A lot of people didn't take them seriously back in 2005, perhaps they should have.
Advertisement
by Hydesland » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:16 am
Shofercia wrote: This means that, according to the Economist, two out of the following three, i.e. North Korea and Congo, Congo and Zimbabwe, or North Korea and Zimbabwe, are actually less authoritarian, than either Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Chad.
by Allrule » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:12 pm
Hydesland wrote:Shofercia wrote: This means that, according to the Economist, two out of the following three, i.e. North Korea and Congo, Congo and Zimbabwe, or North Korea and Zimbabwe, are actually less authoritarian, than either Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Chad.
Now, Allrule, can you please tell me what that has to do with whether the order is descending or ascending? Or will you admit to yet another failed strawman?
Sometimes the fact that its research comes up with counter-intuitive results is why the paper is actually good, conventional wisdom is not always correct. Just because a few of the results are counter to your own preconceived notions does NOT make the index rubbish, perhaps it is in fact your own preconceptions which are crap? Also, this is NOT simply a ranking based on one subjective view by one journalist at the paper, according to The Economist they're based on a survey of 60 questions handed out to different experts for each country as well as from public surveys. The survey is the same for each country. Furthermore, since this is strictly a measure of democratic freedom, not of the overall quality of living (economic standard of living is not included in the survey), it is not a broad measure of quality of life or standard of living, only political freedom.
by Keronians » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:20 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:21 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Keronians » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:22 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:23 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Keronians » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:25 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:25 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Keronians » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:27 pm
by Shofercia » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:45 am
Hydesland wrote:Shofercia wrote: This means that, according to the Economist, two out of the following three, i.e. North Korea and Congo, Congo and Zimbabwe, or North Korea and Zimbabwe, are actually less authoritarian, than either Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Chad.
Now, Allrule, can you please tell me what that has to do with whether the order is descending or ascending? Or will you admit to yet another failed strawman?
Sometimes the fact that its research comes up with counter-intuitive results is why the paper is actually good, conventional wisdom is not always correct. Just because a few of the results are counter to your own preconceived notions does NOT make the index rubbish, perhaps it is in fact your own preconceptions which are crap? Also, this is NOT simply a ranking based on one subjective view by one journalist at the paper, according to The Economist they're based on a survey of 60 questions handed out to different experts for each country as well as from public surveys. The survey is the same for each country. Furthermore, since this is strictly a measure of democratic freedom, not of the overall quality of living (economic standard of living is not included in the survey), it is not a broad measure of quality of life or standard of living, only political freedom.
Never mind that Russia is itself being incoherent in continuing to insist that Kosovo’s independence from Serbia is still illegal (a stance driven in part by its wish to avoid setting a precedent for Chechnya or other restive republics within Russia).
Throughout the 1990s the Americans were extremely reluctant to get involved in the Balkans.
[Russia] did its utmost to provoke Mr Saakashvili into a fight.
Everyone was a loser in the war that cost 850 lives and left over 35,000 displaced civilians, most of them Georgian.
The roots of the war go back a decade, and lie in Russia’s ambition to impose its influence in its near abroad, clashing with Georgia’s ambition to move closer to the West and its obsession with bringing the breakaway regions under control.
Ever since Mr Putin came to power in 2000, Russia tightened its links with South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Hydesland wrote:Shofercia wrote: This means that, according to the Economist, two out of the following three, i.e. North Korea and Congo, Congo and Zimbabwe, or North Korea and Zimbabwe, are actually less authoritarian, than either Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Chad.
Let's decompose the results:
For Zimbabwe we have:
Electoral process and pluralism II Functioning of government III Political participation IV Political culture V Civil liberties
0.00 1.29 3.89 5.00 3.24
For Turkmenistan we have:
Electoral process and pluralism II Functioning of government III Political participation IV Political culture V Civil liberties
0.00 0.79 2.22 5.00 0.59
Which part of these categories do you disagree with in how the countries are compared?
edit: errr didn't realise the post ignored all my spaces separating out the numbers, ah well really can't be fucked to fix it
by The Greater Aryan Race » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:50 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Allrule » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:57 am
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Does anyone know what Singapore's classification is?
by Allrule » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:59 am
Shofercia wrote:
What are the questions? Who are these experts? And why do I have to register in order to download the report? http://www.eiu.com/public/topical_repor ... yIndex2011
by The Greater Aryan Race » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:45 am
Allrule wrote:Hybrid regime, with a score of 5.89.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Shofercia » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:29 am
Allrule wrote:Shofercia wrote:
What are the questions? Who are these experts? And why do I have to register in order to download the report? http://www.eiu.com/public/topical_repor ... yIndex2011
The trope "Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking" comes to mind... Yeah, big injustice, having to take round 30 seconds of your precious time to fill out a free registration form, really.
by Costa Fiero » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:41 pm
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Wait what? A hybrid regime? We have a fully functioning and capable democracy that has no electoral fraud whatsoever (although I wouldn't rule out gerrymandering). Singapore ought to be higher.
by New England and The Maritimes » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:46 pm
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.
by Conserative Morality » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:47 pm
New England and The Maritimes wrote:America should be a bit lower on the list, but the shocker to me is this idea that South Africa is somehow much better off than, say, Nigeria.
by New Conglomerate » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:47 pm
by Caninope » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:18 pm
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by The Greater Aryan Race » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:48 pm
Costa Fiero wrote:Singapore is a single party state. You vote for one party. Sure, there are others, but the government has means and ways of dealing with them.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Costa Fiero » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:51 pm
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:People can vote for any party they want, no one's stopping them. It's just that the PAP has the most successful track record by far. Of course one has to take into account the fact that trade unions are under government control, the media is under government control, education is under government control and etc.
by The Greater Aryan Race » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:55 pm
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Hurdergaryp, Infected Mushroom, Likhinia, Picairn, Republics of the Solar Union, Stratonesia, The Xenopolis Confederation, Valrifall, Yasuragi
Advertisement