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Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:36 pm

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In an effort to not play favorites, and to encourage people to Play Nicely With Others, this will be the latest in the series of Tank Threads. We may make a habit of providing a fresh OP for continuation threads that have been locked due to length to avoid such problems in the future. Best of luck with it.

Rules:

  • No mechs. This means no legged vehicles, or any sort of vehicles that rely on legs for movement, even if designed to fulfill the same role as tanks. This includes hybrids like Ghost in the Shell think-tanks and Tachikomas. If you're looking for a thread about mechs, please see the link listed further down.
  • Hovertanks, heavy tanks, light tanks, and other vehicles that fulfill the role of a tank, but not necessarily a modern main battle tank, are allowed.
  • Please attempt to be reasonably civil to each other. Discuss, do not flame, do not bait, no matter how right you think you are, or wrong the other guy is. Stay on topic. Please simply report any unreasonable lapses that don't correct themselves.
  • No one has 'ownership' of this thread, it's concept, it's execution, nor does any player have the right to deny use of, or reference to it. Everyone is welcome so long as you respect the thread rules, and intent of the topic.
  • Please keep in mind: If you post a design here, or make a statement that is incorrect, you automatically accept that it may, nay will, be criticized. You do not have to agree to accept the criticism and act on it but you forfeited the right to whine about it when you posted. Such is the nature of a public forum.

    The adage "Better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt" is apt. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. If you don't know, ask. Someone will tell you. Try to learn from what the more experienced players have to say, and use that knowledge to improve your design. As always, to the veterans, this is not an excuse to flame, troll or otherwise act in an insulting way towards posters.

Related Threads:
For the previous MBT threads, click here:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
(Note: All previous threads are locked, however if you have a question or response to anything brought up in the previous threads, go ahead and post it here.)

If you have a question about mechs, or vehicles involving legs, Check here.

For general questions on military realism and how it relates to NationStates, see the NS Military Realism Consultation Thread. This is mostly MT to some levels of PMT. For FT advice and discussion, see the Argument Thread OOC Future Tech Only and the Advice Thread OOC Future Tech Only links.

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:40 pm

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Tis nice to look at as a close-combat infantry support vehicle. I'd use it if I wasn't US-based.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:32 pm

I use the Panthera Leo Main Battle Tank, which you can get here from Yohannes one of the best tank designers on NS, in my humble opinion.
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Postby Gawdzendia » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:19 pm

Really?
...Really?

We had moved past the "Did Han shoot first" shindig in part 3 to actually start doing stuff.

I'll post my current project, the GZMCC MK I-12 'Sphinx'.

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Postby Senestrum » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:19 am

Loving how criticism of forum moderation is grounds for instant threadlock/post deletion.

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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:25 am

Senestrum wrote:Loving how criticism of forum moderation is grounds for instant threadlock/post deletion.

Stay classy, guys.

Criticism is fine. Threadjacking and continual trolling is not. Pot, kettle, you know the rest. *** 1-day Ban *** on account. Please take the time to rethink your strategies. Posts were not deleted, they were split for being off-topic - something that was requested not to happen from the beginning. For someone accusing others of a lack of class, your own actions, in spite of much-vaunted behavior elsewhere, seem sadly lacking.

Moving on.
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Postby Costa Fiero » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:26 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8983760#p8983760

Tis nice to look at as a close-combat infantry support vehicle. I'd use it if I wasn't US-based.


It looks like someone got a bit too happy with a glue gun and some scaffolding. It actually looks kinda ungainly.

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Postby New Cueva » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:38 am

The National Cuevan Ground Forces are equipped with the 120mm version of the EE-T1 Osório.

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Postby Ularn » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:42 am

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The Dragon Main Battle Grav Tank is crewed by two marines and armed primarily with a gravitic-assisted railgun and heavy autorail as the coaxial weapon. A gravity drive keeps it off the ground, while a pair of gravitic ramjets offer surprising speed and manoeuvrability for its size.
As well as being terrifying in its own right, the Dragon is also highly versatile, with two hard points on the main turret which can be upgraded with a variety of weapons, sensors and communications suites. During an invasion, the Dragon can also be fitted with a heavy-duty grav-chute - a more powerful version of the ones used by marines on combat drops. This allows them to be dropped out of the landing craft while it is still in flight, getting them into the battle that much quicker. Additionally, the chassis itself is also used as the basis for an Armoured Personnel Carrier and Self-Propelled Artillery variants.

