by Impireacht » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:41 pm
by Eol Sha » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:47 pm
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:48 pm
Impireacht wrote:In recent news, Disney has pulled a children's costume from the upcoming film "Moana" over complaints of "cultural misappropriation".
Impireacht wrote:In my opinion, it's ridiculous that child cannot even wear a costume depicting someone of another ethnicity, lest someone find it mildly offensive. If they had made the costume white, there would have been cries of racism.
Impireacht wrote:If they didn't make movies about other cultures, they'd be racist. What is Disney supposed to do?
by The Great Devourer of All » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:51 pm
Yymea wrote:We would definitely be scared of what is probably the most scary nation on NS :p
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Actually fairly threatening by our standards. And this time we really mean "threatening". As in, "we'll actually need to escalate significantly to match their fleets."
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by The first Galactic Republic » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:54 pm
Eol Sha wrote:I think pulling the costume is a little silly. At the same time, though, I can get why some people might be upset. Especially given how Pacific Islanders have had foreigners run roughshod over them for centuries now. US nuclear testing being one example and the lack of action on global climate change being the epitome of the lack of shits most governments give about a population of millions of people.
Not to mention that I'm assuming that the tattoos and markings have important, often religious, meanings. Meanings that are totally lost in consumer culture.
by Austria and Bavaria » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:56 pm
by Eol Sha » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:57 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Eol Sha wrote:I think pulling the costume is a little silly. At the same time, though, I can get why some people might be upset. Especially given how Pacific Islanders have had foreigners run roughshod over them for centuries now. US nuclear testing being one example and the lack of action on global climate change being the epitome of the lack of shits most governments give about a population of millions of people.
Not to mention that I'm assuming that the tattoos and markings have important, often religious, meanings. Meanings that are totally lost in consumer culture.
I get the idea you're trying to say here, but when you make comparisons to nuclear testing and climate change a Disney costume seems pretty irrelevant and you unintentionally make these people seem petty.
I also agree with OP's point. Is Disney supposed to just never make movies about ethnic minorities? I don't want the same western European fantasy over and over. I'd like to see influence from other cultures.
by Herskerstad » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:59 pm
by Tananat » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:59 pm
Eol Sha wrote:The first Galactic Republic wrote:I get the idea you're trying to say here, but when you make comparisons to nuclear testing and climate change a Disney costume seems pretty irrelevant and you unintentionally make these people seem petty.
I also agree with OP's point. Is Disney supposed to just never make movies about ethnic minorities? I don't want the same western European fantasy over and over. I'd like to see influence from other cultures.
I don't think anyone is saying that. Personally, like most Disney movies, I'm gonna go see Moana. Looks interesting. The issue at hand is the costume.
by The first Galactic Republic » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:02 pm
Eol Sha wrote:The first Galactic Republic wrote:I get the idea you're trying to say here, but when you make comparisons to nuclear testing and climate change a Disney costume seems pretty irrelevant and you unintentionally make these people seem petty.
I also agree with OP's point. Is Disney supposed to just never make movies about ethnic minorities? I don't want the same western European fantasy over and over. I'd like to see influence from other cultures.
I don't think anyone is saying that. Personally, like most Disney movies, I'm gonna go see Moana. Looks interesting. The issue at hand is the costume.
by The first Galactic Republic » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:03 pm
Tananat wrote:Eol Sha wrote:I don't think anyone is saying that. Personally, like most Disney movies, I'm gonna go see Moana. Looks interesting. The issue at hand is the costume.
It also taps into a big issues a lot of Pacific Islanders have about the movie, that Disney aren't taking it any more seriously than as something they can make money off of, which when it's such a big part of their culture, isn't a good thing.
by The Liberated Territories » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:03 pm
by Gauthier » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:05 pm
Herskerstad wrote:Silly Disney, do they not know that only western culture is universal?
by The first Galactic Republic » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:05 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Question, if I wear a viking helmet, am I culturally misappropriating Sweden?
by Gauthier » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:06 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Question, if I wear a viking helmet, am I culturally misappropriating Sweden?
by Eol Sha » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:07 pm
Tananat wrote:Eol Sha wrote:I don't think anyone is saying that. Personally, like most Disney movies, I'm gonna go see Moana. Looks interesting. The issue at hand is the costume.
It also taps into a big issues a lot of Pacific Islanders have about the movie, that Disney aren't taking it any more seriously than as something they can make money off of, which when it's such a big part of their culture, isn't a good thing.
by Purpelia » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:08 pm
Tananat wrote:It also taps into a big issues a lot of Pacific Islanders have about the movie, that Disney aren't taking it any more seriously than as something they can make money off of, which when it's such a big part of their culture, isn't a good thing.
by Crockerland » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:11 pm
by The Great Devourer of All » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:12 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Question, if I wear a viking helmet, am I culturally misappropriating Sweden?
Yymea wrote:We would definitely be scared of what is probably the most scary nation on NS :p
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Actually fairly threatening by our standards. And this time we really mean "threatening". As in, "we'll actually need to escalate significantly to match their fleets."
Valkalan wrote:10/10 Profoundly evil. Some nations conqueror others for wealth and prestige, but the Devourer consumes civilization like a cancer consuming an unfortunate host.
The Speaker wrote:Intemperate in the sea from the roof, and leg All night, and he knows lots of reads from the unseen good old man of the mountain-DESTRUCTION
by The Holy Therns » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:12 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Question, if I wear a viking helmet, am I culturally misappropriating Sweden?
Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜
Ethel mermania wrote:to therns is to transend the pettiness of the field of play into the field of dreams.
by Risottia » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:13 pm
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:...Not make a costume where pretending to be another ethnicity is a necessary part of wearing it?
by Austria and Bavaria » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:14 pm
by Tananat » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:14 pm
Purpelia wrote:Tananat wrote:It also taps into a big issues a lot of Pacific Islanders have about the movie, that Disney aren't taking it any more seriously than as something they can make money off of, which when it's such a big part of their culture, isn't a good thing.
And how is that any reason to be upset? After all its how everyone treats every culture.
by Austria and Bavaria » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:15 pm
The Great Devourer of All wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:Question, if I wear a viking helmet, am I culturally misappropriating Sweden?
Unless you also live in an isolated community on the edge of the known world, name your most prized weapon, write sagas rivaling those of Homer, send expeditions into Canada, Russia, and the Middle East, and grant women unprecedented levels of freedom for your time, you are culturally misappropriating Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia.
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