The Pledge of Allegiance; Your Thoughts

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Said by millions of American students ever day, the Pledge of Allegiance is considered to be a lasting symbol of American nationalism. Do you believe their should be a pledge? Should the reference to the Christian god be dropped?

I for one find the notion of pledging to a government to be against the principles our nation was established with. The thought that we are under an elite government troubles me. After all, is it not the Government who should swear allegiance to the people?

[Benuty]

I never cared for it to begin with especially since I don't swear oaths (for religios reasons). It needs to be reformed, and made into something completely voluntary. Hell I would say it needs to be completely dropped, but that might be too far.

[MERIZoC]

Brainwashing tripe.

[Ripoll]

It should be mandatory to be had in schools, but people should be able to opt out of saying it if they wish.

It's just national pride, I see nothing wrong with it.

lefties would say otherwise however.....

[Neutraligon]

Brainwashing tripe.

Agreed. I find it very wrong that children who are too young to understand are being asked to voice an oath.

[Insaeldor]

I prefer the original 1892 version but that's just me.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

It should be mandatory to be had in schools, but people should be able to opt out of saying it if they wish.

It's just national pride, I see nothing wrong with it.

lefties would say otherwise however.....

National pride involves selling out to whomever happens to be in power?

[Need a Name]

110% for it. I tend to loathe my classmates who don't say the pledge with the man over the loudspeaker. It gives my a sense of pride and a reason to give to craps about doing well that day.

Call me flag waver, but I love the pledge.

[MERIZoC]

It should be mandatory to be had in schools, but people should be able to opt out of saying it if they wish.

It's just national pride, I see nothing wrong with it.

lefties would say otherwise however.....

Those darn boogeym-I mean lefties. Thwarting this glorious nation at every turn.

[Need a Name]

It should be mandatory to be had in schools, but people should be able to opt out of saying it if they wish.

It's just national pride, I see nothing wrong with it.

lefties would say otherwise however.....

National pride involves selling out to whomever happens to be in power?

No, it involves giving your life to the nation that you were born and the morals that it was founded on, regardless of the leader.

Unless that leader goes against the Constitution/morals that the nation was founded upon.

[Ripoll]

National pride involves selling out to whomever happens to be in power?

No, it involves giving your life to the nation that you were born and the morals that it was founded on, regardless of the leader.

Unless that leader goes against the Constitution/morals that the nation was founded upon.

+1

[Benuty]

It should be mandatory to be had in schools, but people should be able to opt out of saying it if they wish.

It's just national pride, I see nothing wrong with it.

lefties would say otherwise however.....

Those darn boogeym-I mean lefties. Thwarting this glorious nation at every turn.

Back in my parents time they used to call "progressives" in the area jiggaboo lovers. Which as I later found out in life was a massively racist term. I guess people have evolved with their insultss....if only by a mile.

[Dyakovo]

Said by millions of American students ever day, the Pledge of Allegiance is considered to be a lasting symbol of American nationalism. Do you believe their should be a pledge? Should the reference to the Christian god be dropped?

I for one find the notion of pledging to a government to be against the principles our nation was established with. The thought that we are under an elite government troubles me. After all, is it not the Government who should swear allegiance to the people?

It's a bullshit propaganda/brain-washing mechanism that should never have been made mandatory.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

National pride involves selling out to whomever happens to be in power?

No, it involves giving your life to the nation that you were born and the morals that it was founded on

Morals? Like slavery? Should I go around parading how blacks should toil in my cotton fields because it was considered moral by the majority of the founding fathers?

[The New Sea Territory]

No one should say it. I discourage saying it to everyone I know.

[Benuty]

Said by millions of American students ever day, the Pledge of Allegiance is considered to be a lasting symbol of American nationalism. Do you believe their should be a pledge? Should the reference to the Christian god be dropped?

I for one find the notion of pledging to a government to be against the principles our nation was established with. The thought that we are under an elite government troubles me. After all, is it not the Government who should swear allegiance to the people?

It's a bullshit propaganda/brain-washing mechanism that should never have been made mandatory.

Perhaps the school systems could make note of it? Since many of them in the more conservative areas are so ingrained by the pledge it would (to them) a social mistep if you didn't recite the nonsense.

[Securitan]

No child should pledge alliagiance to anything, unless they truly want to.

[Ripoll]

It should be mandatory to be had in schools, but people should be able to opt out of saying it if they wish.

It's just national pride, I see nothing wrong with it.

lefties would say otherwise however.....

Those darn boogeym-I mean lefties. Thwarting this glorious nation at every turn.

Well I have a disdain for anyone further to the political left than moderate liberals, typically because the majority of their reasoning simply complies with emotional stimuli and they lack the virtue of practicality in their political Agenda. Also because of the lack of commitment or honor to any cause above themselves or their devotion to buzzwords they know nothing about. They also hate our military and generally despise authority. Which is why I love the younger generations much more than the millennial because they view the world without any rose colored lenses, that is view the world through moderate and objective lenses. They realize authority is essential to freedom.

Pro capitalism, pro status quo, but also acknowledging the need for reasonable and sensible change, just not drastic and impractical change anarchists, communists, and socialists all garner for.

So I'm more anti extremism than I am anti-leftism, I simply correlate the two to be the same thing, which may be a bad thing but hey- we all have biases.

[Benuty]

No, it involves giving your life to the nation that you were born and the morals that it was founded on

Morals? Like slavery? Should I go around parading how blacks should toil in my cotton fields because it was considered moral by the majority of the founding fathers?

Well in the warped minds of some you would be seen as an example of a successful job creator.

[Ripoll]

No, it involves giving your life to the nation that you were born and the morals that it was founded on

Morals? Like slavery? Should I go around parading how blacks should toil in my cotton fields because it was considered moral by the majority of the founding fathers?

O please, save your melodramatic ignorance for later, the core principles on which this nation was founded upon was way ahead of their time and we should never look at history with the cultural values and political view points we have today, rather we should look at it within the context of history in their time period.

[United Marxist Nations]

National pride involves selling out to whomever happens to be in power?

No, it involves giving your life to the nation that you were born and the morals that it was founded on, regardless of the leader.

Unless that leader goes against the Constitution/morals that the nation was founded upon.

Why is it a person's duty to be endlessly loyal to the country you are born in and that country's ideology?

[Ripoll]

It's a bullshit propaganda/brain-washing mechanism that should never have been made mandatory.

Perhaps the school systems could make note of it? Since many of them in the more conservative areas are so ingrained by the pledge it would (to them) a social mistep if you didn't recite the nonsense.

You mean showing patriotic support for your country and in turn the people around you? Does citizenship mean nothing?

[Dazchan]

My opinion on the Pledge of Allegiance hasn't changed since I last entered a discussion on it:

Why should they have to "prove" their loyalty to America? Very few free, democratic nations have such a loyalty oath or a requirement to prove your loyalty.

In any case, you're not proving anything by memorising something that somebody else said and regurgitating it automatically. If people wish to express their loyalty/love for the nation, they should do so in their own way, using their own expression.

[Benuty]

Morals? Like slavery? Should I go around parading how blacks should toil in my cotton fields because it was considered moral by the majority of the founding fathers?

O please, save your melodramatic ignorance for later, the core principles on which this nation was founded upon was way ahead of their time and we should never look at history with the cultural values and political view points we have today, rather we should look at it within the context of history in their time period.

I would hardly call trying to preserve the power of the social and political elite in the Atlantic colonies as way ahead of their time.

[United Russian Soviet States]

It is good. It should be a pledge of allegiance to the country itself, not the flag. It should be completely optional. I am glad it mentions God.