You can consider me unsympathetic to your talking points when you consider elections to be meaningless spectacle.
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by Eol Sha » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:45 pm
by Eol Sha » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:46 pm
Krasny-Volny wrote:Eol Sha wrote:Communist government aren't too keen on emigration.
I have enough scrap metal and condemned vehicles in my yard to build a homemade tank which I will then proceed to use to smash my way through every roadblock between here and the border if I have to.
by Cedoria » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:47 pm
by Eol Sha » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:48 pm
Cedoria wrote:Eol Sha wrote:You can consider me unsympathetic to your talking points when you consider elections to be meaningless spectacle.
I did not say they were meaningless, I said that they do not make fundamental changes.
There are small differences that elections can be bring out (who appoints Supreme Court Justices in the US, for instance), they're not unimportant, but the fundamental structures of oppression, violence and domination are not changed just by pushing a button in a ballot box every few years.
i did not claim they were meaningless, but they aren't the way to make fundamental changes.
by Arcturus Novus » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:48 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Constantinopolis » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:51 pm
Krasny-Volny wrote:I also have every intention of being able to choose my career. Not get assigned a role by the state.
Krasny-Volny wrote:Also I own a car, which is my private property. I don't mind sharing some of my things with others but the car must remain my property.
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:52 pm
by Korouse » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:53 pm
Jankau-Helmutsberg wrote:Korouse wrote:Clearly you weren't alive - or at least paying attention, during any sort of recession.
You are fundamentally wrong. Banks don't go bankrupt because of possibilities or statistics. The latest recession was a result of irresponsible government policies and government's failure to supervise the big players. The stock markets are a different thing, in which I do agree, that they are entirely wrong.
by Jankau-Helmutsberg » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:54 pm
Cedoria wrote:You believe we have a market economy?
Constantinopolis wrote:The lucky always imagine that it was their "hard work" or "determination" that made them superior to the unlucky. People don't want to admit to themselves how little control they actually have over their lives, and how much is due to chance and outside factors.
by Krasny-Volny » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:56 pm
Eol Sha wrote:Krasny-Volny wrote:
I have enough scrap metal and condemned vehicles in my yard to build a homemade tank which I will then proceed to use to smash my way through every roadblock between here and the border if I have to.
I don't think you'll get very far. Planes are pretty good at taking out tanks and most roadblocks have guards.
by Jankau-Helmutsberg » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:58 pm
Korouse wrote:I'm not talking about the banks. I'm talking about your "average" businesses during these ups and downs. They're completely at the hands of the market. Who does and doesn't fail falls on a variety of factors than just "hard work" and such an idealized view is preposterous.
by Krasny-Volny » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:00 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Krasny-Volny wrote:I also have every intention of being able to choose my career. Not get assigned a role by the state.
Except for short periods of time in a very small number of cases (e.g. China during the Cultural Revolution), Marxist-Leninist states did NOT assign jobs to people against their will. Rather, the way it worked was essentially that you were presented with a number of options based on your education and skills (and based on your grades at university, in the case of those with a university degree), and you got to pick one of these options. For university graduates, the higher your grades, the more options you got to choose from.Krasny-Volny wrote:Also I own a car, which is my private property. I don't mind sharing some of my things with others but the car must remain my property.
No Marxist-Leninist government ever nationalized private cars. Or furniture, or home appliances, or... anything smaller than a house, really.
by Natapoc » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:01 pm
Grand Britannia wrote:Time to dust off some guns and join the rebellion.
by Constantinopolis » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:02 pm
Jankau-Helmutsberg wrote:Psychological studies have shown that people possessing orderly and ambitious personalities earn more in comparison to the artisans and theoreticians. These are the people who statistically succeed financially more often. Even MBTI reflects this. The healthy capitalist system prizes hard work and determination.
by Korouse » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:02 pm
Jankau-Helmutsberg wrote:Korouse wrote:I'm not talking about the banks. I'm talking about your "average" businesses during these ups and downs. They're completely at the hands of the market. Who does and doesn't fail falls on a variety of factors than just "hard work" and such an idealized view is preposterous.
How does an "average" business care about the market? They care about how much they have to buy, how much they have to sell and how much tax they have to pay. In terms of competition, there are antitrust laws which ensure it is fair.
by Eol Sha » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:03 pm
Natapoc wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:Time to dust off some guns and join the rebellion.
Terrorism: A great way to solidify public opinion against your cause and ensure no one cries for you at your tribunal. The media will have the crying mothers of your victims playing non stop, generating public rage against you. Those who would have been sympathetic to your cause will start to see you as monster.
This never works unless you have popular support which the referendum guarantees you don't have.
by Krasny-Volny » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:03 pm
Natapoc wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:Time to dust off some guns and join the rebellion.
Terrorism: A great way to solidify public opinion against your cause and ensure no one cries for you at your tribunal. The media will have the crying mothers of your victims playing non stop, generating public rage against you. Those who would have been sympathetic to your cause will start to see you as monster.
This never works unless you have popular support which the referendum guarantees you don't have.
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:05 pm
Natapoc wrote:Grand Britannia wrote:Time to dust off some guns and join the rebellion.
Terrorism: A great way to solidify public opinion against your cause and ensure no one cries for you at your tribunal. The media will have the crying mothers of your victims playing non stop, generating public rage against you. Those who would have been sympathetic to your cause will start to see you as monster.
This never works unless you have popular support which the referendum guarantees you don't have.
by Grand Britannia » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:05 pm
Krasny-Volny wrote:Natapoc wrote:
Terrorism: A great way to solidify public opinion against your cause and ensure no one cries for you at your tribunal. The media will have the crying mothers of your victims playing non stop, generating public rage against you. Those who would have been sympathetic to your cause will start to see you as monster.
This never works unless you have popular support which the referendum guarantees you don't have.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
by Jankau-Helmutsberg » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:07 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "people possessing orderly and ambitious personalities", but if that's a euphemism for being a psychopath, then bingo, you got it.
Because yes, psychological studies have shown that being a psychopath (that is, lacking normal human empathy) is a major factor in becoming rich.
So I guess you could say that the healthy capitalist system prizes being a ruthless exploiter of your fellow man.
by Socialist Tera » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:08 pm
Eol Sha wrote:Natapoc wrote:
Terrorism: A great way to solidify public opinion against your cause and ensure no one cries for you at your tribunal. The media will have the crying mothers of your victims playing non stop, generating public rage against you. Those who would have been sympathetic to your cause will start to see you as monster.
This never works unless you have popular support which the referendum guarantees you don't have.
Well, depends on how close the referendum is.
by Socialist Tera » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:10 pm
by Natapoc » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:12 pm
Socialist Tera wrote:I created this topic to get some data to prove myself that capitalists are just as violent as communists. Hell, you don't see me violently trying to overthrow the state, do you? Before you say that's because this state is not tyrannical, it is because I want popular support and to help the population rather than sabotaging with bombs.
by Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:13 pm
Socialist Tera wrote:I created this topic to get some data to prove myself that capitalists are just as violent as communists. Hell, you don't see me violently trying to overthrow the state, do you? Before you say that's because this state is not tyrannical, it is because I want popular support and to help the population rather than sabotaging with bombs.
by Jankau-Helmutsberg » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:13 pm
Korouse wrote:Less consumer spending, less money for employees, less manpower for growth, etc.
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