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Postby New Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:22 am

Believe me when I tell you that Hillary & Elizabeth Warren together in Cincinnati OH totally nailed it this morning, I can tell you that! ...lmao.

HRC must have taken some excellent advice in her meeting with Bernie Sanders last week. Thank God.

She has definitely moved towards the left on economics if this speech is any indication of where the Democratic platform is going. Also, the rip roaring introduction by Elizabeth Warren was just scintillating.

The looks Clinton gave Warren during her intro were very quite approving, possibly even telling of intentions. HRC then started her speech with a five - seven minute rave about Elizabeth's service.

The crowd was as animated and enthusiastic as any crowd I have seen for Hillary this entire election cycle. Clinton-Warren sure looked like the blockbuster sort of winning ticket I have envisioned it to be.
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Postby New Giliberafta » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:27 am

New Jerzylvania wrote:Believe me when I tell you that Hillary & Elizabeth Warren together in Cincinnati OH totally nailed it this morning, I can tell you that! ...lmao.

HRC must have taken some excellent advice in her meeting with Bernie Sanders last week. Thank God.

She has definitely moved towards the left on economics if this speech is any indication of where the Democratic platform is going. Also, the rip roaring introduction by Elizabeth Warren was just scintillating.

The looks Clinton gave Warren during her intro were very quite approving, possibly even telling of intentions. HRC then started her speech with a five - seven minute rave about Elizabeth's service.

The crowd was as animated and enthusiastic as any crowd I have seen for Hillary this entire election cycle. Clinton-Warren sure looked like the blockbuster sort of winning ticket I have envisioned it to be.

She shouod bring Bernie along her canpaign too. Hopefully energize Bernie supporterd
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:30 am

New Giliberafta wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Believe me when I tell you that Hillary & Elizabeth Warren together in Cincinnati OH totally nailed it this morning, I can tell you that! ...lmao.

HRC must have taken some excellent advice in her meeting with Bernie Sanders last week. Thank God.

She has definitely moved towards the left on economics if this speech is any indication of where the Democratic platform is going. Also, the rip roaring introduction by Elizabeth Warren was just scintillating.

The looks Clinton gave Warren during her intro were very quite approving, possibly even telling of intentions. HRC then started her speech with a five - seven minute rave about Elizabeth's service.

The crowd was as animated and enthusiastic as any crowd I have seen for Hillary this entire election cycle. Clinton-Warren sure looked like the blockbuster sort of winning ticket I have envisioned it to be.

She shouod bring Bernie along her canpaign too. Hopefully energize Bernie supporterd



I'm sure that's in the works. Probably starting at the convention.
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Postby Myrensis » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:40 am

Guy wrote:
Corrian wrote:I am actually surprised he didn't win the San Francisco area, or at least didn't do better, but wut. How even...

What's worst is that a speaker in an official-looking rally said that.

Like, they couldn't have at least bothered checking the latest returns?

San Francisco County is even fully certified and finalised at this point.


That entire subreddit is comedy gold. It may actually be more entertaining than Fox News comment sections.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:07 pm

Corrian wrote:I am actually surprised he didn't win the San Francisco area, or at least didn't do better, but wut. How even...


Because Bernie's politics is more class-based and social democrat - for example, supporting heavy taxes to fund government programs and opposing things like soda taxes. San Francisco is more middle/upper-middle class liberalism that is more social issues than class based. I think wealthy liberals supported Hillary for obvious reasons.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:13 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
Corrian wrote:I am actually surprised he didn't win the San Francisco area, or at least didn't do better, but wut. How even...


Because Bernie's politics is more class-based and social democrat - for example, supporting heavy taxes to fund government programs and opposing things like soda taxes. San Francisco is more middle/upper-middle class liberalism that is more social issues than class based. I think wealthy liberals supported Hillary for obvious reasons.

San Francisco isn't against heavy taxes. They have many of their own that add up.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:16 pm

So apparently if only Whites voted in the general election, Trump would win over Clinton by a landslide, 50 to 40%.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:17 pm

Saiwania wrote:So apparently if only Whites voted in the general election, Trump would win over Clinton by a landslide, 50 to 40%.

