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by Kanabia » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:50 am
by Meoton » Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:55 am
by Tekania » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:03 am
JuNii wrote:LOL!
I can just picture a Mac/PC commercial.
Mac: HI, I'm a Mac
PC: Hi, I'm a pc.
cust: and I'm a customer shopping on line... hmm... I can't Right Click...
Mac: oh, what you need to do is...
PC: *hands customer a PC mouse* here. use this.
Cust: but... it's a PC mouse
PC: yeah. so...
*Mac looks uncomfortable*
Cust: this PC device will work on a Mac?
PC: oh yeah.. no problem... just plug it in and go!
*Mac looks very Uncomfortable*
Cust: so... just plug this in... *starts to look Mac over*
*Mac looks VERY uncomfortable*
PC: well... show her where your port is... sport.
*Apple logo... the same apple logo with a bite taken out of it...*
by Techno-Soviet » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:06 am
by JuNii » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:09 am
Tekania wrote:A trained monkey could assemble a PC these days...
by Tekania » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:10 am
Techno-Soviet wrote:The fact that most Mac users I've seen are blisteringly stupid and moronic doesn't help either.
by Hairless Kitten II » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:14 am
Tekania wrote:Hairless Kitten II wrote:WINE and WINEX aren't answers. They don't work properly.
They work like they are supposed to... By providing an API layer for windows binaries to run in... It is an answer, for an interim issue. The ultimate answer being migration of commercial applications to binaries compiled for linux using either the GTK or Qt toolkit.
Virtually unneeded though, as just about any application there is for windows, there is available a free and/or commercial open-source equivalent which will work under Linux.
by JuNii » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:16 am
Testify Tekania...Tekania wrote:Techno-Soviet wrote:The fact that most Mac users I've seen are blisteringly stupid and moronic doesn't help either.
Most Windows users are blithering idiots too.... Trust me, I'm in IT... the average Windows user knows no more than the average Mac user... The Average computer user PERIOD is a blithering idiot.
by Tekania » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:23 am
by Tekania » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:41 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:They are supposed not to work. So you are right.
WINE doesn't work with most games & applications. The few that are working need a lot of tweaking before it eventually will work.
That's what they say in the Dutch wiki about WINE:
"Het Wine project loopt al sinds 1993. Wine is echter nog steeds maar beperkt effectief, veel programma's zijn niet onder Wine aan de gang te krijgen. Dit hoewel veel bedrijven grote investeringen in Wine gedaan hebben."
I'll translate:
"The Wine project has been going since 1993. Wine is still limited effective, many programs are not going to run under Wine. Although many companies have made large investments in Wine."
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine
Cedega (WINEX) isn't up to date anymore and is even worse than WINE.
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Are you suggesting that StarOffice is the same as MS Office? Are you suggesting that Linux is having a Visual Studio? Are you suggesting that Linux is counting an equal amount of games?
Hairless Kitten II wrote:For every free and/or commercial open-source project under Linux, you have zillion times more free and/or commercial open-source projects under Windows.
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Linux is nice in its niche, but I'm glad it is not a mainstream OS.
Hairless Kitten II wrote:I tell you this: Since 1991 I hear the Linux girls crying similar stuff like you are shouting. And like the Jehovah's Witnesses, they promised the final collapse of MS numerous times. It didn't happen and probably will never happen unless the context of the OS would change dramatically (like thin clients connected to super servers).
by Hairless Kitten II » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:25 am
Tekania wrote:
Cedega is so not up-to-date that their last version update was WAY back in the dark ages of last Thursday...
Tekania wrote:StarOffice / OpenOffice is the same as MicroSoft Office, I can create, edit and manipulate any document that MS Office can, so yes it is....
Tekania wrote:No, there is no Visual Studio... there are several hundred IDE (Integrated Development Environments) however... There would never be a Visual Studio, because what would be the point in an application whose only purpose is designing applications for a platform that it is not on....
Tekania wrote:"zillion"? How old are you, 6?
(oh Oh!, we gots like a gagillion-zillion more than you!)