I'm going to redesign it some time soon. The current version is stupidly huge (11x6x3m and 120 tonnes) with a 250mm main gun. As well as making it smaller, I'm going to give it a wider, more obviously armoured turret and widen the hull at the front front to conceal the jet intakes, since they're very vulnerable with the current shape. The gunner/commander's also going to end up in the turret instead of next to the driver in the hull. There's also going to be a command variant with a turret on the turret (so yo can kill doodz while yo kill doodz!) and all the comms/sensors array stuff built into one hardpoint, as well as having room for a third crew member to command the squadron.
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Postby Milograd » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:22 am

You'll be missed in Gholgoth and on NS in general RRoan - your contributions to this site have always been appreciated by those of us who knew you. The moderation staff's handling of this thread has prompted a series of problems in what should have been a simple thread split. It's ridiculous.



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Postby Purpelia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:47 am

Well, since the mods blew the old thread up I might as well try again. :evil:

I really want to continue the design discussion on my super heavy tank design.
Stats so far:

Length: 10.24m
Length (gun forward): 12.4m
Width: 3.8m (4.2m with counter-slope armor)
Mass: hopefully about 200T empty.

Front Armor: 2m of modern composites. NOT 2000mm RHA equivalent but 2000mm of modern composite insanity.

My questions:
Any guess on the mass of the vehicle? Will I be able to fit it at <=200 metric tons?
And what do you think of the size of the space for the driver? (1400mm long)
And what do you think of the height of the space the crew members are in? (1240mm high)
Are they too much? In particular I am leaning toward dropping the height to around 900mm or 1m or so.
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Postby Immoren » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:52 am

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Postby Gawdzendia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:54 am

Purpelia wrote:Well, since the mods blew the old thread up I might as well try again. :evil:

I really want to continue the design discussion on my super heavy tank design.
Stats so far:

Length: 10.24m
Length (gun forward): 12.4m
Width: 3.8m (4.2m with counter-slope armor)
Mass: hopefully about 200T empty.

Front Armor: 2m of modern composites. NOT 2000mm RHA equivalent but 2000mm of modern composite insanity.

My questions:
Any guess on the mass of the vehicle? Will I be able to fit it at <=200 metric tons?
And what do you think of the size of the space for the driver? (1400mm long)
And what do you think of the height of the space the crew members are in? (1240mm high)
Are they too much? In particular I am leaning toward dropping the height to around 900mm or 1m or so.


Well if the math on this site here is right, then with some quick conversions, a steel plate that is 4.8m L x 3.8m W x 2.0m T is 250 Metric Tonnes in weight.

I'm not sure I have the dimensions of your frontal armour correct, and I'm also sure that Modern Composites don't weigh nearly as much as their weight in steel, but that gives you an idea.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:59 am

Where did you get the 4.8 number? My armor is 2m thick (long), some 3.8m wide (although when you subtract the tracks and such it will probably be closer to 3-3.3m) and about 1.5m tall.

Thanks for the site thou.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:01 am

Gawdzendia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Well, since the mods blew the old thread up I might as well try again. :evil:

I really want to continue the design discussion on my super heavy tank design.
Stats so far:

Length: 10.24m
Length (gun forward): 12.4m
Width: 3.8m (4.2m with counter-slope armor)
Mass: hopefully about 200T empty.

Front Armor: 2m of modern composites. NOT 2000mm RHA equivalent but 2000mm of modern composite insanity.

My questions:
Any guess on the mass of the vehicle? Will I be able to fit it at <=200 metric tons?
And what do you think of the size of the space for the driver? (1400mm long)
And what do you think of the height of the space the crew members are in? (1240mm high)
Are they too much? In particular I am leaning toward dropping the height to around 900mm or 1m or so.


Well if the math on this site here is right, then with some quick conversions, a steel plate that is 4.8m L x 3.8m W x 2.0m T is 250 Metric Tonnes in weight.

I'm not sure I have the dimensions of your frontal armour correct, and I'm also sure that Modern Composites don't weigh nearly as much as their weight in steel, but that gives you an idea.


Problem is that site measures plates, what purpelia is using aren't plates so to speak.

