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Postby Shofercia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:41 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Shofercia wrote:So according to that definition, both English and French cultures are Western Cultures, right? So then, English Culture = French Culture?

Why are they equivalent?

Western Culture is like a language family. French and Spanish are both Romance languages, but French /=/ Spanish.


Right. So then, could a person of British Culture, insult French Culture?
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Postby Norstal » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:44 pm

Shofercia wrote:Actually, a man who believes that ghosts and zombies can exist, in an alternate universe, isn't crazy. If one believes that the World is infinite, which is a reasonable belief, then one can reasonably believe that ghosts and zombies exist out there, somewhere. Modern society calls people crazy if they believe that ghosts exist on Earth, i.e. on this planet, at this time. Then again, modern society also listens to Rebecca Black.

God, unlike zombies, isn't limited to this planet. God is Universal. There's nothing wrong with believing in God, and there's nothing crazy about it.

Which man sounds more insane, A, B or C?

A believes that zombies are on his tail, about to kill him.
B believes that zombies are harmless creatures, roaming Earth.
C believes that zombies do not exist on Earth, but might exist elsewhere.

All of them live in the same place, let's say in Switzerland.

Which one is more reasonable, if you had to pick? Odds are, that you'd pick A. Why? the all believe that zombies might exist, why pick A? Well, that's because you have facts to actually disprove A's claim, whereas you lack facts to disprove C's claim.

I'm not saying that believing in god makes you crazy. It can be rational...to you. Irrational to others. YOUR god is universal. YOUR god is unlimited. Other people's concept of god is different. Therefore I don't need to prove anything to you. In fact, if I believe in a god that is limited to this planet, limited to this solar system, I don't have to prove it. It is you who have to convince me otherwise.
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Postby Hungramy » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:44 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:Why are they equivalent?

Western Culture is like a language family. French and Spanish are both Romance languages, but French /=/ Spanish.


Right. So then, could a person of British Culture, insult French Culture?

All european languages are latin based(beside Finnish and Hungarian).

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:44 pm

happy unzombie day for people who don't believe in zombies.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 pm

Shofercia wrote:Right. So then, could a person of British Culture, insult French Culture?

Certainly. But Christianity is a common thread across Western culture. Anyone insulting it would not be insulting a culture different from their own. Just as a British person can insult aspects of British culture, people of the West can insult aspects of Western culture.

You said...
Shofercia wrote:I want to sarcastically thank the OP for displaying a level of tolerance and understanding to a culture that's different than his own.

... But Christianity is a part of his culture. He's insulting a part of a culture that is his own.

Not that I've much respect for the position that because it's mildly mocking it's terrible and intolerant.
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Postby Cu Math » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 pm

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Cu Math wrote:Yet you quoted him as an authority, and he has declared things off the top of his head that became christian teachings!

Source.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01648a.htm (immortality of the soul)
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/trinity.htm (divinity of christ/trinity)
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Postby Old Geneva » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 pm

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 pm

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Soviet Canuckistan wrote:My hands aren't covered in faces so no and good night all, I'll be back :)


I certainly hope there are no faces on your hands. You meant feces.

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Postby Russograd » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 pm

I love how the majority of the people here mocking Christians are these rainbow clad "Bronies."

Just another reason why they mere garbage.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:45 pm

Norstal wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Actually, a man who believes that ghosts and zombies can exist, in an alternate universe, isn't crazy. If one believes that the World is infinite, which is a reasonable belief, then one can reasonably believe that ghosts and zombies exist out there, somewhere. Modern society calls people crazy if they believe that ghosts exist on Earth, i.e. on this planet, at this time. Then again, modern society also listens to Rebecca Black.

God, unlike zombies, isn't limited to this planet. God is Universal. There's nothing wrong with believing in God, and there's nothing crazy about it.

Which man sounds more insane, A, B or C?

A believes that zombies are on his tail, about to kill him.
B believes that zombies are harmless creatures, roaming Earth.
C believes that zombies do not exist on Earth, but might exist elsewhere.

All of them live in the same place, let's say in Switzerland.

Which one is more reasonable, if you had to pick? Odds are, that you'd pick A. Why? the all believe that zombies might exist, why pick A? Well, that's because you have facts to actually disprove A's claim, whereas you lack facts to disprove C's claim.

I'm not saying that believing in god makes you crazy. It can be rational...to you. Irrational to others. YOUR god is universal. YOUR god is unlimited. Other people's concept of god is different. Therefore I don't need to prove anything to you. In fact, if I believe in a god that is limited to this planet, limited to this solar system, I don't have to prove it. It is you who have to convince me otherwise.


Except I wasn't proving God's existence in that post. I was just showing that a reasonable person can believe that God exists. Have I shown that?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:46 pm

Hungramy wrote:All european languages are latin based(beside Finnish and Hungarian).

