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[SUBMITTED] Humane Livestock Marking Act

Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:37 pm

An Act To Improve The Wellbeing and Treatment Of Livestock
Strength - Significant
Category - Moral Decency


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APPALLED by the long-held agricultural tradition of branding livestock as a method to mark them as a defence against loss and theft

NOTING that the pain inflicted upon livestock in the process of branding is extreme and completely unnecessary with available marking procedures

FEELING that the branding process is barbaric and cruel

DEFINING the process of branding as the marking of the hide, skin or pelt of livestock using a heated or cooled (in the case of freeze branding) implement to burn an insignia or mark of ownership into the hide of the animal for any purpose

HEREBY MANDATES that all livestock be humanely marked using methods that do not inflict pain, and minimize suffering, distress and physical damage to the animal, such as paints, dyes and pigments

HEREBY MANDATES that any paints, dyes or pigments used be non-toxic and utilise no chemicals that are directly or perceivably harmful to the health and wellbeing of the animal.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:38 pm

Category and strength?

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Addendum: "Animal Welfare" is not an available category for proposals, ambassador.
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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:43 pm

His Most Citrusy would like to extend his apologies to the General Assembly for any errors within this act.
His Most Citrusy has never submitted anything to the floor before and requests a level of tolerance to his mistakes, and guiding advice while he corrects them.
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Postby Moronist Decisions » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:44 pm

HEREBY MANDATES that all cattle be humanely marked using methods that do not inflict pain, suffering or physical damage to the cattle, such as paints, dyes and pigments.


Since any form of marking will cause physical damage, this forbids all forms of marking.

Also, why just cattle?
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Postby Andrewsburgville » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:45 pm

I say it s decent, but as stated above, makes it really difficult to mark cattle humanely. Good one for the first time though!
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:46 pm

Don't worry ambassador. Not all of the nations whose representatives roam these halls are vicious.

I would recommend heading over to the WA Library and reading up on the types of categories available for proposal submission.

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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:49 pm

Moronist Decisions wrote:
HEREBY MANDATES that all cattle be humanely marked using methods that do not inflict pain, suffering or physical damage to the cattle, such as paints, dyes and pigments.


Since any form of marking will cause physical damage, this forbids all forms of marking.

Also, why just cattle?


How does a paint or dye cause damage? His Most Citrusy feels that if one is willing to go to such a length as to burn animals as proof of ownership, repainting the animal occasionally is surely something one is willing to do in the pursuit of proof.

EDIT: I would also imagine there are methods of permanantly dying the hide.

I have considered the cattle points, and have modified the act to cover all livestock.
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Postby Ossitania » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:51 pm

All marking causes physical damage? What? Why can't they be marked with paint like sheep are?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:52 pm

Ossitania wrote:All marking causes physical damage? What? Why can't they be marked with paint like sheep are?

I believe this is what this proposal is attempting to do, ambassador.

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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:53 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ossitania wrote:All marking causes physical damage? What? Why can't they be marked with paint like sheep are?

I believe this is what this proposal is attempting to do, ambassador.

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Exactly.
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Postby Ossitania » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:55 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ossitania wrote:All marking causes physical damage? What? Why can't they be marked with paint like sheep are?

I believe this is what this proposal is attempting to do, ambassador.

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Yes, but the ambassador from Moronist Decisions has argued that all marking causes physical damage. I am querying him as to why.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:00 pm

Ossitania wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I believe this is what this proposal is attempting to do, ambassador.

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Yes, but the ambassador from Moronist Decisions has argued that all marking causes physical damage. I am querying him as to why.

I believe that his argument would be that paint would leave markings on the hide, which, if you stretch the definition of physical damage enough, is technically damage, as the chemicals in the dyes can sink into the skin and harm the livestock.

But I would like to see his argument as well.

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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:01 pm

I would like to just mention that the act has now been officially updated to cover all livestock now, not just cattle.
I feel that the rights of livestock in general are very much overlooked, and I will likely be proposing further legislation in regards to livestock welfare.
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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:03 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ossitania wrote:
Yes, but the ambassador from Moronist Decisions has argued that all marking causes physical damage. I am querying him as to why.

I believe that his argument would be that paint would leave markings on the hide, which, if you stretch the definition of physical damage enough, is technically damage, as the chemicals in the dyes can sink into the skin and harm the livestock.

But I would like to see his argument as well.

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The Proposal already says that the method must cause no physical harm; I feel that this automatically covers toxins in the dye, mandating the use of non-toxic dyes.
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Postby Moronist Decisions » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:07 pm

Yes, but the ambassador from Moronist Decisions has argued that all marking causes physical damage. I am querying him as to why.


