World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[Newmanistan]

*Hopes Newmanistan has time to do a new All-World team*

Not really in my plans, but maybe tomorrow I can piece something together.

FYI: If you are wondering, my RP theme for this Classic is acceptable based on OBI regional IC-canon.

[Newmanistan]

(1) Milchama, by tiebreakers, would normally have been thirteenth. Since that would have created an group stage rematch, they were switched with normally fourteenth-seeded Qazox.

It's a very minor detail, big picture.... but wondering what the problem is with creating a group stage rematch? It's never stopped me in seeding something in anything.

[Qazox]

(1) Milchama, by tiebreakers, would normally have been thirteenth. Since that would have created an group stage rematch, they were switched with normally fourteenth-seeded Qazox.

It's a very minor detail, big picture.... but wondering what the problem is with creating a group stage rematch? It's never stopped me in seeding something in anything.

And Nowhere in your host bid did you state that group-rematches wouldn't be allowed in the playoffs.

Not a good precedent to have Lycrabon.

Other than that, so far this WBC has been run smoothly, though a few of the results so far still have me scratching my head. (And is mot likely due to NSFS...)

[Tocrowkia]

The fact that a guy that hasn't even RPed in the thread is 5-0 is mindboggling.

[Qazox]

The fact that a guy that hasn't even RPed in the thread is 5-0 is mindboggling.

Almost as mindboggling as another team that hasn't RP'ed going 0-5!

[Lycrabon]

It's a very minor detail, big picture.... but wondering what the problem is with creating a group stage rematch? It's never stopped me in seeding something in anything.

And Nowhere in your host bid did you state that group-rematches wouldn't be allowed in the playoffs.

Not a good precedent to have Lycrabon.

Other than that, so far this WBC has been run smoothly, though a few of the results so far still have me scratching my head. (And is mot likely due to NSFS...)

As far as I remember (and I might be wrong), normally there weren't rematches, at least until round two. But you're right, I didn't mention that possibility (because I didn't think of it): but we're only halfway through.

As far as a couple of the scores: yep, NSFS and Margaret being Margaret.



EDIT: By the way, just out of curiosity, has that (no rematches in the first round) ever been implemented previously?

[Newmanistan]

And Nowhere in your host bid did you state that group-rematches wouldn't be allowed in the playoffs.

Not a good precedent to have Lycrabon.

Other than that, so far this WBC has been run smoothly, though a few of the results so far still have me scratching my head. (And is mot likely due to NSFS...)

As far as I remember (and I might be wrong), normally there weren't rematches, at least until round two. But you're right, I didn't mention that possibility (because I didn't think of it): but we're only halfway through.

As far as a couple of the scores: yep, NSFS and Margaret being Margaret.

I've seen the no group-rematch in other competitions sporadically. Don't recall it here, but if it was, it was the exception and not the rule. It's not a big deal though to me. Lycrabon gets nothing but great grades on his mid-qualifying report card from me.

NSFS is being a little funky, but other then Delaclava at 0-5 I don't see anything real out-of-whack that might not even out at the end. Honestly, I think with these new scorinators being used for baseball, we've simply seen the end of 10-0 qualifying runs for top seeds.

Which is why the Newmanistan WBC 12 team will always be the greatest team ever.

[Delaclava]

NSFS is being a little funky, but other then Delaclava at 0-5 I don't see anything real out-of-whack that might not even out at the end. Honestly, I think with these new scorinators being used for baseball, we've simply seen the end of 10-0 qualifying runs for top seeds.

To be honest, even though I'm 16th and that shouldn't be happening, I probably don't deserve any better, considering I haven't RPed at all. (Although I HAVE posted a roster, which is better than many teams - including two in my group that have beaten me.)

[Qazox]

And Nowhere in your host bid did you state that group-rematches wouldn't be allowed in the playoffs.

Not a good precedent to have Lycrabon.

Other than that, so far this WBC has been run smoothly, though a few of the results so far still have me scratching my head. (And is mot likely due to NSFS...)

