Andaluciae wrote:
I understand your causal relationship up until "=Lot's of guns". Doesn't necessarily seem to form a causal link between the former and the latter.
Yeah, I think that = sign should be replaced with the word "with"
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by New Genoa » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:08 am
Andaluciae wrote:
I understand your causal relationship up until "=Lot's of guns". Doesn't necessarily seem to form a causal link between the former and the latter.
by Andaluciae » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:11 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Robarya wrote:The Magic Spirit wrote:So that's the real issue. You consider hiding sissy behavior to a point where you don't care about statistics that say a gun isn't actually protecting your family. I consider violence wrong unless you're absolutely 100% you're in mortal peril. That's where we differ.Robarya wrote:I would personally be willing to kill someone for stealing an Euro from me, but besides that: Why should one put oneself at the mercy of a burglar, when you are not even aware of his intentions? I would personally not give a shit about statistics. I would do what I could do neutralize the threat rather than hiding in a closet sobbing like a little sissy faggot.
In a situation where I might have to use self-defense to keep myself and my family alive, I won't rely on the good will of the home invader to spare us, no matter what statistics say.
Using a gun in self-defense is no more likely to reduce the chance of being injured during a crime than various other forms of protective action.
Of the 30,694 Americans who died by gunfire in 2005, only 147 were killed by firearms (and only 123 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.
A study reviewing surveys of gun use in the U.S. determined that most self-reported self-defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society
http://www.lcav.org/resources/gun_viole ... tics.asp#7
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Andaluciae » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:12 am
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Skeptikosia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:10 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Derscon wrote:
Having a gun helps me shoot someone, but having a gun doesn't necessitate I shoot someone.
Having no gun at all, will help you not to shoot someone, never.
Maybe you're a sane person, but not all people that are involved in a shooting are nutcases. When guns are around, 'accidents' can happen.
Humans are highly aggressive animals that can kill each other for nothing. It’s not smart to feed those dangerous animals with extreme lethal toys as guns.
by Skeptikosia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:13 am
Barringtonia wrote:How many school shooters are actually bullied - I've often thought this was somewhat of a myth and, in fact, bullies are more likely to be school shooters than those bullied.
by Station 12 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:15 am
Birnadia wrote:JOY unit is perfection. JOY unit cannot be questioned.
Verlorenen wrote:I might be a cold-hearted fascist, but honestly - Station 12, your posts scare the living hell out of me.
Manahakatouki wrote:I would but you scare the crap out of me....your nation anyway.....
New Caldaris wrote:LOL dude i rarely see your posts but when i do i am either laughing or terrified at the thought someone could even say something so sinister and evil.
Lockswania wrote:Station twelve, you scare me.
The Eurasican Union wrote:Station 12, My leader might be corrupt and evil on the inside, but if he was on your station, he'd jump into space as a form of suicide.
by Skeptikosia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:24 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:In 2006, Guns Murdered:
18 in Austria
27 in Australia
59 in England & Wales
60 in Spain
190 in Canada
194 in Germany
10,177 in the United States
God Bless America
by Station 12 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:27 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:In 2006, Guns Murdered:
18 in Austria
27 in Australia
59 in England & Wales
60 in Spain
190 in Canada
194 in Germany
10,177 in the United States
God Bless America
Birnadia wrote:JOY unit is perfection. JOY unit cannot be questioned.
Verlorenen wrote:I might be a cold-hearted fascist, but honestly - Station 12, your posts scare the living hell out of me.
Manahakatouki wrote:I would but you scare the crap out of me....your nation anyway.....
New Caldaris wrote:LOL dude i rarely see your posts but when i do i am either laughing or terrified at the thought someone could even say something so sinister and evil.
Lockswania wrote:Station twelve, you scare me.
The Eurasican Union wrote:Station 12, My leader might be corrupt and evil on the inside, but if he was on your station, he'd jump into space as a form of suicide.
by H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:28 am
by Skeptikosia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:29 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Since some suggest that Americans are more depressive & violent as other people, why not stay in USA...