Best thing to do: use calculus to get a rough estimate of the volume of the plate and then multiply that by the density of the steel.
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:34 am

Well, my revised math puts the front hull armor at about 65T (assuming RHA). Does anyone have an idea how to convert that mass into modern composites without actually designing my own highly detailed composite armor. (I just need a very rough estimate)
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Postby Imeriata » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:53 am

Hammar class
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Type: Medium Tank
Designed in: The absolute royal federation
Designer: Birger auf Björkenholm
Designed: 1973
Manufacturer: the royal merchant guild (Kopparbergs automobil företag)
Variants: Standard variant
Drak hammare
Howitzer hammare
Female Hammare
self propellant shell hammare

Weight: 62.3 tonnes
Length: 9.30 m
Width: 4 m
Height: 4.5 m
Crew:4 (commander, 2 gunners, driver)
Armour: 90 mm thick.
Primary armament: 1 x smoothbore 120 mm Khönungkannon
Secondary armament: 2 X 16x80mm Martin Tyngre kulsprute gevar
Fuel capacity: 1,200 liters
Fuel: Disel operated
Operational range: 550 km
Speed: 65 km/h

Background


The history of the Hammer class tracklayers started with the first Tracklayer rolled out of the factories in the middle of the Imerian civil war to be used by the royalists against the syndicalist frontlines in the hope of being able to smash through the enemy lines. While the tracklayers showed themselves to be slow cumbersome and even underpowered in a lot of field so did they show themselves to be rather nice to take cover behind for the infantry if nothing else. The designs that were adopted in these days were however something that stuck and the medium tracklayers were the forefathers of the modern medium tracklayers and even if they have been increased a lot in size and their weapon have been sized up to something that would normally be reserved for the rear artillery and the armour been a bit more slopped than the original brick wall just as the engine had been replaced so have the general outline been kept to this day.

However in 1971 was it decided that the royal guard was in the need of a new generation of Medium tracklayers and after looking on a bunch of applications and models so did the royal guard finally buy the production rights to the hammar class tracklayer of the Kopparbergs automobil företag and the tanks saw battle first just as most of the new weapons that came out during the seventies and early eighties in the first new Frelandian war where the tracklayers were used in the first and only battle supporting the naval infantry that landed to crush their enemies.

It did however play a larger role during the liberation of northern Venezue when the tracklayers advanced over the nation that had seen their government be destroyed in a nuclear blast and smashed aside bandits, rouge generals and panicking government loyalists to claim as much land as possible for the federation and even today after three years so is the sight of Hammar-class tracklayers a cherished one in the growing Imerianised Northern Venezue and the Image of tank commanders coming with food, security, stability and freedom is a very cherished one in Northern venezue.

During the The Al-Jzr Al-Khḑrān and the Vorraidian wars however were the tracklayer forced to stay in the background as most of the fighting were done in dense jungles or in the closed tunnels of the imperial city however in both wars so did the Hammar class show itself to be up to the task when it was able to fight as it shattered a Vorraidian assault in the realm of Wharmark during the Imerian expedition there.

Main cannon


To deal with enemy armour and infantry hordes, the Hammar-class medium tracklayer is armed with the bandläggare 120mm khönunga kannonen, a smoothbore conversion of the 120mm field artillery piece to be better suited to be used for combat in a tracklayer. The main cannon is capable of being loaded with as many as 20 shells in the cannon tower's magazine while another 20 shells are stored in the cannon itself and with the attached autoloader so are the cannon able to unleash a rather high rate of fire towards it's enemies. Other improvements that have been made to the cannon is a new stabilisation system that allows the cannon to fire the 120 mm HEAT shells, 120mm high explosive shrapnel shells designed to take out enemy infantry and the new 120mm self propelled shell that is able to be fired from the cannon for long range combat where the self propelled shell can take out enemy armour and artillery positions to cover the advancing infantry.

Using a 42 caliber barrel, the Hammar-class' main gun is capable of firing a conventional shell to a distance of 3800 meters, with rocket-assisted shells capable of double that.

Secondary cannons


To keep itself protected from common foot soldiers and to be able to provide covering fire for the infantry that it will support so are the Hammar-class tracklayer armed with two 16x80mm Martin Tyngre kulsprute gevar attached to the cannon tower and the front of the tank to enable it to fire both forward towards the enemy as well as towards their main target. Both machine guns have flexible mounts, so you can aim it even if the tank or cannon tower is not aiming in the right direction.

Electronics devices


To be able to face enemies on the field, the Hammar-class tracklayer is equipped with a laser range finder to help the crew aim their cannon properly, just as the driving compartment is outfitted with an electric tea boiler and small fridge to store cream and milk.

