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Are you a monarchist?

Yes, constitutional monarchist
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33%
Yes, absolute monarchist
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8%
Yes, feudal monarchist
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4%
Yes, other type of monarchist (please specify in a post)
8
3%
No (feel free to post anyway)
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52%
 
Total votes : 245

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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:06 pm

I may be completely mistaken, but I think there's a sizable portion of forumers here who are monarchists, that is to say, people who like kings, queens, emperors, empresses and various other regal individuals as heads of state. Personally, I'm not one, but I've always been interested in the subject. Out of all the political ideologies in the world, I find this one to be the most, well, quirky, but in an interesting sort of way. I mean, it's a rather archaic ideology nowadays, but it still seems to attract a fairly sizable amount of adherents.

As I said, there might be none of you out there whatsoever, and this will simply turn into a dead topic, but please, if you do happen to be a monarchist, post a reply. I'm truly interested in your ideology and what makes you think that a monarch is best suited for being a head of state.

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Postby Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:19 pm

I support the Royal Family of the UK, so I guess I'm a constitutional monarchist.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:20 pm

I am a constitutional monarchist as I consider it inseparable from my classical republican ideals and influences.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:22 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:I am a constitutional monarchist as I consider it inseparable from my classical republican ideals and influences.


Err what, you are a monarchist and a republican?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:24 pm

Never understood the appeal, besides appearing as a cool relic of the past. Why elevate people to positions they don't deserve?

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:25 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:I am a constitutional monarchist as I consider it inseparable from my classical republican ideals and influences.


Err what, you are a monarchist and a republican?


Blasphemy! May Liam Neeson curse your offspring with gingervitis!

But I'm a republican.

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Postby Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:26 pm

Merizoc wrote:Never understood the appeal, besides appearing as a cool relic of the past. Why elevate people to positions they don't deserve?

Tradition, historical significance, tourism. They also serve as a good common unifier for the people.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:29 pm

Solaray wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Never understood the appeal, besides appearing as a cool relic of the past. Why elevate people to positions they don't deserve?

Tradition, historical significance, tourism. They also serve as a good common unifier for the people.


So do documents, presidents, a nation's history, etc. Investing all of that prestige in one man or one family is absurd and fairly anti-egalitarian.

Also tradition and history has been used to justify everything from treating women as second class citizens to slavery to traditional marriages to anti-miscegenation laws. So I wouldn't start out with that.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:30 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:I am a constitutional monarchist as I consider it inseparable from my classical republican ideals and influences.


Err what, you are a monarchist and a republican?

Basically an advocate of a mixed government. A constitutional or semi-constitutional monarchy with a few reserve powers, powerful aristocracy of merit/technocracy/meritocracy, and a not-so-powerful democratically-elected chamber.

Classical is the key word. ;)

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Postby Britanania » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:33 pm

I'm anti-egalitarian, so I naturally like Monarchies
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I'm incredibly anti-monarchist. Fanatically so, even.
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Postby Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:48 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Solaray wrote:Tradition, historical significance, tourism. They also serve as a good common unifier for the people.


So do documents, presidents, a nation's history, etc. Investing all of that prestige in one man or one family is absurd and fairly anti-egalitarian.

Also tradition and history has been used to justify everything from treating women as second class citizens to slavery to traditional marriages to anti-miscegenation laws. So I wouldn't start out with that.

Well, I'm not really trying to justify monarchies, per se. I just support them. Likely because of my Canadian bias.
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Postby Densaner » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:50 pm

I'm from the UK. I dislike the monarchy and support a Republic for the UK. I also dislike Monarchism wherever it may be.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:54 pm

Solaray wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
So do documents, presidents, a nation's history, etc. Investing all of that prestige in one man or one family is absurd and fairly anti-egalitarian.

Also tradition and history has been used to justify everything from treating women as second class citizens to slavery to traditional marriages to anti-miscegenation laws. So I wouldn't start out with that.