Let's make a top 5 of the states with the highest gun death rates, and let's make a top 5 with the lowest gun death rates.
Then let's check the household gun ownership of those states.
State......................Household Gun Ownership..............Gun Death Rate per 100,000
1 Louisiana................45.6 %......................................19.58
2 Alabama.................57.2 %......................................16.99
3 Alaska...................60.6 %......................................16.38
4 Mississippi..............54.3 %......................................16.38
5 Nevada..................31.5%.......................................16.25
46 New York..............18.1%........................................5.20
47 Connecticut...........16.2%........................................4.95
48 Rhode Island..........13.3%........................................4.43
49 Massachusetts........12.8%........................................3.28
50 Hawaii.................9.7%.........................................2.58
by Skeptikosia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:32 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Kinstantia wrote:Hairless Kitten II wrote:Since some suggest that Americans are more depressive & violent as other people, why not stay in USA...
Let's make a top 5 of the states with the highest gun death rates, and let's make a top 5 with the lowest gun death rates.
Then let's check the household gun ownership of those states.
State......................Household Gun Ownership..............Gun Death Rate per 100,000
1 Louisiana................45.6 %......................................19.58
2 Alabama.................57.2 %......................................16.99
3 Alaska...................60.6 %......................................16.38
4 Mississippi..............54.3 %......................................16.38
5 Nevada..................31.5%.......................................16.25
46 New York..............18.1%........................................5.20
47 Connecticut...........16.2%........................................4.95
48 Rhode Island..........13.3%........................................4.43
49 Massachusetts........12.8%........................................3.28
50 Hawaii.................9.7%.........................................2.58
I see a portion of number, but not the complete set. And, I see that there isn't anything other than the numbers present. What are the laws in each state for owning guns? What constitutes gun violence in each state? Is this just shootings that cause death, or death and injuries? I'm not quite sure what I am looking at.
You can find the report here:
http://www.vpc.org/press/0905gundeath.htm
by Skeptikosia » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:37 am
The Magic Spirit wrote:So suppose you're burgled. Why shoot the burglar? You can just as easily call 911. If he happens to be armed, you can hit him over the head with a shovel or simply hide in your attic. I'm not saying you want to shoot everyone else who has a gun; I'm saying that if you shoot the burglar, other people will want to protect themselves from burglars too, you run the risk of going to jail for shooting someone (especially if they're not armed) and burglars will arm themselves to protect themselves from homeowners. In the Netherlands that doesn't happen because burglars don't fear getting shot by the homeowner. The whole fear and protect thing is only bringing more guns into circulation and causing more risk.Der Teutoniker wrote:The Magic Spirit wrote:all you're doing is feed the negative spiral. Defending yourself from aggressors with a gun makes you an aggressor yourself that other people will want to protect themselves from.
Really? I want to own a gun to protect myself, and my family from things like burglars, or tyrants. I don't want a gun to protect myself from my CCW permit-carrying coworker that keeps a gun in his car, and owns several at home, and frequently shoots them.
Americans want to protect themselves... not to shoot everyone else who has a gun. But... I guess maybe in bizarro world such logic would apply.
By the way, if you own a gun you're 4.5x more likely to be shot in an assault by someone else protecting themselves from your gun (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 121512.htm) and let's not forget the accidental deaths. You can't get hurt in a gun accident at home if there are no guns there. I'll keep looking for the stats on accidental gun deaths, but again the amount of people who die as a result of accidents with otherwise unused guns is depressing to see too. Do you really believe it protects you and your family to have a deathly weapon around the place? What if an otherwise unarmed burglar finds the weapon?
If you burglarproof your house (lock windows and doors, install some outdoor lighting and perhaps install an alarm system) the chance the burglar will pick your place will be immensely reduced. No one dies and you still have your stuff.
by Parthenon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:55 am
by Neo Art » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:58 am
Parthenon wrote:Kittens, have you ever had a fucking coworker kidnapped, robbed, brutally tortured with four .22 shots to the body, executed with a shotgun blast to the head, and left for dead in a cul-de-sac?
by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:59 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Der Teutoniker wrote:Hairless Kitten II wrote:Why do looooove Americans their gun?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqh6Ap9ldTs
Youtube video of a propoganda film is easily the best evidence to be found anywhere.