Fire control


The Hammar class medium Tracklayer is not only outfited with its standard fire control system but the gunner is also given a 8x periscope to allow him to spot and aim his cannon towards the enemies and the commander of the tank is also given a independent periscop that allows for a 2x magnification to help him keep a better eye on the battlefield.

Versions


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Female Version


The female Medium tracklayer is armed with a shorter and thinner 50mm autocannon to deal with infantry and lighter vehicles compared to the larger cannon worn by the standard male variant even if the female variant is capable to lay down a massive amount of almost 400 rounds per minute which combined with its two machineguns makes the female variant able to hail a massive rain of destruction down upon its enemies and it have proven itself quite useful as a infantry support vehicle in larger battles

Drak hammare


Armed with an flamethrower so are the drakhammare class tracklayer designed to be used to clear out trenches, cities and dense jungles where enemies can easily find cover and could be able to hold out almost indefinitely against federal armour and infantry. However armed with the heavy flamethrower so is the drak hammare tracklayer able to launch thick flame at a target more than 100 meters away.

Howizer


Instead of being armed with the standard long 120mm canon so is the Howitzer variant armed with a short howitzer cannon which converts the tank into a attackgun that is more than able to provide covering fire as well as acting as a mobile artillery piece for the infantry and armoured units that would need to make sure that the enemy kept their heads down. As a result so are the howitzer tracklayers rarely equipped with self-propelled shells or anti tank shells but rather armed with high explosive artillery shells.

However due to the size of its cannon so does he howitzer sacrifice range for the ability to fire indirectly at enemy targets.

Self-propelled shell version

Armed with six longrange missiles so is this variant a long range support vehicle as it can fire at targets at a much greater distance than the normal cannon is able to do, it is also equipped with a better targeting computer which enables it to also carry SAM's to deal with incoming airplanes.
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Postby Ularn » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:57 am

Imeriata wrote:-SNIP-

So this is how many times we've posted the same content in three days? :P
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Postby Imeriata » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:06 am

Ularn wrote:So this is how many times we've posted the same content in three days? :P

lets see here, there have been three threads about the same thing... no wait... four of them! and I posted it once in the old tank thread... so five? well I chose a damned good time too finish the write up I must say!
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:25 am

Is that a KV-1?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:31 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=8983760#p8983760

Tis nice to look at as a close-combat infantry support vehicle. I'd use it if I wasn't US-based.

It's A Russian BMPT, a T-72 hull with an autocannon and ATGM-launching turret, with some armour plate welded over it.
FYI to the artist, the autocannon is some distance inboard of the ATGM tubes. That plate probably block sensors somewhere.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:32 am

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The People's Standing Army uses the Samozniy Workshops Heavy Armoured Vehicle Type 2 (SW-HAV-2) "King David" battle tank.
The current-issue variant is the HAV-2-X Mod 2 (HAV-2 Mod 4)/ILS.
The ILS, or Improved Lethality System, package replaces the Commander's RWS (which normally holds either the CSW-1 "Shrike" 14.5x114mm machine gun, CSW-1B "Shrike Para" 12.7x99mm machine gun or an SAW-3 "Kodkod" 7.62x51mm GPMG) with a light turret mounting a CSW-10 25x145mm chain-driven autocannon with co-axial SAW-3 (alternatively a heavier CSW-9 30x165mm autocannon at reduced ammunition capacity), and placing a modified CSW-1 (CSW-1D) as a co-axial to the tank's main gun.
The main gun is a 125mm system derived from the Russian 2A46/M tank armament, and mated with a new case-based propellant, giving round dimension of 125x525mm.

The powertrain of the Mod 4 is the Forza Greentank diesel-electric hybrid drive, as opposed to the original (and export) D/E powertrain, that ran solely from an electric engine powered from a heavy diesel engine.
Whilst this adds a gearbox to the system, the different power production method, as well as the improved fuel consumption and energy use, comes with multiple benefits to performance and capability.

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Postby Imeriata » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:36 am

Purpelia wrote:Is that a KV-1?

It is actually based on the Renault FT
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:40 am

Imeriata wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Is that a KV-1?

It is actually based on the Renault FT

But that thing is cute and cuddly. Yours is the size of a small mountain. I guess it sort of resembles the FT. Had the FT been made to be driven by frost giants.
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Postby Risen Britannia » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:45 am

Well seeing as it was the lastest tank I drew, I guess I'm using this:
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