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by Kosovakia » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:24 am
XII Winter Olympics G: 4 S: 2 B: 3
XIII Winter Olympics: G: 0 S: 0 B: 0
Winter Universiade: G: 8 S: 10 B: 5
by Barunia » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:30 am
Kosovakia wrote:Hello everyone! Kosovakia really wants to join the world cup. Kosovakia Has the level of the real Kosovo and Slovakian football team. If this country will participate in the real FIFA . then Kosovakia number 98 in the world !! But Kosovakia has no real life team But this is the opportunity for Kosovakia to join the big NS World cup. They are already official member of the (NS UEFA). And currently Kosovakia build stadiums for friendly matches and qualification tournaments. But in the future for bigger events!! So my question can Kosovakia participate? (I will make a wiki page about the Kosovakian football team for more information)
Greetings Kosovakia
by Bears Armed » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:03 am
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by Electrum » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:00 am
by Kosovakia » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:01 am
XII Winter Olympics G: 4 S: 2 B: 3
XIII Winter Olympics: G: 0 S: 0 B: 0
Winter Universiade: G: 8 S: 10 B: 5
by Red Blackiland » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:41 am
Kosovakia wrote:I will participate in the next world cup (Qualification of course) But I search for somebody that wants to play against Kosovakia for Kosovakians first friendly match. And can somebody add Kosovakia on the rankings list
by Kosovakia » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:19 am
Red Blackiland wrote:Kosovakia wrote:I will participate in the next world cup (Qualification of course) But I search for somebody that wants to play against Kosovakia for Kosovakians first friendly match. And can somebody add Kosovakia on the rankings list
You'll enter in the rankings soon after your first participation in a NSWC competition (As are your first time ever playing a WC, you can enter in the Baptism of Fire), friendlies doesn't have interference on rankings. You can, also, choose one of the three most big sports regions (Esportiva, Atlantian Oceania or Rushmore) to join it, as a big opportunity to earn experience and participating in the regional tournament (Campionato Esportiva, Copa Rushmore or the AOCAF) which is played before every Baptism of Fire and World Cup.
XII Winter Olympics G: 4 S: 2 B: 3
XIII Winter Olympics: G: 0 S: 0 B: 0
Winter Universiade: G: 8 S: 10 B: 5
by Saintland » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:18 pm
Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:League of NS Sports Voters wrote:I've just TGed every member of the WCC and EWCC listed on the official lists that isn't bidding.
Others may disagree, but I would really rather prefer it if you didn't.
Especially given that this is a personal initiative rather than a formal WCC initiative.
I'm using this nation on purpose so it's clear that this is a personal opinion, but it feels uncomfortably like unsolicited spam.
I'm well aware of my right to vote, and don't need a third-party unsolicited TG unilaterally sent out without any input from the appropriate governing body to remind me.
Audioslavia wrote:Vilita wrote: [Saintland has made] sure that everyone knew it was him [reminding voters to vote] (probably not a good thing; which makes his motives look far less community centric, and far more self-serving especially combined with fact 1)
I'd disagree. It'd be worse if someone did that but tried to keep themselves anonymous. Saintland has gone the full-disclosure route, which is fine by me.
I had initially thought that this NS Voting League guy was you, actually, before reading the entirety of the telegram
I'm okay with the idea of telegramming users to remind them of the importance of voting, but I would have preferred the idea to have been mooted on here first (if it has and I accidentally ignored it, tell me). I think, with something like this, it's important that the wording of the TG is made public before it does the rounds. I do, of course, appreciate that this Voting League thing is entirely separate from any other IC/OOC sporting entity, as was stated explicitly in the telegram, and so I don't get to do anything here but give my opinion while holding my WCC Prez hat behind my back. Figuratively. I haven't had that hat made yet.
We don't have any rules on bidders sending/not sending TGs during an official WCC vote. Any such rule would be more or less impossible to enforce without the highest mod level powers. I think the unwritten rule on campaigning during WCC votes is 'don't do it outwith your own bid thread', but there's still not much anyone could do if a bid team campaigned via sending TGs. I don't know if that would fall foul of NS rules or not.
There is, as yet, no unwritten rule for how or when to send unbiased, neutrally worded reminders to potential voters that their vote is welcome and important. I think, if we were towrite downthink aloud about what that unwritten rule might look like, it'd be something along the lines of 'make sure all the bidders are all cool with the idea first'.
This particular TG was well written, so it's all cool.
Vilita wrote:Not technically, no.
However, in these modern times, we always use a two host system for WCC events. The reasons have evolved to be two-fold. Firstly, to ensure the tournament will continue should something happen to one of the hosts. For the lesser wcc (coh/bof) tournaments, this was always a loose requirement but still valid. Things get delayed and potentially screwed up if the solo host disappears.
Secondly, a more modern reason for it, is that it allows a less experienced host to pair with a more experienced host so that someone new(ish) can gain experience hosting a WCC event - either the WC or in preparation for a future World Cup bid. In the modern times the last 25 or so editions of the CoH there have only been two solo hosts.
So that said, there is nothing wrong with the fact that Saintland put forward a solo bid when there were no other bids - in fact it may have been a good thing - as maybe it spurred on some of the other bids to show up. We've resorted to solo-bids for the CoH twice before when there were no bids so if no other bids showed up, it also would have been just fine. But now that there are a slew of two-host bids - more than we've seen for a single bid cycle in quite some time - the real need is no longer there. No, there is nothing technically wrong with a solo-bid. However, its not in the best interest of the community and the development of new hosts for future events. Saintland has already hosted major tournaments including the World Cup and by continuing to campaign openly for his solo bid he is at the same time campaigning to deny hosting experience to potential future World Cup Hosts in the form of Damukuni, Schottia, Tumbra and also The Sarian.