You're a Dump Trump supporter now?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:19 pm

Geilinor wrote:You're a Dump Trump supporter now?


Yes, but only because there is every indication that Trump hasn't been doing what it takes to win. I'm in a dilemma where my favored candidate is setting himself up for defeat. I care more about the Republican party, so I'll switch if a convention coup happens.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:20 pm

Saiwania wrote:So apparently if only Whites voted in the general election, Trump would win over Clinton by a landslide, 50 to 40%.

Apparently white people are stupid :)

(Ignore my own subtle racism there, it's a joke)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:22 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Geilinor wrote:You're a Dump Trump supporter now?


Yes, but only because there is every indication that Trump hasn't been doing what it takes to win. I'm in a dilemma where my favored candidate is setting himself up for defeat. I care more about the Republican party, so I'll switch if a convention coup happens.


I wouldn't be too concerned about it, the polls (as meaningless as they are this far out) aren't nearly as bad as everyone would have you believe. That recent one where Clinton lead by 12 points shrunk to only 2 points when Johnson was included.

Plus it might just be me but over the past few days it seems like Trump's overall demeanor has changed.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Plus it might just be me but over the past few days it seems like Trump's overall demeanor has changed.

It has? He changes around so much I don't even know anymore :P
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:35 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Geilinor wrote:You're a Dump Trump supporter now?


Yes, but only because there is every indication that Trump hasn't been doing what it takes to win. I'm in a dilemma where my favored candidate is setting himself up for defeat. I care more about the Republican party, so I'll switch if a convention coup happens.


I predict Trump will win the presidency, he already won the Republican presidential nominee like I predicted also.

At this point, I hope not but I'm positive that he will win.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:41 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:Believe me when I tell you that Hillary & Elizabeth Warren together in Cincinnati OH totally nailed it this morning, I can tell you that! ...lmao.

HRC must have taken some excellent advice in her meeting with Bernie Sanders last week. Thank God.

She has definitely moved towards the left on economics if this speech is any indication of where the Democratic platform is going. Also, the rip roaring introduction by Elizabeth Warren was just scintillating.

The looks Clinton gave Warren during her intro were very quite approving, possibly even telling of intentions. HRC then started her speech with a five - seven minute rave about Elizabeth's service.

The crowd was as animated and enthusiastic as any crowd I have seen for Hillary this entire election cycle. Clinton-Warren sure looked like the blockbuster sort of winning ticket I have envisioned it to be.


Considering the talk of Warren as VP, and the recent reports that she was on the short list of people being vetted, this is a pretty strong indication of Clinton's leanings, I think.

It may be a sort of "trial run" to see how she and Warren work together and how the public responds to them campaigning together. If its gone well, Warren will likely be VP.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:43 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:Considering the talk of Warren as VP, and the recent reports that she was on the short list of people being vetted, this is a pretty strong indication of Clinton's leanings, I think.

It may be a sort of "trial run" to see how she and Warren work together and how the public responds to them campaigning together. If its gone well, Warren will likely be VP.

You should watch it
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:51 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
New Jerzylvania wrote:Believe me when I tell you that Hillary & Elizabeth Warren together in Cincinnati OH totally nailed it this morning, I can tell you that! ...lmao.

HRC must have taken some excellent advice in her meeting with Bernie Sanders last week. Thank God.

She has definitely moved towards the left on economics if this speech is any indication of where the Democratic platform is going. Also, the rip roaring introduction by Elizabeth Warren was just scintillating.

The looks Clinton gave Warren during her intro were very quite approving, possibly even telling of intentions. HRC then started her speech with a five - seven minute rave about Elizabeth's service.

The crowd was as animated and enthusiastic as any crowd I have seen for Hillary this entire election cycle. Clinton-Warren sure looked like the blockbuster sort of winning ticket I have envisioned it to be.


Considering the talk of Warren as VP, and the recent reports that she was on the short list of people being vetted, this is a pretty strong indication of Clinton's leanings, I think.

