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[DRAFT] Limiting Planetary Destruction

Postby Hakio » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:23 am

Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Hakio

Limiting Planetary Destruction


UNDERSTANDING that there are nonhuman persons that comprise a portion of this distinguished Assembly who live on other planets or planetoids;

REALIZING that the technologically advanced nature of intergalactic warfare between eachother's planets or solar systems, is not regulated currently by the General Assembly;

MOURNING the destruction of planets during times of intergalactic war utilizing weapons of planetary destruction on innumerable innocent civilians;

BELIEVING that such atrociously condemnable actions may no longer be considered to be permissable by this esteemed organization due to lack of legislation on the specific topic;


HEREBY:


Defines "Planetary Destruction" as the intentional physical demolition of a planetary object or weaponry designed to cause mass extinction events on enemy planetary objects.

Defines "Weapons of Planetary Destruction" as any weapon that can cause global mass extinction events or destroy a planet or planetoid completely.


Prohibits the usage of weapons of planetary destruction from any World Assembly nation on planets or planetoids occupied by sentient persons or other forms of advanced lifeforms;

Bans The sale, distribution, or any other form of transfer of such weapons to non WA associations, organizations, or private entities, with or without the intent of usage.


Allows for such weaponry to be used against enemy intergalactic megastructures (of nations not affected by this resolution) that are not mainly occupied by civilian forces and are intended to cause planetary destruction against your planet or planetoid.


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Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant (?)
Proposed by: Hakio

Limiting Planetary Destruction


UNDERSTANDING that there are sentient persons that comprise a portion of this distinguished Assembly who live on other planets or planetoids;

REALIZING that the technologically advanced nature of extra-planetary warfare between each other's planets or solar systems, is not regulated currently by the General Assembly;

MOURNING the destruction of planets during times of extra-planetary war utilizing weapons of planetary destruction on innumerable innocent civilians;

BELIEVING that such atrociously condemnable actions may no longer be considered to be permissible by this esteemed organization due to lack of legislation on the specific topic;


HEREBY:


Defines "Planetary Destruction" as the intentional physical demolition of a planet or deliberate actions resulting in mass extinction events on enemy target planets and planetoids.

Defines A "Weapon of Planetary Destruction" as any weapon that can cause global mass extinction events or destroy a planet or planetoid completely.


Prohibits the usage of weapons of planetary destruction from any World Assembly nation on planets or planetoids occupied by sentient persons or other types of advanced lifeforms or planets or planetoids nearby whose destruction would put inhabited planets in certain danger;

Bans The sale, distribution, or any other form of transfer of such weapons to non WA associations, organizations, or private entities, with or without the intent of usage.


Allows for such weaponry to be used as a last resort against enemy extra-planetary megastructures or spacecraft (of nations not affected by this resolution) that are intended to cause planetary destruction against your planet or planetoid.



Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Significant (?)
Proposed by: Hakio

Limiting Planetary Destruction


UNDERSTANDING that there are sentient persons that comprise a portion of this distinguished Assembly who live on other planetary objects;

REALIZING that the technologically advanced nature of extra-planetary warfare between each other's planets or solar systems, is not regulated currently by the General Assembly;

MOURNING the destruction of planetary objects during times of extra-planetary war utilizing weapons of planetary destruction on innumerable innocent civilians;

BELIEVING that such atrociously condemnable actions may no longer be considered to be permissible by this esteemed organization due to lack of legislation on the specific topic;

SPECIFIES that nothing in this resolution necessarily prohibits the usage of nuclear warheads in warfare;

HEREBY:


Defines a "Planetary Object" as any amount of mass large enough to be condensed by it's own gravitational force.

Defines "Planetary Destruction" as the intentional physical demolition of a planetary object or deliberate actions resulting in mass extinction events on enemy target planetary objects.

Defines a "Weapon of Planetary Destruction" as any weapon that can cause global mass extinction events or destroy a planetary object completely.


Prohibits the usage of weapons of planetary destruction from any World Assembly nation on planetary object occupied by sentient persons or other types of advanced lifeforms or planetary objects nearby whose destruction would put inhabited planets in imminent danger;

Bans The sale, distribution, or any other form of transfer of such weapons to non WA associations, organizations, or private entities, with or without the intent of usage.


