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Repeal anytime, anyday!
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Never repeal!
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Only repeal after a certain number of days.
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Only Regional Delegates can repeal.
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The United Universe
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Postby The United Universe » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:24 pm

I wonder why half of all WA resolutions get repealed, many of them right away.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:56 pm

The United Universe wrote:I wonder why half of all WA resolutions get repealed, many of them right away.

Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

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Postby Tinfect » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:00 pm

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Postby Sciongrad » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:25 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Lemmings.

OOC: Probably not. Misrepresentation, more likely.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:59 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Lemmings.

OOC: Probably not. Misrepresentation, more likely.

OOC: And people realizing that passing something in category X affects nations' stats Y and Z, and them wanting to reset the change.
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Postby The United Universe » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:23 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The United Universe wrote:I wonder why half of all WA resolutions get repealed, many of them right away.

Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.
Araraukar wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:OOC: Probably not. Misrepresentation, more likely.

OOC: And people realizing that passing something in category X affects nations' stats Y and Z, and them wanting to reset the change.

Maybe that's it.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:36 am

The United Universe wrote:When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

OOC: Also, most people simply don't read the proposals very thoroughly, they just vote whatever they feel like at the moment, or what their region-mates or friends told them they're going to vote, or whatever side is winning (that last one is called the lemming effect). I've also heard rumours that some delegates *cough*Vancouvia*cough* threaten to kick people out of their region if they do not vote certain way...
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Postby The United Universe » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:47 am

Araraukar wrote:
The United Universe wrote:When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

OOC: Also, most people simply don't read the proposals very thoroughly, they just vote whatever they feel like at the moment, or what their region-mates or friends told them they're going to vote, or whatever side is winning (that last one is called the lemming effect). I've also heard rumours that some delegates *cough*Vancouvia*cough* threaten to kick people out of their region if they do not vote certain way...

At least my region hasn't voted yet.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:24 am

The United Universe wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

I don't follow. Why should bad legislation have a period in which it must be kept active?

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:23 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The United Universe wrote:Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

I don't follow. Why should bad legislation have a period in which it must be kept active?

In the hopes that people would pay a little more attention on what they're actually voting "for" on?
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Postby Tyrnica » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:48 am

The United Universe wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.
Araraukar wrote:OOC: And people realizing that passing something in category X affects nations' stats Y and Z, and them wanting to reset the change.

Maybe that's it.


Using Imperium Anglorum's example of the Brexit referendum, that'd be like finalising all of the leaving procedures, only to hold another referendum and have to start the joining method all over again – instead of, say, having another referendum now and pretending the first one never happened.

We're able to do repeals immediately because people look over the resolution text and realise that they don't actually want this change to happen. So, they initiate a repeal and they're able to say, ICly, that the changes were either never made because the resolution was in effect for so little a time, or they weren't able to employ the full extent of the proposal.

This is far more preferable than, for example, going through a economic low for a month, as opposed to going through an economic low for a week.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:56 am

Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I don't follow. Why should bad legislation have a period in which it must be kept active?

In the hopes that people would pay a little more attention on what they're actually voting "for" on?

As if that is ever going to happen.

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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:52 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:In the hopes that people would pay a little more attention on what they're actually voting "for" on?

As if that is ever going to happen.

Well it would also let us keep good legislation - where someone just had a grudge against the author and wanted to repeal it on those grounds - for a little longer. :P
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:36 am

Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:As if that is ever going to happen.

Well it would also let us keep good legislation - where someone just had a grudge against the author and wanted to repeal it on those grounds - for a little longer. :P

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