It may be a sort of "trial run" to see how she and Warren work together and how the public responds to them campaigning together. If its gone well, Warren will likely be VP.


I wonder if we'll maybe see some of the other short-listers being taken out on the town in a similar way, auditioning them all for the role.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Yes, but only because there is every indication that Trump hasn't been doing what it takes to win. I'm in a dilemma where my favored candidate is setting himself up for defeat. I care more about the Republican party, so I'll switch if a convention coup happens.


I wouldn't be too concerned about it, the polls (as meaningless as they are this far out) aren't nearly as bad as everyone would have you believe. That recent one where Clinton lead by 12 points shrunk to only 2 points when Johnson was included.

Plus it might just be me but over the past few days it seems like Trump's overall demeanor has changed.

The fuck you smoking? Her lead shrank by two points when Johnson and Stein are included. I suspect Stein won't break 1% and Johnson won't break five anyway.

He's slightly less acerbic than usual, but he was like this back in March.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:53 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I wouldn't be too concerned about it, the polls (as meaningless as they are this far out) aren't nearly as bad as everyone would have you believe. That recent one where Clinton lead by 12 points shrunk to only 2 points when Johnson was included.

Plus it might just be me but over the past few days it seems like Trump's overall demeanor has changed.

The fuck you smoking? Her lead shrank by two points when Johnson and Stein are included. I suspect Stein won't break 1% and Johnson won't break five anyway.

He's slightly less acerbic than usual, but he was like this back in March.


I don't smoke anything, it was never my thing tbh. I did forget it included Stein though.

If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.
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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:The fuck you smoking? Her lead shrank by two points when Johnson and Stein are included. I suspect Stein won't break 1% and Johnson won't break five anyway.

He's slightly less acerbic than usual, but he was like this back in March.


I don't smoke anything, it was never my thing tbh. I did forget it included Stein though.

If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-conten ... ection.pdf

I think this is a lot more realistic than the NBC poll with Johnson at 10% and Stein at 6%. 3% usually puts a third party on track for less than 1% and 7% puts one on track for a 3-5%.

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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.

Come on, don't vote Trump. Vote your morals. Johnson needs everyone he can get. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.


Please vote for literally anything but Trump. Write in Andrew Jackson's moldering corpse, but please not Trump.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:13 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.


Please vote for literally anything but Trump. Write in Andrew Jackson's moldering corpse, but please not Trump.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:16 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't smoke anything, it was never my thing tbh. I did forget it included Stein though.

If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-conten ... ection.pdf

I think this is a lot more realistic than the NBC poll with Johnson at 10% and Stein at 6%. 3% usually puts a third party on track for less than 1% and 7% puts one on track for a 3-5%.


I'm just hoping for a few 15% polls, if we can't get debate access I'm doubtful about our chances to get 5%.

Astrolinium wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.


Please vote for literally anything but Trump. Write in Andrew Jackson's moldering corpse, but please not Trump.


Better than Hillary.

Corrian wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:If Johnson won't break five then I might as well just vote Trump.

Come on, don't vote Trump. Vote your morals. Johnson needs everyone he can get. Keep fighting the good fight!


I'm sticking around for now.
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Postby Guy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:16 pm

Saiwania wrote:So apparently if only Whites voted in the general election, Trump would win over Clinton by a landslide, 50 to 40%.

This would be true of any Republican. Numbers might slightly change here and there due to appeal to different demographic groups (e.g. Utah vs Penn would look different) but overall you'll see a very similar result.
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Postby New Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:26 pm

Guy wrote:
Saiwania wrote:So apparently if only Whites voted in the general election, Trump would win over Clinton by a landslide, 50 to 40%.

This would be true of any Republican. Numbers might slightly change here and there due to appeal to different demographic groups (e.g. Utah vs Penn would look different) but overall you'll see a very similar result.


Not if they were all required to have DNA tests (great idea, Scott Brown, heh)!

Any DNA from non-white origins would make the voter ineligible. Hell, I don't even know what to say about that Neanderthal DNA in white people. smh.

I hope this properly illuminates the absurdity of the original proposal in the first place. People are people. Maybe even Neanderthals.
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