Allows for such weaponry to be used against debris, rogue planets, asteroids, or any other planetary object that can be demonstrated to be putting an inhabited planet in imminent danger.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:54 am

Support.

Very quickly (I will give more detailed notes later) I would change the definition of such weapons to the singular: a weapon of planetary destruction is defined as a weapon capable of causing etc. etc. This way you're not inadvertently legislating on merely nuclear weapons, which are certainly capable of causing mass extinctions if used en masse.

I'd also change "intergalactic" to "extraplanetary" as these weapons may not be used exclusively in wars between competing galaxies.

More later. Thanks for revisiting this.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:55 am

I can't believe this is International Security, especially given the concurrent ruling on the Nuclear Arms Accord, and given the tiny proportion of WA members having access to such weaponry, no way it's Significant.

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Postby Havenburgh » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:57 am

I support this draft. Being a planetary nation myself

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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:06 am

If this shit is rule legal, given my current argument, then I lose all hope for moderation....
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Postby Flamels Stone » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:24 am

How about someone writes a civilian protection act (If there isnt something like that already) so that war is a little less damaging in general?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:02 am

Flamels Stone wrote:How about someone writes a civilian protection act (If there isnt something like that already) so that war is a little less damaging in general?

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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:06 am

Flamels Stone wrote:How about someone writes a civilian protection act (If there isnt something like that already) so that war is a little less damaging in general?


We had one. It was call the International Criminal Court, and it stopped this kind of shit. Now we are forced to try and piecemeal it back together, after Mouse in her infinite wisdom decided to repeal it....
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:10 am

Flamels Stone wrote:How about someone writes a civilian protection act (If there isnt something like that already) so that war is a little less damaging in general?

Most crimes against civilians were legalised by the repeal of the International Criminal Court resolution. The repeal originally included an argument that such prohibitions should be separately replaced, but that line was removed, probably because the author never had any intention of furnishing such replacements.

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Postby Defwa » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:29 am

I have notes on an icc replacement somewhere... I might bring them out after My current project bursts into flames of ascends to heaven.

Anyway, considering changes in legislation since this was last attempted, I feel you may have better luck focussing on just preventing disproportionate civilian casualties. Less of a niche issue than planetary obliteration.
Also the title makes this look like alarmist environmental legislation
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Postby Sciongrad » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:05 am

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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:07 am

Sciongrad wrote:"I understand that you might be wary of the global disarmament category, but this is definitely not international security."


If you do submit as Global Disarmament, make sure it doesn't get mistaken for International Security and pulled two hours before vote.... :roll:
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Postby Hakio » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:49 pm

OOC: Before I get ready to write up my second draft I would greatly appreciate if a moderator could check the category and strength to make sure it is legal as there appears to be contention over this point. Thank you for all your support and ideas.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:46 pm

Hakio wrote:OOC: Before I get ready to write up my second draft I would greatly appreciate if a moderator could check the category and strength to make sure it is legal as there appears to be contention over this point. Thank you for all your support and ideas.


Good luck....

It has taken them twelve hours and I still don't even have a reason for why mine was pulled, even though a decision to pull a quorated proposal is not taken lightly, and all mods are supposed to be involved.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:50 pm

Chester please don't drag this thread off topic. Your issue will be resolved within your own thread.

Regarding the legality of this proposal: I would prefer to see more actual debate and discussion within the thread itself on the topic before tossing it to the Secretariat. Additionally we don't do legality checks via telegram :p

That having been said, an unofficial first glance opinion would pin this as not being IntSec at all.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:16 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Chester please don't drag this thread off topic. Your issue will be resolved within your own thread.

Regarding the legality of this proposal: I would prefer to see more actual debate and discussion within the thread itself on the topic before tossing it to the Secretariat. Additionally we don't do legality checks via telegram :p

That having been said, an unofficial first glance opinion would pin this as not being IntSec at all.


OOC: Well it got someone's attention now didn't it? But seriously I apologize Mall. I will leave my ranting on the subject to my own dead proposal thread.

IC: Not really seeing this. I know you don't want to go GD, and I don't blame you, but this is not IntSec, if we go by Gatwick's insane rulings as of late. I suggest we get together with a few people and try a new version of the ICC, as piecemealing this shit back together is getting us nowhere....
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Postby Hakio » Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:16 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Chester please don't drag this thread off topic. Your issue will be resolved within your own thread.