Tekania wrote:Why? It's quite a capable system... It's also far more fault-tolerant than MicroSoft Windows... We also measure out uptime in years, rather than seconds
Tekania wrote:super-servers? Not going to have that anymore... Could connect thin-clients to a quad-core dell box and have multiple users on it with linux... Unlike Windows, Linux is an actual multi-user system...
Tekania wrote:Linux is just better designed...
Tekania wrote:Microsoft could be around awhile... still doesn't change the fact that the only reason they are is because the average computer user is a blithering idiot. And the market is driven by these blithering idiots.
by EvilDarkMagicians » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:30 am
by Mikertaz Kein » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:46 am
by Intangelon » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:50 am
by The Alma Mater » Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:29 am
by UNIverseVERSE » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:19 am
Gauthier wrote:The reason for the apparent virus-proofing of a Mac is because it's not as widespread and in use like PCs are. If Macs were the hardware and OS of choice through the information society there'd have been a bonanza of Mac-specific virus long ago.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:30 am
by UNIverseVERSE » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:49 am
Hairless Kitten II wrote:You can create, edit an manipulate documents with notepad too. MS Office is far richer in functionality as StarOffice, it can handle 3 or 4 times more languages, etc... It is also much more user-friendly. The document compatibility in StarOffice is a drama: works only with the older versions of MS Office and I wouldn’t use 'special' features as..oho...tables.
Hairless Kitten II wrote:And there are several thousands IDE for windows as well. But not one, and that's including the Linux variants, are matching the MS version in richness and user-friendly capacities.
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Sure, the flaming starts when we are out of arguments, isn't? Linux girls forget that the developers army on the Windows side is far bigger as on the Linux side. And many of them create free open source software too.
Hairless Kitten II wrote:No super-servers? Are you sure about that one? Larry Ellison of Oracle is still having wet dreams about it. And in what direction is Chrome OS pushing you think?
Hairless Kitten II wrote:I don't know and you don't know either unless you are one of the chief programmers at the OS department of MS. And even in that case...
by Hairless Kitten II » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:34 am
by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:52 am
Tekania wrote:JuNii wrote:LOL!
I can just picture a Mac/PC commercial.
Mac: HI, I'm a Mac
PC: Hi, I'm a pc.
cust: and I'm a customer shopping on line... hmm... I can't Right Click...
Mac: oh, what you need to do is...
PC: *hands customer a PC mouse* here. use this.
Cust: but... it's a PC mouse
PC: yeah. so...
*Mac looks uncomfortable*
Cust: this PC device will work on a Mac?
PC: oh yeah.. no problem... just plug it in and go!
*Mac looks very Uncomfortable*
Cust: so... just plug this in... *starts to look Mac over*
*Mac looks VERY uncomfortable*
PC: well... show her where your port is... sport.
*Apple logo... the same apple logo with a bite taken out of it...*
Also why I have so much contempt for the "PC Tech"... Their knowledge is limited to "PC's" (hate the term, because a Mac is a "PC" in the strict sense too)... Which generally means some Intel derivative descendant of IBM's line, as long as its running Windows... Pull them out of that and they are lost. I have this concept because, for years, I have supported "PC's" running Windows, Linux or some flavor of Unix, Sun SPARC based systems, usually running Solaris, Apple systems (whether the present Intel based systems, or the previous PowerPC based systems, all the way back to OS 7), worked on quite a few DEC Alpha systems (servers and workstations, running Windows NT 4, Red Hat, or Digital True64 Unix)... And remember back when even something as simple as installing a hard drive involved the complex settings of specific drive parameters, such as head, cylinder and sector counts for the drive to be usable (and when Hard Drives were pre-IDE, having completely seperate controller boards from the platter housing)... When upgrading ram meant actually pressing IC's into sockets, and having to look for the proper vendor for those expansions..
A trained monkey could assemble a PC these days...
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.
by Pure Metal » Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:32 am
by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:19 am
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.
by Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:41 am
NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc&feature=player_embedded
by East Coast Federation » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:14 am
by Taeshan » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:39 am
East Coast Federation wrote:Apple Computer products, they are the first people I will go to if I want a stupid overpriced computer.
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