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by Camaalbakrius » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:15 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:24 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Camaalbakrius wrote:No Christian should vote Democrat either. The Far left wants government to play a part in your religion and make it so you can't deny services for a gay wedding, for example, if you are a christian. This has happened, and people have been sued for it. There is no correct side in this battle between Democrats and Republicans.
Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP
Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP
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by Diopolis » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:47 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP
Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP
Eh, tbh, while I definitely like Const, he's a little too far Left for my tastes. I'm more on the traditionalist communitarian side these days.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:50 pm
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by -Fahrong- » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:53 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:You and I could take over, and work out how dirigistic we're going later.
Eh, that implies capitalism. I'm still anti-capitalist, for a whole host of reasons, including moral scruples, but also for practicality reasons.
I'm just not as directly committed to state socialism as I once was. I still think the bourgeois, as a class, work to undermine Christianity, though.
by The Princes of the Universe » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:58 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:You and I could take over, and work out how dirigistic we're going later.
Eh, that implies capitalism. I'm still anti-capitalist, for a whole host of reasons, including moral scruples, but also for practicality reasons.
I'm just not as directly committed to state socialism as I once was. I still think the bourgeois, as a class, work to undermine Christianity, though.
by Nordengrund » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:04 pm
Diopolis wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
Vote Libertarian. They can't do any worse than the two main parties. Or vote for the Constitution Party if you prefer them over Libertarians.
From a Christian perspective, the libertarians are the worst of both worlds. The Constitutionalists/American Solidarity Party aren't really perfect either, but at least they're demonstrably trying.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:05 pm
Nordengrund wrote:Diopolis wrote:From a Christian perspective, the libertarians are the worst of both worlds. The Constitutionalists/American Solidarity Party aren't really perfect either, but at least they're demonstrably trying.
Well, my sympathy for the Libertarians is mainly because I'm a Georgist. While the party's platform is quite laissez faire, there are Georgist members.
Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of Republicans are right leaning fiscally, and I feel there is little room for people with me even though I agree with their stances on abortions, guns, and Israel.
There is a caucus in the Democratic Party that promotes some Georgist principles, but unfortunately, it sides with the national party on abortion.
Both parties seem to favor bureaucracy and strong government, and I think we need to reverse this and make sure America remains the land of the free.
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by Nordengrund » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:10 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
Well, my sympathy for the Libertarians is mainly because I'm a Georgist. While the party's platform is quite laissez faire, there are Georgist members.
Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of Republicans are right leaning fiscally, and I feel there is little room for people with me even though I agree with their stances on abortions, guns, and Israel.
There is a caucus in the Democratic Party that promotes some Georgist principles, but unfortunately, it sides with the national party on abortion.
Both parties seem to favor bureaucracy and strong government, and I think we need to reverse this and make sure America remains the land of the free.
Can I ask why you support Israel?
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:13 pm
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by Nordengrund » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:27 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
I believe there is eschatological significance of the nation. I wouldn't call myself a dispensationalist, and there is certainly some overlap between Israel and the Church.
But, certainly you would agree that the real Israel is the body of Christians, not the State of Israel, which has, in fact, taken action against Palestinian Christians.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:32 pm
Nordengrund wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:But, certainly you would agree that the real Israel is the body of Christians, not the State of Israel, which has, in fact, taken action against Palestinian Christians.
Yes. However, Paul expresses hope for ethnic Israel that they will come to the faith and all Israel will be saved. While it may not technically be "true Israel", God still has a plan for the nation. National Israel will one day be grafted back in.
The Jews will always have a right to the land, but you are right that Palestinians are mistreated. The OT makes provisions for non-Jews to be treated charitably in Israel. One of the primary duties of the prophets was to speak out against the injustices committed by Israel, yet they weren't anti-Israel. They wanted the nation to see error in its ways and repent.
So while the Jews have a divine right to the land, they must still treat all non Jews who live among them with respect and compassion.