Regarding the legality of this proposal: I would prefer to see more actual debate and discussion within the thread itself on the topic before tossing it to the Secretariat. Additionally we don't do legality checks via telegram :p

That having been said, an unofficial first glance opinion would pin this as not being IntSec at all.


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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:18 pm

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why everyone's taking a proposal to ban Death Stars so seriously. Why not ban the Sith as well, not to mention Dark Wizards, the Volturi, Team Edward, meteor freaks, William the Bloody, Hunger Games, Disney villains, the entire cast of Supernatural, or the Cruciatus curse? I'm sure the GA would be an excellent platform for making the sci-fi/fantasy world a little safer...but a whole lot less fun.

EDIT: and yes, Global Disarmament is the obvious choice.
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Postby Defwa » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:29 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why everyone's taking a proposal to ban Death Stars so seriously. Why not ban the Sith as well, not to mention Dark Wizards, the Volturi, Team Edward, meteor freaks, William the Bloody, Hunger Games, Disney villains, the entire cast of Supernatural, or the Cruciatus curse? I'm sure the GA would be an excellent platform for making the sci-fi/fantasy world a little safer...but a whole lot less fun.

EDIT: and yes, Global Disarmament is the obvious choice.

During the last attempt we had several people come in here and tell us in detail how they obliterate planets. it's not as far fetched as it may seem.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:33 pm

Defwa wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why everyone's taking a proposal to ban Death Stars so seriously. Why not ban the Sith as well, not to mention Dark Wizards, the Volturi, Team Edward, meteor freaks, William the Bloody, Hunger Games, Disney villains, the entire cast of Supernatural, or the Cruciatus curse? I'm sure the GA would be an excellent platform for making the sci-fi/fantasy world a little safer...but a whole lot less fun.

EDIT: and yes, Global Disarmament is the obvious choice.

During the last attempt we had several people come in here and tell us in detail how they obliterate planets. it's not as far fetched as it may seem.

The problem is, gnomes be damned, there's really no reason why a nation with that kind of power would listen to the WA. Even the category name - "Global Disarmament", not "Intergalactic Disarmament" - does rather suggest how the thing was originally envisioned.

Does anyone else find it silly that we have categories for Human Rights, Gun Control, Automobile Manufacturing, and Global Disarmament, but we're not allowed to talk about humans, guns, automobiles, or globes?

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Postby Defwa » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:44 pm

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Defwa wrote:During the last attempt we had several people come in here and tell us in detail how they obliterate planets. it's not as far fetched as it may seem.

The problem is, gnomes be damned, there's really no reason why a nation with that kind of power would listen to the WA. Even the category name - "Global Disarmament", not "Intergalactic Disarmament" - does rather suggest how the thing was originally envisioned.

Does anyone else find it silly that we have categories for Human Rights, Gun Control, Automobile Manufacturing, and Global Disarmament, but we're not allowed to talk about humans, guns, automobiles, or globes?

OOC: Only because the people who made this game did not have the imagination of those who play it. There should be a space category for the various things in space that need regulating- weapons to litter. But I have to shove it in to environmental. Just have to deal
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:47 pm

Yeah, I hope the four-time published science fiction novelist who runs this game learns a good lesson from us about how unimaginative he is :lol:

On topic, the non-spacewank way of accomplishing this would be an NS version of the Environmental Modification Convention. Write it generally enough, and planetary destruction just becomes a particularly extreme form of environmental modification, while it could also cover more realistic, modern day concerns like cloud seeding - and perhaps even apply to Glog caving in his neighbour's living space!
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:49 pm

What statistical effect would a "Space category" have on nations, I wonder?
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:59 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why everyone's taking a proposal to ban Death Stars so seriously. Why not ban the Sith as well, not to mention Dark Wizards, the Volturi, Team Edward, meteor freaks, William the Bloody, Hunger Games, Disney villains, the entire cast of Supernatural, or the Cruciatus curse? I'm sure the GA would be an excellent platform for making the sci-fi/fantasy world a little safer...but a whole lot less fun.

EDIT: and yes, Global Disarmament is the obvious choice.


Are we sure that Global Disarmament is the right category? One has to remember that the mods are tightening those categories up, without saying anything about it.
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:57 pm

Also known as the "let's ban Death Star" resolution.

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