Propaganda film? Not even close.
If the information in his film was false then institutions as NRA would sue him till he's death.
They didn't.
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by Parthenon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:00 am
Neo Art wrote:Parthenon wrote:Kittens, have you ever had a fucking coworker kidnapped, robbed, brutally tortured with four .22 shots to the body, executed with a shotgun blast to the head, and left for dead in a cul-de-sac?
I've had 12 coworkers shot with howitzers and left in low earth orbit!
My story has as much backing as yours.
by Neo Art » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:02 am
Parthenon wrote:
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/20 ... utopsy.pdf
And mine has a fucking autopsy report. Don't fucking tell me my coworker wasn't murdered.
by The_pantless_hero » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:03 am
Parthenon wrote:Neo Art wrote:Parthenon wrote:Kittens, have you ever had a fucking coworker kidnapped, robbed, brutally tortured with four .22 shots to the body, executed with a shotgun blast to the head, and left for dead in a cul-de-sac?
I've had 12 coworkers shot with howitzers and left in low earth orbit!
My story has as much backing as yours.
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/20 ... utopsy.pdf
And mine has a fucking autopsy report. Don't fucking tell me my coworker wasn't murdered.
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by Parthenon » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:08 am
Neo Art wrote:Parthenon wrote:
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/20 ... utopsy.pdf
And mine has a fucking autopsy report. Don't fucking tell me my coworker wasn't murdered.
Oh wow, an autopsy report, that MUST validate that this happened to someone you know. You'll forgive me for not going too much into this with you though. A dear friend of mine died recently, and I'm too distraught over it. Perhaps you read about it.
By the way Parthy, thank you for reminding me to update my signature. How'd that email turn out? I regret that Michael Savage still hasn't sued me yet.
by Neo Art » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:10 am
Parthenon wrote:I say this in the nicest and least flaming way possible,
but go fuck yourself you hypocritical bastard. You go and whine to moderation when I say even the most polite of comments about suicide because you "KNEW SOMEONE" yet here you are calling the execution of my fucking coworker a god damned lie.
by Bunyippie » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:10 am
Farnhamia wrote:Okay, I give. Yes, you may ... have sex with your household pets. Just, please, try to keep the noise down.
by EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:10 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:In 2006, Guns Murdered:
18 in Austria
27 in Australia
59 in England & Wales
60 in Spain
190 in Canada
194 in Germany
10,177 in the United States
God Bless America
by Station 12 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:14 am
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:I'm not suggesting that the gunmen should be shooting to kill.
Birnadia wrote:JOY unit is perfection. JOY unit cannot be questioned.
Verlorenen wrote:I might be a cold-hearted fascist, but honestly - Station 12, your posts scare the living hell out of me.
Manahakatouki wrote:I would but you scare the crap out of me....your nation anyway.....
New Caldaris wrote:LOL dude i rarely see your posts but when i do i am either laughing or terrified at the thought someone could even say something so sinister and evil.
Lockswania wrote:Station twelve, you scare me.
The Eurasican Union wrote:Station 12, My leader might be corrupt and evil on the inside, but if he was on your station, he'd jump into space as a form of suicide.
by Czardas » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:36 am
Parthenon wrote:Neo Art wrote:Parthenon wrote:
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/20 ... utopsy.pdf
And mine has a fucking autopsy report. Don't fucking tell me my coworker wasn't murdered.
Oh wow, an autopsy report, that MUST validate that this happened to someone you know. You'll forgive me for not going too much into this with you though. A dear friend of mine died recently, and I'm too distraught over it. Perhaps you read about it.
By the way Parthy, thank you for reminding me to update my signature. How'd that email turn out? I regret that Michael Savage still hasn't sued me yet.
I say this in the nicest and least flaming way possible, go fuck yourself. You make me sick.
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