The point is that any form of permanent marking can be considered damage (even modern tattooing). Also, I'm sure the animal doesn't enjoy the procedure.

I'd recommend writing

HEREBY MANDATES that all livestock be humanely marked using methods that minimizes pain, suffering or physical damage to the animal, such as paints, dyes and pigments.


Not sure we support this particular proposal though.
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Postby Cowardly Pacifists » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:09 pm

Lemonacia wrote:HEREBY MANDATES that all livestock be humanely marked using methods that do not inflict pain, suffering or physical damage to the animal, such as paints, dyes and pigments.

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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:10 pm

Moronist Decisions wrote:
Yes, but the ambassador from Moronist Decisions has argued that all marking causes physical damage. I am querying him as to why.


The point is that any form of permanent marking can be considered damage (even modern tattooing). Also, I'm sure the animal doesn't enjoy the procedure.

I'd recommend writing

HEREBY MANDATES that all livestock be humanely marked using methods that minimizes pain, suffering or physical damage to the animal, such as paints, dyes and pigments.


Not sure we support this particular proposal though.


I have taken on board your suggestion and will be updating the proposal.
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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:18 pm

The proposal has been updated.
I have also increased the strength to Medium, in accordance with the broadening of this proposal to all livestock.

His Most Citrusy would like to query members of the WA as to whether they feel a clause such as

"HEREBY OUTLAWS the process of livestock branding"

would be a worthwhile addition to the proposal, or if it is unneeded?

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Lemonacia wrote:HEREBY MANDATES that all livestock be humanely marked using methods that do not inflict pain, suffering or physical damage to the animal, such as paints, dyes and pigments.

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His Most Citrusy raises the point that he does not wish to be proposing the animal version of the Indigo Mandate.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:21 pm

Lemonacia wrote:The proposal has been updated.
I have also increased the strength to Medium, in accordance with the broadening of this proposal to all livestock.

His Most Citrusy would like to query members of the WA as to whether they feel a clause such as

"HEREBY OUTLAWS the process of livestock branding"

would be a worthwhile addition to the proposal, or if it is unneeded?

Not needed. That can be interpreted as a contradiction to said proposal.

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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:23 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Lemonacia wrote:The proposal has been updated.
I have also increased the strength to Medium, in accordance with the broadening of this proposal to all livestock.

His Most Citrusy would like to query members of the WA as to whether they feel a clause such as

"HEREBY OUTLAWS the process of livestock branding"

would be a worthwhile addition to the proposal, or if it is unneeded?

Not needed. That can be interpreted as a contradiction to said proposal.

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Thank you for the feedback.
Could you please explain how it could be interpreted that way? I don't intend to add it now, but it would if I knew so I could learn from my mistake.
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Postby Moronist Decisions » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:26 pm

I have also increased the strength to Medium, in accordance with the broadening of this proposal to all livestock.


Medium is not an available strength. "Significant" might be better.
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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:28 pm

Moronist Decisions wrote:
I have also increased the strength to Medium, in accordance with the broadening of this proposal to all livestock.


Medium is not an available strength. "Significant" might be better.


Thank you for correcting me. My mistake.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:39 pm

Lemonacia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Not needed. That can be interpreted as a contradiction to said proposal.

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Thank you for the feedback.
Could you please explain how it could be interpreted that way? I don't intend to add it now, but it would if I knew so I could learn from my mistake.

Basically, branding can mean either literal branding, as in burning hot cattle prods, or branding as in tattoos or dyes. You want the livestock to be branded in more humane ways.

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Postby Lemonacia » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:46 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Lemonacia wrote:
Thank you for the feedback.
Could you please explain how it could be interpreted that way? I don't intend to add it now, but it would if I knew so I could learn from my mistake.

Basically, branding can mean either literal branding, as in burning hot cattle prods, or branding as in tattoos or dyes. You want the livestock to be branded in more humane ways.

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I defined branding within the proposal. But, I see what you mean.
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:32 am

I fully support this resolution. Thanks for writing something like this.
Lemonacia wrote:NOTING that the pain inflicted upon livestock in the process of branding is extreme and completely unnecassary with available marking procedures

The word 'unnecessary' has a spelling error.

Lemonacia wrote:DEFINING the process of branding as the marking of the hide of livestock using a heated or cooled (in the case of freeze branding) implement to burn an insignia or mark of ownership into the hide of the animal for any purpose

I noted you have since changed the proposal to include "all livestock", however, it seems that the definition is still largely meant for cattle. Perhaps change the word "hide" to something else? I rarely see the word apply to anything other than cattle.
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