by A Czecherboard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:02 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:04 am
by Prauria » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:04 am
A Czecherboard wrote:Hello Nationstates,
For a while I have seen several self-proclaimed "pagans" on this board, most of which are very liberal, and most of whom constantly attack Christianity, while claim Islam to be a religion of peace.
My message to these people is to stop using the gods of myself and my ancestors to rebel against your conservative parents. It is disrespectful, and makes Paganism look more ridiculous than it already does.
There are many things that these "pagans" believe or want, that are not pagan at all. To make it easier, I have compiled a list of things that no actual pagan would want or believe. If you want or believe any or all of these things, then you are not a true pagan in my eyes. For this list, I will be viewing it from a Norse Pagan perspective, because I am norse, however there are many other forms of paganism originating in Europe.
1. Open borders
Borders were formed for a reason, because certain groups of people don't get along with other groups of people. Opening borders will weaken everyone in the region.
2. Supporting "Syrian Refugees"
You would be laughed out of a room if you suggested that a village take in thousands of foreign refugees, many of which may be a threat to the stability of the region.
3. Feminism
While women were allowed to vote, and a few occasionally went on raids, their first duty was to be housewives. They knew their place, and so should you.
4. White Privilege/White guilt
Suggesting a pagan not be proud of what his people and ancestors had done, whether that be conquering or building great things, would probably get you killed.
5. Pacifism
War was a way of life for pagans all around Europe. They may not have wanted it, but they understood that if it came, they would have to be ready.
6. Multiculturalism
Again, borders existed because certain groups were incompatible with one another.
7. Fat acceptance
An exception would be made if they are or were good warriors, but children who were fat and lazy were children that were useless, and there's no place for that.
8. Weakness
Physical or mental disabilities, or just plain weakness, were, and still are bad things. Most babies who had this were left to die. One exception being Ivar the Boneless, but he was the son of a King, and even then, his father wanted to leave him to die. If you can overcome your disability, then you will be accepted.
9. Homosexuality
Homosexuality was punishable by death in Pagan society. Transgenderism or whatever the fuck you call it was out of the question.
So, if you happen to support any of the things listen above, please do me and any other real pagans a favor, and find another religion to rebel against your parents with. Thanks.
by Aggicificicerous » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:07 am
A Czecherboard wrote:For a while I have seen several self-proclaimed "pagans" on this board, most of which are very liberal, and most of whom constantly attack Christianity, while claim Islam to be a religion of peace.
by Community Values » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:07 am
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:09 am
by Merriwhether » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:10 am
by Ithqington » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:11 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:12 am
Ithqington wrote:No, I did not see any pagans in Nationstates before?
Even I join Nationstates just for 2 years now, and I never seen one pagan in this site
by Community Values » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:13 am
Ithqington wrote:No, I did not see any pagans in Nationstates before?
Even I join Nationstates just for 2 years now, and I never seen one pagan in this site
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:13 am
Merriwhether wrote:Being a self-proclaimed or proper Pagan doesn't obligate you to observe 'traditional' prejudices and conservatism of yore. Let's be realistic, freedom of conscience still exists and a person's religion is neither here nor there. That's all I have to say and I'm not debating the point.
by A Czecherboard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:14 am
A Czecherboard wrote:For this list, I will be viewing it from a Norse Pagan perspective, because I am norse,
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
Oh and you seem to think all pagans are vikings
Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism to?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
by Thyrgga » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:14 am
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
O, And you seem to think all pagans are vikings.
Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism too?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:16 am
A Czecherboard wrote:A Czecherboard wrote:For this list, I will be viewing it from a Norse Pagan perspective, because I am norse,Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
Oh and you seem to think all pagans are vikings
Political views have a lot to do with religion. You'll notice that most of the people who are muslim also support Shariah law.
by The Portland Territory » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:16 am
Prauria wrote:A Czecherboard wrote:Hello Nationstates,
For a while I have seen several self-proclaimed "pagans" on this board, most of which are very liberal, and most of whom constantly attack Christianity, while claim Islam to be a religion of peace.
My message to these people is to stop using the gods of myself and my ancestors to rebel against your conservative parents. It is disrespectful, and makes Paganism look more ridiculous than it already does.
There are many things that these "pagans" believe or want, that are not pagan at all. To make it easier, I have compiled a list of things that no actual pagan would want or believe. If you want or believe any or all of these things, then you are not a true pagan in my eyes. For this list, I will be viewing it from a Norse Pagan perspective, because I am norse, however there are many other forms of paganism originating in Europe.
1. Open borders
Borders were formed for a reason, because certain groups of people don't get along with other groups of people. Opening borders will weaken everyone in the region.
2. Supporting "Syrian Refugees"
You would be laughed out of a room if you suggested that a village take in thousands of foreign refugees, many of which may be a threat to the stability of the region.
3. Feminism
While women were allowed to vote, and a few occasionally went on raids, their first duty was to be housewives. They knew their place, and so should you.
4. White Privilege/White guilt
Suggesting a pagan not be proud of what his people and ancestors had done, whether that be conquering or building great things, would probably get you killed.
5. Pacifism
War was a way of life for pagans all around Europe. They may not have wanted it, but they understood that if it came, they would have to be ready.
6. Multiculturalism
Again, borders existed because certain groups were incompatible with one another.
7. Fat acceptance
An exception would be made if they are or were good warriors, but children who were fat and lazy were children that were useless, and there's no place for that.