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by Nordengrund » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:54 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
Yes. However, Paul expresses hope for ethnic Israel that they will come to the faith and all Israel will be saved. While it may not technically be "true Israel", God still has a plan for the nation. National Israel will one day be grafted back in.
The Jews will always have a right to the land, but you are right that Palestinians are mistreated. The OT makes provisions for non-Jews to be treated charitably in Israel. One of the primary duties of the prophets was to speak out against the injustices committed by Israel, yet they weren't anti-Israel. They wanted the nation to see error in its ways and repent.
So while the Jews have a divine right to the land, they must still treat all non Jews who live among them with respect and compassion.
But, if the Jews are no longer Israel, but Christians are, doesn't that mean that the Palestinian Christians have more right to the land than the Jews, who are non-believers?
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:00 pm
Nordengrund wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:But, if the Jews are no longer Israel, but Christians are, doesn't that mean that the Palestinian Christians have more right to the land than the Jews, who are non-believers?
They may not be Israel at this moment, but they will be in the future. In the NT, Israel can refer the believers, ethnic Jews, or even the nation. If all Israel will be saved, it would be redundant for this referring to the Church since the Church is made up of people who are already saved.
I never said Palestinians never had a right to be there, just that Israel has a right to the land, but the Jews must be charitable and accepting of all non-Jews. OT verses about Israel's restoration mentions non-Jews will live among them in their land and and the Jews must act charitably towards them.
I also don't see Israel's founding as a coincidence, as the OT and the NT (to a lesser extent) discuss Israel's restoration, and it happened. I also doubt it's a coincidence that Israel has a pretty strong military when it comes to defense, and not to mention the Six Day War.
Regardless of how you feel about premillennialism, 19th century dispensationalists predicted and expected a refunding of Israel.
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by Nordengrund » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:45 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
They may not be Israel at this moment, but they will be in the future. In the NT, Israel can refer the believers, ethnic Jews, or even the nation. If all Israel will be saved, it would be redundant for this referring to the Church since the Church is made up of people who are already saved.
I never said Palestinians never had a right to be there, just that Israel has a right to the land, but the Jews must be charitable and accepting of all non-Jews. OT verses about Israel's restoration mentions non-Jews will live among them in their land and and the Jews must act charitably towards them.
I also don't see Israel's founding as a coincidence, as the OT and the NT (to a lesser extent) discuss Israel's restoration, and it happened. I also doubt it's a coincidence that Israel has a pretty strong military when it comes to defense, and not to mention the Six Day War.
Regardless of how you feel about premillennialism, 19th century dispensationalists predicted and expected a refunding of Israel.
Israel is certainly not being charitable toward non-Jews, so how do you support unapologetic support for them?
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:46 pm
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by New confederate ramenia » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:05 pm
-Fahrong- wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Eh, that implies capitalism. I'm still anti-capitalist, for a whole host of reasons, including moral scruples, but also for practicality reasons.
I'm just not as directly committed to state socialism as I once was. I still think the bourgeois, as a class, work to undermine Christianity, though.
I am in a similar boat.
by Never had a pot noodle » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:29 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Christians should just overthrow the government. Get Const and UMN together and viva all la revolutions. xP
Preferably before this upcoming election.... xP
Eh, tbh, while I definitely like Const, he's a little too far Left for my tastes. I'm more on the traditionalist communitarian side these days.
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:33 pm
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St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Never had a pot noodle » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:34 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:39 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
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by Salus Maior » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:52 pm
by Constantinopolis » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:03 pm
by Constantinopolis » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:20 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Diopolis wrote:You and I could take over, and work out how dirigistic we're going later.
Eh, that implies capitalism. I'm still anti-capitalist, for a whole host of reasons, including moral scruples, but also for practicality reasons.
I'm just not as directly committed to state socialism as I once was. I still think the bourgeois, as a class, work to undermine Christianity, though.
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