations solely because they are Muslim is harm.


Those restrictions aren't anything abhorrent. Mosques have to now register and use the German Quran/something. What's the big deal? German is the state language, so they all understand it. Or should anyway. It's trying to keep a safe eye without actually limiting them of doing what they do.


And small mosques have to close. This isn't just closing mosques where radical imams might be preaching this is closing mosques in areas where the Muslim population might not be that big. We wouldn't close small-town churches just because they have less than 300 parishioners, so why should we close mosques for that reason?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:41 am

Imperialpowersofkorea wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Amusing, seeing as freedom of religion is not accepted by Islam.

Considering that my country has the 2nd highest population of muslims there is no islamic state here , you would be wrong...

and The question is not, The state cannot curb freedom of religion, it is not allowed and ethical

But then, we are speaking of the Europe...

No, we are speaking of Austria.


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Ifreann wrote:Imposing restrictions on people and organisations solely because they are Muslim is harm.


Those restrictions aren't anything abhorrent. Mosques have to now register and use the German Quran/something. What's the big deal?

The big deal is that they shouldn't need to register and should be allowed to use any holy books in any language they see fit. Because freedom of religion.
German is the state language, so they all understand it. Or should anyway.

I don't speak the state language of my country. I don't see any reason to believe that other people speak the state languages of their countries.
It's trying to keep a safe eye without actually limiting them of doing what they do.

Muslims don't need an eye kept on them.
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Postby Imperialpowersofkorea » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:42 am

Yes, I remember some other guy nitpicking another community, yes it was some crazy Austrian corporal. This is clear evidence that Europe wants to shut all freedom of Religion/expression and thought. They do not espouse secular values and their society is based on archiac principles of Religious/Ethnic society. It is time to see the second threat after Radical Islam and that is European ultra nationalism
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