As far as I remember (and I might be wrong), normally there weren't rematches, at least until round two. But you're right, I didn't mention that possibility (because I didn't think of it): but we're only halfway through.

As far as a couple of the scores: yep, NSFS and Margaret being Margaret.



EDIT: By the way, just out of curiosity, has that (no rematches in the first round) ever been implemented previously?

Only during WBC 7 when my brother hosted it, he tried not to have rematches during the 2nd group stage of the WBC.

And Newmansitan: Az-cz' perfect run at WBC2 technically makes them the best team ever.

[Tarrentum]

Lycra, using NSFS...don't we need Style Modifications? It was never asked for and, probably, not being taken into consideration. I'm sorry I didn't come to you with this sooner.

[Lycrabon]

I THINK I had used the World ranking in there somewhere; but you're right, I should have. For as well as it appears I'm doing, there's a thing or two I can still improve. but overall, it's going perfectly smoothly. (hell, even I was surprised at the 2-game dagan losing streak currently.)

[Tocrowkia]

olololol not sure if serious

[Quintessence of Dust]

I feel crappy doing this because I am potentially throwing away a 9-1 win, but I think clarification is only fair:

Royalsoldiers 5, QUINTESSENCE OF DUST 4
QUINTESSENCE OF DUST 9, Royalsoldiers 1

We were listed as the home team on both days 2 and 7. So far as I can see no other fixtures have been flipped, which makes me hope it's a transcription error not a scorination error.

[Lycrabon]

I feel crappy doing this because I am potentially throwing away a 9-1 win, but I think clarification is only fair:

Royalsoldiers 5, QUINTESSENCE OF DUST 4
QUINTESSENCE OF DUST 9, Royalsoldiers 1

We were listed as the home team on both days 2 and 7. So far as I can see no other fixtures have been flipped, which makes me hope it's a transcription error not a scorination error.

Must have been an error of misreading; couldn't tell you WHICH one got goofed.

[Tocrowkia]

Alright, I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I know about Margaret and everything but I just can't believe I've dropped four fucking games to people that haven't even RPed. People that are unranked. How the hell does that EVEN begin to happen? I cannot help but be outraged at this, as my world ranking will nosedive as a result of these shenanigans.

[Milchama]

Lycrabon question about the standings:

Why are we in fourth place and not third? So I understand record comes first and our group has 3 teams that are 5-3. We lost to Stuffed Taxadermists so they are ahead of us but we tied in match up of Churcham so we're even on that.

The next two tiebreakers are either runs difference total which we have a 20 run advantage in or run difference within the matchup and we won the first match 11-1 while losing the second one 5-1. So either way we are ahead of them.

Is it just random at this point with no real rhyme or reason for placing within records? I just want clarification so that I know the proper way to kvetch ICly

or complain OOCly after I somehow don't advance.

[Newmanistan]

I wanted to do a lengthy analysis while I was at home this weekend of the baseball results turned out by NSFS and play out different scenarios but just got very busy this weekend (for good reasons, though). I think all of this is a function of the scorinator, something that those who played the Keisler Cup may have also picked up on. Because the Keisler Cup also was a bit unpredictable, I don't think it has anything to do with maxpoints being too high, but that is just my theory on it right now. If it's not that, therefore, it's nothing that a host can really control. It's why I want to eventually get to analyzing many different scenarios again with it. Things aren't quite evening out over the second half as I would have liked.

For people like Tocrowkia, Cassadaigua, Milchama, Sarzonia, or Qazox, I am sure this is very frustrating, I know I would share the outrage expressed by Tocrowkia if our roles were reversed. I guess if there's any consolation for you guys/gals, it's that other top nations are also being affected so at the end of the day your ranking drop might not be as bad as you fear.

Just maybe the answer here is to go back to the spreadsheet calculations used WBC 14 and prior.

[Newmanistan]

And Newmansitan: Az-cz' perfect run at WBC2 technically makes them the best team ever.