8. Weakness
Physical or mental disabilities, or just plain weakness, were, and still are bad things. Most babies who had this were left to die. One exception being Ivar the Boneless, but he was the son of a King, and even then, his father wanted to leave him to die. If you can overcome your disability, then you will be accepted.
9. Homosexuality
Homosexuality was punishable by death in Pagan society. Transgenderism or whatever the fuck you call it was out of the question.
So, if you happen to support any of the things listen above, please do me and any other real pagans a favor, and find another religion to rebel against your parents with. Thanks.
says the Nazi
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:16 am
Thyrgga wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
O, And you seem to think all pagans are vikings.Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism too?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
What does it mean to "have" or "identify with" a religion if one does not believe in its tenets? Why even identify with the religion at that point?
by A Czecherboard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:17 am
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Merriwhether wrote:Being a self-proclaimed or proper Pagan doesn't obligate you to observe 'traditional' prejudices and conservatism of yore. Let's be realistic, freedom of conscience still exists and a person's religion is neither here nor there. That's all I have to say and I'm not debating the point.
The only thing that is a true pagan isliterally anyone in a religion that isn't a form of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.
So this entire thread is a pin-worthy example of a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Thyrgga wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
O, And you seem to think all pagans are vikings.Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism too?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
What does it mean to "have" or "identify with" a religion if one does not believe in its tenets? Why even identify with the religion at that point?
by Tulais » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:18 am
A Czecherboard wrote:My message to these people is to stop using the gods of myself and my ancestors to rebel against your conservative parents. It is disrespectful, and makes Paganism look more ridiculous than it already does.
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:19 am
Thyrgga wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
O, And you seem to think all pagans are vikings.Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism too?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
What does it mean to "have" or "identify with" a religion if one does not believe in its tenets? Why even identify with the religion at that point?
by Community Values » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:19 am
A Czecherboard wrote:Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism to?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
Clearly you don't understand paganism. The gods aren't actual gods. They're paragons of certain virtues, Thor for strength and masculinity, Odin for wisdom and honor, Loki for cunning, etc.
The point of this is that the pagans who only say they're pagans to attack or go against Christianity are almost always liberal, despite paganism itself being very right-wing.
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by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:20 am
A Czecherboard wrote:A Czecherboard wrote:For this list, I will be viewing it from a Norse Pagan perspective, because I am norse,Internationalist Bastard wrote:Have you considered people can have political views that have nothing to do with religion?
Oh and you seem to think all pagans are vikings
Political views have a lot to do with religion. You'll notice that most of the people who are muslim also support Shariah law.Community Values wrote:Doesn't the alt-right support paganism to?
If that's true, imagine this. People don't choose paganism because of their political views, it's because they believe in it. Damn, people believe in their religion? What's next, blue skies? Toasters toasting bread? Nazis hating jews?
Clearly you don't understand paganism. The gods aren't actual gods. They're paragons of certain virtues, Thor for strength and masculinity, Odin for wisdom and honor, Loki for cunning, etc.
The point of this is that the pagans who only say they're pagans to attack or go against Christianity are almost always liberal, despite paganism itself being very right-wing.
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:20 am
A Czecherboard wrote:
They're not pagans because they believe in that stuff. They're not pagans because they only say they're pagans to attack Christianity. It's like a libertarian voting for republican because he doesn't want a democrat president.
by Lady Scylla » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:20 am
A Czecherboard wrote:Hello Nationstates,
For a while I have seen several self-proclaimed "pagans" on this board, most of which are very liberal, and most of whom constantly attack Christianity, while claim Islam to be a religion of peace.
My message to these people is to stop using the gods of myself and my ancestors to rebel against your conservative parents. It is disrespectful, and makes Paganism look more ridiculous than it already does.
There are many things that these "pagans" believe or want, that are not pagan at all. To make it easier, I have compiled a list of things that no actual pagan would want or believe. If you want or believe any or all of these things, then you are not a true pagan in my eyes. For this list, I will be viewing it from a Norse Pagan perspective, because I am norse, however there are many other forms of paganism originating in Europe.
1. Open borders
Borders were formed for a reason, because certain groups of people don't get along with other groups of people. Opening borders will weaken everyone in the region.
2. Supporting "Syrian Refugees"
You would be laughed out of a room if you suggested that a village take in thousands of foreign refugees, many of which may be a threat to the stability of the region.
3. Feminism
While women were allowed to vote, and a few occasionally went on raids, their first duty was to be housewives. They knew their place, and so should you.
4. White Privilege/White guilt
Suggesting a pagan not be proud of what his people and ancestors had done, whether that be conquering or building great things, would probably get you killed.
5. Pacifism
War was a way of life for pagans all around Europe. They may not have wanted it, but they understood that if it came, they would have to be ready.
6. Multiculturalism
Again, borders existed because certain groups were incompatible with one another.
7. Fat acceptance
An exception would be made if they are or were good warriors, but children who were fat and lazy were children that were useless, and there's no place for that.
8. Weakness
Physical or mental disabilities, or just plain weakness, were, and still are bad things. Most babies who had this were left to die. One exception being Ivar the Boneless, but he was the son of a King, and even then, his father wanted to leave him to die. If you can overcome your disability, then you will be accepted.
9. Homosexuality
Homosexuality was punishable by death in Pagan society. Transgenderism or whatever the fuck you call it was out of the question.
So, if you happen to support any of the things listen above, please do me and any other real pagans a favor, and find another religion to rebel against your parents with. Thanks.
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