German, Scottish, English, Basque, Welsh, etc etc.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hungramy wrote:All european languages are latin based(beside Finnish and Hungarian).

German, Scottish, English, Basque, Welsh, etc etc.

Very influenced by Latin.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:47 pm

Condunum wrote:Very influenced by Latin.

Not Latin based. Germanic.
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Postby Renascibilitas » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:47 pm

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Soviet Canuckistan wrote:My hands aren't covered in faces so no and good night all, I'll be back :)


I certainly hope there are no faces on your hands. You meant feces.


Way to steal my joke! >:(
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Hungramy wrote:All european languages are latin based(beside Finnish and Hungarian).

German, Scottish, English, Basque, Welsh, etc etc.

And the Slavic languages and the answer isn't Latin but proto-indo-european
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Postby Cu Math » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:47 pm

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Condunum wrote:Yes, that would be the one I'm referencing. Not just the Romans, but all cultures with a holiday for the solstice. Even if it was a bullshit move, it's a pretty brilliant move on their part.

Because Saturnalia ends before Christmas, Christmas has very few Saturnalian trappings, edicts to stop celebrations of Saturnalia, Brumalia, the Kalends, persisted well into the Christian age, etc.

All proof points to Jesus being born in spring. Nowhere near december. And december 25 is verrrrry close to the solstice, a holy day to romans as well
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Postby Condunum » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Condunum wrote:Very influenced by Latin.

Not Latin based. Germanic.

I'll grant you that one.
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:49 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Greater Tezdrian wrote:Source.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01648a.htm (immortality of the soul)
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/trinity.htm (divinity of christ/trinity)

I) Has nothing to do with Benedict, and was certainly not 'off the top of his head'. I do believe that has since been adopted as an infallible Article of the Faith.

II) Mystery of the Faith adopted through a series of councils, not a single pope.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:49 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Condunum wrote:Very influenced by Latin.

Not Latin based. Germanic.

He said influenced not based, those are different, French is based in latin but has English influences
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Postby Condunum » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:50 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Not Latin based. Germanic.

He said influenced not based, those are different, French is based in latin but has English influences

Actually, that's reversed. English is influenced by French, while French has very few borrowed words, mostly from the modern age, and very few words that were a perversion of English.
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:50 pm

Cu Math wrote:And december 25 is verrrrry close to the solstice, a holy day to romans as well

What? The Solstice isn't a festival day.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:52 pm

Condunum wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:He said influenced not based, those are different, French is based in latin but has English influences

Actually, that's reversed. English is influenced by French, while French has very few borrowed words, mostly from the modern age, and very few words that were a perversion of English.

There's a lot of anglicisms Both are influenced by each other
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Postby New Emmerian Coalition » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:52 pm

Trolling much? I don't know about you, but I plan to enjoy my family and enjoy some reasonable games. Christians like myself celebrate Easter with fun times, prayers, and Mortal Kombat. <---- Seems crazy? Nope. Because, I am not hurting others (physically) and I am enjoying Family Fun, because Jesus taught us to love and care for one another (and I splurge with mortal kombat) and be with our families, and nothing states you need to be perfectly pish posh on Easter and that you should not do anything but eat and pray, even though it helps to.
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Postby Cu Math » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:53 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:

I) Has nothing to do with Benedict, and was certainly not 'off the top of his head'. I do believe that has since been adopted as an infallible Article of the Faith.

II) Mystery of the Faith adopted through a series of councils, not a single pope.

1) i meant the pope as the office, not benedict. Otherwise, he is immortal :shock:
2) Again, but the fact remains it isn't part of the testament, yet is taught as such. Man is fallible, so these cannot be shown as holy law.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:53 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Norstal wrote:I'm not saying that believing in god makes you crazy. It can be rational...to you. Irrational to others. YOUR god is universal. YOUR god is unlimited. Other people's concept of god is different. Therefore I don't need to prove anything to you. In fact, if I believe in a god that is limited to this planet, limited to this solar system, I don't have to prove it. It is you who have to convince me otherwise.


Except I wasn't proving God's existence in that post. I was just showing that a reasonable person can believe that God exists. Have I shown that?

Look, this is what you said:

Religion is based on Faith. Soviet Canuckistan is pointing that out, by requiring atheists to show proof. How does that make him a hypocrite?

You can't prove God. You can't disprove God. Religion is Faith based. Math is number based. History is story based. You don't demand Integral Calculus to be used by Civil War Scholars in filming documentaries, do you? Then why demand that something that's Faith based, be factually proven?


I'm frankly tired of theists asking anyone to proof god's existence because that's nonsensical. I might've read your post wrong, but really, no theist should ask how to disprove their own god.
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