With the exception of Saintlands Solo bid which has no junior partner, every other CoH bid pairs one user with WCC hosting experience with another user who would be hosting a WCC tournament for the very first time.
We go through cycles with hosts for the NSWC and thats why sometimes in the past we've had to resort to solo bids - because there weren't enough willing and able hosts in the pool to step up to the plate. This time, it appears that there are a handful of potential new hosts willing to try their hand at the job and it would be a shame to see them denied that opportunity by someone who doesn't need the experience, and didn't want to reach out to invite a junior partner to join them in their bid.
With a trio of willing and competent junior partners available - (and even inexperienced hosts offering in the West Saintland solo bid thread to step up and help him scorinate matches...) I would have hoped that Saintland would have reached out to invite one of them to join his bid as a junior partner once it became clear his solo bid was not going to be required as a default - if he truly had the best interests of developing the NSWC community in mind.
by Alasdair I Frosticus » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:33 pm
Saintland wrote:Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:
Others may disagree, but I would really rather prefer it if you didn't.
Especially given that this is a personal initiative rather than a formal WCC initiative.
I'm using this nation on purpose so it's clear that this is a personal opinion, but it feels uncomfortably like unsolicited spam.
I'm well aware of my right to vote, and don't need a third-party unsolicited TG unilaterally sent out without any input from the appropriate governing body to remind me.
I'll make sure you don't receive them in the future (and I'll extend the same offer to anybody who states their wish not to receive such telegrams).
by Krytenia » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:21 pm
Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:Saintland wrote:I'll make sure you don't receive them in the future (and I'll extend the same offer to anybody who states their wish not to receive such telegrams).
I think you may be underestimating the importance of the bit about 'a third-party unsolicited TG unilaterally sent out without any input from the appropriate governing body'.
Again, I'm being very careful to post with this account so people don't misunderstand this as a formal moderation opinion, but the bit I'm emphasising above could potentially be a cause of serious concern if anyone were to launch a formal complaint. I think the basic concept is a sound one worth exploring, but I really think you need formal WCC sanction here rather than doing this unilaterally on your own initiative.
I also don't think defaulting to assuming people want to be included unless they specifically opt out is sufficient to protect you.
by Gregoryisgodistan » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:04 pm
Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:Saintland wrote:
I'll make sure you don't receive them in the future (and I'll extend the same offer to anybody who states their wish not to receive such telegrams).
I think you may be underestimating the importance of the bit about 'a third-party unsolicited TG unilaterally sent out without any input from the appropriate governing body'.
Again, I'm being very careful to post with this account so people don't misunderstand this as a formal moderation opinion, but the bit I'm emphasising above could potentially be a cause of serious concern if anyone were to launch a formal complaint. I think the basic concept is a sound one worth exploring, but I really think you need formal WCC sanction here rather than doing this unilaterally on your own initiative.
I also don't think defaulting to assuming people want to be included unless they specifically opt out is sufficient to protect you.
by Starblaydia » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:58 pm
Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:League of NS Sports Voters wrote:I've just TGed every member of the WCC and EWCC listed on the official lists that isn't bidding.
Others may disagree, but I would really rather prefer it if you didn't.
Especially given that this is a personal initiative rather than a formal WCC initiative.
by Bonesea » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:47 am
Bears Armed wrote:I shall not be voting on the CoH hosting, because the Bears will be ending their involvement in international football at the end of these qualifiers: They've taken the team's results during the first half of qualifiers as a sign from the spirits that they should do so.
(This is something that I'd been considering OOC for a while anyhows, due to time constraints, and for which I had just been awaiting a suitable IC justification....)
However they'll probably return to the Olympics, after having missed a cycle or two, next time around...
by Kandorith » Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:34 am
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by Bears Armed » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:08 am
Bonesea wrote:Bears Armed wrote:I shall not be voting on the CoH hosting, because the Bears will be ending their involvement in international football at the end of these qualifiers: They've taken the team's results during the first half of qualifiers as a sign from the spirits that they should do so.
(This is something that I'd been considering OOC for a while anyhows, due to time constraints, and for which I had just been awaiting a suitable IC justification....)
However they'll probably return to the Olympics, after having missed a cycle or two, next time around...
This is the end of an oversized-font era from one of my favourite imagined worlds in NS. At least in the WC.
I feel the moment should be marked, and offer fresh raw Boney Salmon on a platter of berries, wild beans, nuts, tubers and honey-glazed moths; washed down with some blotwine.
We're all off to Barbary Salé in the next cycle to drink your honour at Hrrick's.
by Gadirya » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:55 pm
by Alasdair I Frosticus » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:50 pm
Starblaydia wrote:Alasdair I Frosticus wrote:Others may disagree, but I would really rather prefer it if you didn't.
Especially given that this is a personal initiative rather than a formal WCC initiative.
This was my initial reaction, too, although I agree with Audio that the full disclosure route was the correct way to go within that.
Gregoryisgodistan wrote:As some mod (I don't know who - it was a Voice of Mod thing) told me after I filed a GHR complaining I was getting annoying TGs from a certain user, if you don't want to receive TGs from a certain account, you can block it.
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by Kaboomlandia » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:21 am
# Group 18 Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Chromatika 12 7 5 0 30 10 +20 26
2 Kaboomlandia 11 6 4 1 15 4 +11 22
3 Starblaydia 11 6 4 1 24 7 +17 22
4 HUElavia 11 5 1 5 18 21 −3 16
5 The New Telengana Rajj 11 3 0 8 14 26 −12 9
6 Hirvania 11 2 3 6 6 23 −17 9
7 Tidal Wake 11 1 1 9 7 23 −16 4
by The Royal Kingdom of Quebec » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:38 am
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