by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:08 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:17 pm
by The first Galactic Republic » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:18 pm
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:These days, I often see fashion/reality/news shows and documentaries, where the very rich live such wasteful and opulent lives. They are promiscuous, lazy and are often addicted to either drugs or alcohol. On the other hand, I have seen beggars on the street not getting a piece of food, resorting to stealing, with my own eyes.
In our world, the richest 1% has more wealth than the poorest 50%. They do not deserve this money- just look at the Kardashians, for example. They are corrupted with money and power, and have no basic morals or empathy to those in need. They are decadent, corrupt and are oppressive. Income inequality is the root of the countless things wrong with our world.
What do you think, NSG? I believe in socialism, and ideally, communism, so it may just be my bias, but I want to hear from you guys.
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:22 pm
The first Galactic Republic wrote:Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:These days, I often see fashion/reality/news shows and documentaries, where the very rich live such wasteful and opulent lives. They are promiscuous, lazy and are often addicted to either drugs or alcohol. On the other hand, I have seen beggars on the street not getting a piece of food, resorting to stealing, with my own eyes.
In our world, the richest 1% has more wealth than the poorest 50%. They do not deserve this money- just look at the Kardashians, for example. They are corrupted with money and power, and have no basic morals or empathy to those in need. They are decadent, corrupt and are oppressive. Income inequality is the root of the countless things wrong with our world.
What do you think, NSG? I believe in socialism, and ideally, communism, so it may just be my bias, but I want to hear from you guys.
Do the rich not deserve money because they do drugs and have sex? Because the poor also do drugs and have sex.
by Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:26 pm
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:The first Galactic Republic wrote:Do the rich not deserve money because they do drugs and have sex? Because the poor also do drugs and have sex.
The poor do drugs and have sex too, but they do it to escape from the reality of their miserable lives. The rich have no excuse for their decadent activities.
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:33 pm
by Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:34 pm
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:36 pm
by Radiatia » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:39 pm
by Lindenburgh » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:40 pm
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:These days, I often see fashion/reality/news shows and documentaries, where the very rich live such wasteful and opulent lives. They are promiscuous, lazy and are often addicted to either drugs or alcohol. On the other hand, I have seen beggars on the street not getting a piece of food, resorting to stealing, with my own eyes.
In our world, the richest 1% has more wealth than the poorest 50%. They do not deserve this money- just look at the Kardashians, for example. They are corrupted with money and power, and have no basic morals or empathy to those in need. They are decadent, corrupt and are oppressive. Income inequality is the root of the countless things wrong with our world.
What do you think, NSG? I believe in socialism, and ideally, communism, so it may just be my bias, but I want to hear from you guys.
by Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:41 pm
by Galloism » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:43 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:46 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:47 pm
by Takhshiyt » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:47 pm
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:These days, I often see fashion/reality/news shows and documentaries, where the very rich live such wasteful and opulent lives.
They are promiscuous, lazy and are often addicted to either drugs or alcohol.
On the other hand, I have seen beggars on the street not getting a piece of food, resorting to stealing, with my own eyes.
In our world, the richest 1% has more wealth than the poorest 50%. They do not deserve this money
- just look at the Kardashians, for example. They are corrupted with money and power, and have no basic morals or empathy to those in need.
They are decadent, corrupt and are oppressive.
Income inequality is the root of the countless things wrong with our world.
What do you think, NSG? I believe in socialism, and ideally, communism, so it may just be my bias, but I want to hear from you guys.
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:48 pm
by Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:51 pm
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:Minzerland wrote:So? Why is it so decadent for the rich to do as you've describe?
Marriage is a commitment to someone special to you- if you do it with someone else, you've broken your commitment. I'm not against casual sex- but it's fundamentally wrong when you already have a partner. The rich have power- they are abusing their power when they do these things.
Anyway, back on topic - I believe in wealth redistribution- take money from the rich and give it to the poor.
by Libertas Regionem » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:52 pm
Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:Minzerland wrote:So? Why is it so decadent for the rich to do as you've describe?
Marriage is a commitment to someone special to you- if you do it with someone else, you've broken your commitment. I'm not against casual sex- but it's fundamentally wrong when you already have a partner. The rich have power- they are abusing their power when they do these things.
Anyway, back on topic - I believe in wealth redistribution- take money from the rich and give it to the poor.
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by Bogdanov Vishniac » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:53 pm
Radiatia wrote:I'm a believer in Noblesse Oblige, which is a concept that appears to have been lost in our increasingly self-centred society.
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:05 pm
It is up to your interpretation whether the rich do live wasteful lifestyles, as a so called wasteful lifestyle usually involves spending of some sort, which means they aren't necessarily hoarding their cash. I am also assuming your are speaking about billionaires, not the average millionaire. The average millionaire doesn't live an opulent lifestyle, which is he is rich.
Welcome to the state of humanity. This isn't anything new. Rich or poor, people are like that.
And what do you propose we do about that? Because stealing from the rich and giving to the poor isn't a smart way of making poor people self sufficient, and is also immoral.
And people who never made the money themselves do deserve it?
While I don't speak specifically for the Kardashian's, I assume they pay a higher amount of taxes then your average poor person, which is in turn funding welfare stamps and a host of government services. Other "one percenter's" are involved in large amounts of humanitarian aide/research/donating/charity. They understand as well as anyone that once they die they aren't bringing their dough with them.
Great way to marginalize an entire group of people because of how much fiat currency they own.
I would venture to say income instability is the root of countless things wrong with our world, but not the only thing causing issues. Income inequality is a metric to show how much wealth is concentrated, but actually doesn't drive human actions. People don't wake up and decide they are going to shoot up a mall because Bill Gates has 70 billion dollars. People wake up wondering whether they will be able to get money to feed their family. I don't venture to say it is Bill Gates problem, I don't venture to say it is their problem entirely, I venture to say it is nobody's problem. Doesn't mean we shouldn't help poor people become self sufficient, but it doesn't mean we should steal and give the stolen property to people who did not do anything for it.
We should be focusing on teaching poor people to sustain themselves economically instead of living off of government freebies. We should be educating, providing job opportunities, and creating a secure environment. Frankly, that is where our focus should be.
Your premise that billionaires are exclusively evil is ignorant of the rest of society as a whole. Communism is a failure because it fails to recognize that mankind never has been, is not, and will never be "good" (however you define that).
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:07 pm
Minzerland wrote:Jumhuriyah Hindustan wrote:Marriage is a commitment to someone special to you- if you do it with someone else, you've broken your commitment. I'm not against casual sex- but it's fundamentally wrong when you already have a partner. The rich have power- they are abusing their power when they do these things.
Anyway, back on topic - I believe in wealth redistribution- take money from the rich and give it to the poor.
Not all rich people are married. What power are they abusing by enacting sex?
Well, I disagree.
by Minzerland » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:19 pm
by Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:22 pm
by Vavax » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:31 pm
Even if they're not hoarding, they have way more than they need.
Wrong. Not all people are immoral.
Why use "stealing"? The rich exploit the poor for money, they are the thieves. For the second point, read more.
The poor work much harder than the rich, just look at workers in factories- yet they are severely underpaid. They deserve more for their work.
If everyone was equal, everyone would contribute equally to humanitarian aide/research/donating/charity. There's no reason to keep the wealth concentrated in the hands of a few.
1. I never said the rich were exclusively evil. You're shoving words down my throat.
2. The rich should use their power for good, not for bad.
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