Throwback WBC Champion Analysis during WBC13

They have nothing on us.

[Qazox]

And Newmansitan: Az-cz' perfect run at WBC2 technically makes them the best team ever.

Throwback WBC Champion Analysis during WBC13

They have nothing on us.

True, but Qazox WBC6 would wipe the floor with anybody. LOL.

[Quintessence of Dust]

I guess if there's any consolation for you guys/gals, it's that other top nations are also being affected

With one notable exception... :)

so at the end of the day your ranking drop might not be as bad as you fear.

...but I do agree. Not that it should be about rankings, because they're relative and [almost] all the top seeds are tanking, there might not actually be much movement in the overall rankings.

Because the Keisler Cup also was a bit unpredictable, I don't think it has anything to do with maxpoints being too high, but that is just my theory on it right now.

In fairness, we don't actually know what the maxpoints have been set at, which makes it a bit hard to second guess the results.

Look: as I've argued in other competitions, increased randomness just gives more opportunity for RPing. Who wants to write the same "we beat know-nothing-noobs easily" RP for ten straight tournaments?

[Qazox]

I guess if there's any consolation for you guys/gals, it's that other top nations are also being affected

With one notable exception...

so at the end of the day your ranking drop might not be as bad as you fear.

...but I do agree. Not that it should be about rankings, because they're relative and [almost] all the top seeds are tanking, there might not actually be much movement in the overall rankings.

Because the Keisler Cup also was a bit unpredictable, I don't think it has anything to do with maxpoints being too high, but that is just my theory on it right now.

In fairness, we don't actually know what the maxpoints have been set at, which makes it a bit hard to second guess the results.

Look: as I've argued in other competitions, increased randomness just gives more opportunity for RPing. Who wants to write the same "we beat know-nothing-noobs easily" RP for ten straight tournaments?

I do dammit. it worked the first 13 WBC's.... LOL.

"Back in the day we had to play baseball uphill both ways in a driving snowstorm with rocks for balls and our left arm for bats! Sabre-tooth tigers roamed the field and to get a homerun y had to hit a tiger in the head with a rockball and run up both mountains during an avalanche, and....."

[Silver Beach]

I don't know. I think IM doing pretty good in the tournament

[Tarrentum]

I think all of this is a function of the scorinator, something that those who played the Keisler Cup may have also picked up on. Because the Keisler Cup also was a bit unpredictable, I don't think it has anything to do with maxpoints being too high, but that is just my theory on it right now.

Max Points in KC3 were set to the maximum RP bonus that could be gained the entire tournament based on the amount of RP points that could be gained per day for a good RP.

[Western cuba]

I think I'm doing great. To bad my nation will soon be destroyed by invasion.

There my question comes in.

I plan on having a nation succeed Western Cuba. Will I still have my ranking in the WBC? If my players survive the war?

[Lycrabon]

Lycrabon question about the standings:

Why are we in fourth place and not third? So I understand record comes first and our group has 3 teams that are 5-3. We lost to Stuffed Taxadermists so they are ahead of us but we tied in match up of Churcham so we're even on that.

The next two tiebreakers are either runs difference total which we have a 20 run advantage in or run difference within the matchup and we won the first match 11-1 while losing the second one 5-1. So either way we are ahead of them.

Is it just random at this point with no real rhyme or reason for placing within records? I just want clarification so that I know the proper way to kvetch ICly

or complain OOCly after I somehow don't advance.

As far as why the third: The first two "tiebreakers" are wins overall and matchups between teams. If I were forced to guess, I'd say it was something along the lines of Taxidermists 3-1, Churchma 2-2, Milchama 1-3 type of thing (just for the sake of argument; I don't know the exact split there).

On Tuesday night (after the group stage ends), I'll verify results, just so I don't catch hell after the knockouts start.




Western cuba:

Yes. Lycrabon is a successor state to Barnettsville, and kept their ranking.