Well, I'm not really trying to justify monarchies, per se. I just support them. Likely because of my Canadian bias.


In truth, I'm indifferent. I'm fervently anti-monarchist and ardently republican. But I honestly cannot imagine the UK without a crown or at least as much as I can imagine the US with one.

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Postby Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:56 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Solaray wrote:Well, I'm not really trying to justify monarchies, per se. I just support them. Likely because of my Canadian bias.


In truth, I'm indifferent. I'm fervently anti-monarchist and ardently republican. But I honestly cannot imagine the UK without a crown or at least as much as I can imagine the US with one.

I'm sort of similar, in the sense that my main reason for supporting the monarchy is because it's always been there and the UK would feel so hollow without it.

Conversely, a crown in the US would be tantamount to blasphemy, given the principles of the nation.
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Postby Romalae » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:00 pm

I don't support monarchism. It's definitely a vestige from yesteryear.

That said, constitutional monarchies like the UK and Denmark are just fine.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:12 pm

I wouldn't support the creation of new monarchies. I am ok with the UK' s monarchy at the moment, but I don't expect it to survive long after her. The current queen of England has earned a good deal of respect, but I doubt her son's can measure up.

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Postby Sosi » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:16 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:I wouldn't support the creation of new monarchies. I am ok with the UK' s monarchy at the moment, but I don't expect it to survive long after her. The current queen of England has earned a good deal of respect, but I doubt her son's can measure up.

It's safe to say as an Anarcho-Monarchist that anything goes.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:19 pm

Sosi wrote:
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:I wouldn't support the creation of new monarchies. I am ok with the UK' s monarchy at the moment, but I don't expect it to survive long after her. The current queen of England has earned a good deal of respect, but I doubt her son's can measure up.

It's safe to say as an Anarcho-Monarchist that anything goes.


Anarcho-Monarchism? That sounds like a rare one. Care to explain your ideology's core tenets and beliefs?

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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:20 pm

Personally, if I was starting my own little utopia somewhere on the planet, I'd never make it a monarchy and I am always a republican at heart in my ideologies.

But i do support the current British monarchy and other european constitutional monarchs for pragmatic reasons. Monarchs are effective national unifiers, in a way that other things like documents or history just don't measure up to. Monarchies (especially the British monarchy) is a great boost to income mostly due to tourism.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:21 pm

I'm a staunch constitutional monarchist. And, despite my irreligion, I'm proud to say God Save the Queen.

Of course, I'm merely for the preservation of existing constitutional monarchies. I'm staunchly opposed to the idea that every country should have a monarchy.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:25 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Err what, you are a monarchist and a republican?

Basically an advocate of a mixed government. A constitutional or semi-constitutional monarchy with a few reserve powers, powerful aristocracy of merit/technocracy/meritocracy, and a not-so-powerful democratically-elected chamber.

Classical is the key word. ;)


The term is new to me, it is rather confusingly named.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:28 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Personally, if I was starting my own little utopia somewhere on the planet, I'd never make it a monarchy and I am always a republican at heart in my ideologies.

But i do support the current British monarchy and other european constitutional monarchs for pragmatic reasons. Monarchs are effective national unifiers, in a way that other things like documents or history just don't measure up to. Monarchies (especially the British monarchy) is a great boost to income mostly due to tourism.


This video outlines pretty much my reasoning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw
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Postby Sosi » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:32 pm

Sanctissima wrote:
Sosi wrote:It's safe to say as an Anarcho-Monarchist that anything goes.


Anarcho-Monarchism? That sounds like a rare one. Care to explain your ideology's core tenets and beliefs?

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Postby Phintry » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:33 pm

I'm not a monarchist myself, but I do understand the appeal of the ideology. I don't love the British or Danish monarchies, but I don't dislike them too too much. But that's mostly because they're both constitutional and can't do anything they like.
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