by Sanctissima » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:06 pm
by Sebastianbourg » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:20 pm
by L Ron Cupboard » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:22 pm
Sebastianbourg wrote:I am a constitutional monarchist as I consider it inseparable from my classical republican ideals and influences.
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:25 pm
by Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:26 pm
Merizoc wrote:Never understood the appeal, besides appearing as a cool relic of the past. Why elevate people to positions they don't deserve?
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:29 pm
by Sebastianbourg » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:30 pm
by Britanania » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:33 pm
by Conserative Morality » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:34 pm
by Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:48 pm
Mike the Progressive wrote:Solaray wrote:Tradition, historical significance, tourism. They also serve as a good common unifier for the people.
So do documents, presidents, a nation's history, etc. Investing all of that prestige in one man or one family is absurd and fairly anti-egalitarian.
Also tradition and history has been used to justify everything from treating women as second class citizens to slavery to traditional marriages to anti-miscegenation laws. So I wouldn't start out with that.
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:54 pm
Solaray wrote:Mike the Progressive wrote:
So do documents, presidents, a nation's history, etc. Investing all of that prestige in one man or one family is absurd and fairly anti-egalitarian.
Also tradition and history has been used to justify everything from treating women as second class citizens to slavery to traditional marriages to anti-miscegenation laws. So I wouldn't start out with that.
Well, I'm not really trying to justify monarchies, per se. I just support them. Likely because of my Canadian bias.
by Solaray » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:56 pm
Mike the Progressive wrote:Solaray wrote:Well, I'm not really trying to justify monarchies, per se. I just support them. Likely because of my Canadian bias.
In truth, I'm indifferent. I'm fervently anti-monarchist and ardently republican. But I honestly cannot imagine the UK without a crown or at least as much as I can imagine the US with one.
by Romalae » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:00 pm
by Russels Orbiting Teapot » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:12 pm
by Sosi » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:16 pm
Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:I wouldn't support the creation of new monarchies. I am ok with the UK' s monarchy at the moment, but I don't expect it to survive long after her. The current queen of England has earned a good deal of respect, but I doubt her son's can measure up.
by Sanctissima » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:19 pm
Sosi wrote:Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:I wouldn't support the creation of new monarchies. I am ok with the UK' s monarchy at the moment, but I don't expect it to survive long after her. The current queen of England has earned a good deal of respect, but I doubt her son's can measure up.
It's safe to say as an Anarcho-Monarchist that anything goes.
by Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:20 pm
by Liberty and Linguistics » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:21 pm
by L Ron Cupboard » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:25 pm
Sebastianbourg wrote:L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Err what, you are a monarchist and a republican?
Basically an advocate of a mixed government. A constitutional or semi-constitutional monarchy with a few reserve powers, powerful aristocracy of merit/technocracy/meritocracy, and a not-so-powerful democratically-elected chamber.
Classical is the key word.
by Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:28 pm
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Personally, if I was starting my own little utopia somewhere on the planet, I'd never make it a monarchy and I am always a republican at heart in my ideologies.
But i do support the current British monarchy and other european constitutional monarchs for pragmatic reasons. Monarchs are effective national unifiers, in a way that other things like documents or history just don't measure up to. Monarchies (especially the British monarchy) is a great boost to income mostly due to tourism.
by Sosi » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:32 pm
by Phintry » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:33 pm
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