[SCRAPED] International Murder Act

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:01 am

I have been thinking about it, and looking though the current resolutions, and I could not find a way, within current WA Resolutions, to punish someone if they were to kill someone in international waters and then dump their body in international waters. Is this something that is already covered in a resolution that I may have missed, or is it unmentioned? You know what guys (and girls, if it apllies) I really wanted to get a piece of legislation through.

Modified First Draft below

by **Separatist Peoples** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:13 am

"There is no WA law against murder, but the boat, I believe, falls under the laws of the nation of origin. If it is illegal to kill somebody in your nation, then it is illegal to kill somebody on a boat from your nation in international waters."

by **Bears Armed** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:16 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"but the boat, I believe, falls under the laws of the nation of origin."

Correct.
#168: ‘Law of the Seas’

And potentially, depending on circumstances, there's also the possibility of prosecution in any WA member nation under #20: ‘Suppress International Piracy’ as well.

EDIT: minor typo fixed.

by **The Dark Star Republic** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:23 am

"But more pertinently, there is no law against murdering someone and disposing of their body in the sea in national waters. The location of the boat is irrelevant: murder isn't an international crime."

~ Daisy Chinmusic
Legislative Intern

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:03 pm

Also, if the boat is unregistered?

by **Sierra Lyricalia** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:22 pm

While there's no WA legislation specifically covering a person on an unregistered vessel just leaving national waters to dispose of a dead body (edit: at least, not framed in precisely those terms), as far as I know we've never needed any. The number of people who've gone out on a little cruise, quietly come back minus a passenger, and totally escaped prosecution by their own country (or extradition to a foreign victim's) is miniscule if not nonexistent. This isn't really any sort of pressing international issue.

Though, remind me never to go on a boat with you, ambassador. Because of the implication.

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:14 am

So, this subject is not covered in any resolution?

by **The Dark Star Republic** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:17 am

"No, there is no WA law against either murder or improper disposal of a body. Where those crimes occur is irrelevant."

~ Daisy Chinmusic

by **Petrokovia** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:05 am

"I was not aware of this problem. Petrokovia has some laws regarding this, and usually we take action against this kind of stuff under the Piracy law mentioned earlier, but it is worrisome that there is no official law about this problem."

~Premier Daniel Petit

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:48 am

Created a draft of it. Tell me what you think.

by **Separatist Peoples** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:35 am

The United Peoples of Phyrexxus wrote:Created a draft of it. Tell me what you think.

"I think you failed to define murder entirely, which leaves an awful lot of question as to what is a justifiable homocide and what is not according to this law."

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:12 am

Fixed it

by **Defwa** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:17 am

I'm not able to go into detail at the moment, but you're already risking a category violation by jumping from murder to body disposal.
Not to mention your disposal policy is woefully short sited, banning organ harvesting or embalming by apparently requiring immediate delivery of the deceased

by **Separatist Peoples** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:17 am

The United Peoples of Phyrexxus wrote:Fixed it

"So why does this only apply to humans and not other sapients? The Bears Armed delegation won't like that. And why are we determining a nation's laws regarding justifiable homocide? You've managed to make illegal the Death Penalty for non-homocide charges, as well as justifiable homocide to prevent rape. And you've also banned cremation.

"Murder law is an issue that is best left to individual nations. Not the WA. I suggest you scrap this."

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:48 am

Is this better?

by **Separatist Peoples** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:09 am

"Literally none of my points about murder were adequately addressed. No. For your own sake, drop this."

by **The United Peoples of Phyrexxus** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:35 am

I made some changes, thought you would appreciate it.

by **The Dark Star Republic** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:42 am

"Murder isn't an inherently international issue. Your proposal has not explained why WA involvement in this area is necessary.

REALIZES that, due to this, nations do not have to make murder illegal.

"Why should they? If nations manage their affairs capably without a law against murder, forcing them to impose them doesn't seem to have any value. Equally, there is no obvious benefit to nations not making murder illegal, and hence no particular reason why the WA would even need to force them to do so."

~ Daisy Chinmusic
Legislative Intern

by **Normlpeople** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:06 pm

OOC: There is a point between micromanagement and international issue. There is international legislation forbidding the government from arbitrarily murdering people, and the actions of individual citizens are not subject to international laws. If a government cannot pass a law against murder domestically, then what is passed here will likely be far beyond them.

by **The Two Jerseys** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:33 pm

"Hey talking bears, get that stamp of yours over here, pronto!" -Ambassador J.R. Ewing

by **Grays Harbor** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:06 pm

Oh my. How did all us poor barbaric nations ever exist before somebody came along to tell us it should be illegal to do something every nation already has laws about? Perhaps the WA should also write a law declaring it illegal to commit robbery or fraud. Perhaps a law making it illegal to run stop signs? Or how about a law which makes it illegal exceed the posted speed limit?

by **Chester Pearson** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:32 pm

I must say, I love the title.....

[SCRAPED] International Murder Act

[SCRAPED] International Murder Act

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