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To which branch of Islam do you belong?

Sunni
180
40%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafist)
17
4%
Shia (Ja'fari)
21
5%
Shia (Sufi/Other)
17
4%
Ibadi
10
2%
Quranist
17
4%
Mahdist (Ahmadiyya/Mahdavia)
8
2%
Non-Denominational
45
10%
Other
104
23%
 
Total votes : 450

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Postby The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

here is the image:(Image)

...no...why?

thanks,btw,i live in south east asia,you?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:27 am

The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:...no...why?

thanks,btw,i live in south east asia,you?

No, USA.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:19 am

The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

here is the image:(Image)

Yes it is emulation of a kufar's (non-believers) hair style is Haram grow your hair like Muhammad's (SAAWS) which is a shoulder's length
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Postby Senegalboy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:38 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

here is the image:(Image)

Yes it is emulation of a kufar's (non-believers) hair style is Haram grow your hair like Muhammad's (SAAWS) which is a shoulder's length

A problem.not all people's hair goes back and into the shoulders

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:40 am

The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair


Do you want the hairstyle to honour and worship him ?
Then perhaps.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:16 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

here is the image:(Image)

Yes it is emulation of a kufar's (non-believers) hair style is Haram grow your hair like Muhammad's (SAAWS) which is a shoulder's length

We don't have to look like the Prophet (SAWS). Besides, many people have that hairstyle. This is not trying to look like anyone.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:52 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Yes it is emulation of a kufar's (non-believers) hair style is Haram grow your hair like Muhammad's (SAAWS) which is a shoulder's length

We don't have to look like the Prophet (SAWS). Besides, many people have that hairstyle. This is not trying to look like anyone.

The scholars have all said making your hair look like a non-Muslim's is haram just grow it in a way that is natural or like Muhammad's (SAAWS) like my hair is quite long goes a bit pass my shoulders
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:57 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:We don't have to look like the Prophet (SAWS). Besides, many people have that hairstyle. This is not trying to look like anyone.

The scholars have all said making your hair look like a non-Muslim's is haram just grow it in a way that is natural or like Muhammad's (SAAWS) like my hair is quite long goes a bit pass my shoulders

I would agree that you shouldn't try to look like someone, but having a certain hairstyle isn't really trying to look like anyone - unless if that was one's goal of course. But the scholars' reason for it sounds strange.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:01 pm

Good examples
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The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – wore his hair long until his passing from this world, “from more than shoulder-length (fawqa al-jumma*) to short of the earlobes (dûna al-wafra**)” as narrated from ‘A’isha – Allah be well-pleased with her – by al-Tirmidhi (hasan sahîh gharîb). Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib said: “Never did I see anyone with head-and-shoulder hair (dhî limma***) look more more handsome with a red garment on than the Messenger of Allah, his hair over his shoulders (sha‘ruhu yadribu minkabayh), wide-shouldered, neither tall nor short.” (Muslim, Ahmad, and the Sunan except Ibn Majah)
Al-Qadi ‘Iyad said that the freely-hanging hair (sadl), forelock (nâsiya), and shoulder-length hair (jumma) were abrogated. At the time the Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – entered Makka, he was wearing his hair braided in four plaits (ghadâ’ir, dafâ’ir, ‘aqâ’is). Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (hasan gharîb, in some mss. gharîb only), Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, and Ahmad, all four with the same chain graded “fair” (hasan) by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (10:304), a grading confirmed by Shaykh Shu‘ayb al-Arna’ut in his edition of al-Baghawi’s Sharh al-Sunna (12:97).
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:03 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:The scholars have all said making your hair look like a non-Muslim's is haram just grow it in a way that is natural or like Muhammad's (SAAWS) like my hair is quite long goes a bit pass my shoulders

I would agree that you shouldn't try to look like someone, but having a certain hairstyle isn't really trying to look like anyone - unless if that was one's goal of course. But the scholars' reason for it sounds strange.

The scholars are the best source of guidance in the post Muhammad (SAAWS) world they have studied Islam literally for decades and die studying it Muhammad (SAAWS) said "If you don't seak knowledge in your youth but rather in your old age and die studying the deen you will have died as a martyr"
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:15 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I would agree that you shouldn't try to look like someone, but having a certain hairstyle isn't really trying to look like anyone - unless if that was one's goal of course. But the scholars' reason for it sounds strange.

The scholars are the best source of guidance in the post Muhammad (SAAWS) world they have studied Islam literally for decades and die studying it Muhammad (SAAWS) said "If you don't seak knowledge in your youth but rather in your old age and die studying the deen you will have died as a martyr"

That quote is cool :)
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Postby Senegalboy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:58 pm

My hair is a bit shorter than the first example but really no difference

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Postby Alsheb » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:20 pm

Are we seriously discussing the theological implications of hairstyles? Like... For reeal? We don't have anything more important or substantial to talk about but a person's hair? My God...
Islam teaches nothing about hairstyle, there is no rule about hairstyle, the Qur'an doesn't say anything about haitstyle. Wear your hair however you want it. That's all, end of story, moving on.
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Postby Senegalboy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:26 pm

Ok so how is everyone

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:52 pm

Senegalboy wrote:Ok so how is everyone

I'm cool. I moved to the United Empire of Islam. How are you?
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Postby Senegalboy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:05 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Senegalboy wrote:Ok so how is everyone

I'm cool. I moved to the United Empire of Islam. How are you?

The UEI i used to be there

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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:30 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:
The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

here is the image:(Image)

Yes it is emulation of a kufar's (non-believers) hair style is Haram grow your hair like Muhammad's (SAAWS) which is a shoulder's length

Image
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Postby The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:06 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway wrote:Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair


Do you want the hairstyle to honour and worship him ?
Then perhaps.

nope,i'm not worshiping him.

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Postby Czervenika » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:13 pm

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Good examples
(Image)


Is it bad that I thought more about how gorgeous this man is?
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:04 pm

Czervenika wrote:
Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Good examples
(Image)


Is it bad that I thought more about how gorgeous this man is?

Well, he is.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:36 pm

Alsheb wrote:Are we seriously discussing the theological implications of hairstyles? Like... For reeal? We don't have anything more important or substantial to talk about but a person's hair? My God...


Hair is incredibly important in many religions. Shave it off and lose your power. Ask Samson. Or any Sikh ;)
So it seems a fair - and rather interesting - discussion.

And I admit liking some of the hairstyles posted here and needing to visit a barber soon anyway :P
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Postby The Servants OF Allah » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:53 am

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:13 am

Ghuraba Al-Khorusani wrote:Good examples
(Image)
(Image)
The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – wore his hair long until his passing from this world, “from more than shoulder-length (fawqa al-jumma*) to short of the earlobes (dûna al-wafra**)” as narrated from ‘A’isha – Allah be well-pleased with her – by al-Tirmidhi (hasan sahîh gharîb). Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib said: “Never did I see anyone with head-and-shoulder hair (dhî limma***) look more more handsome with a red garment on than the Messenger of Allah, his hair over his shoulders (sha‘ruhu yadribu minkabayh), wide-shouldered, neither tall nor short.” (Muslim, Ahmad, and the Sunan except Ibn Majah)
Al-Qadi ‘Iyad said that the freely-hanging hair (sadl), forelock (nâsiya), and shoulder-length hair (jumma) were abrogated. At the time the Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – entered Makka, he was wearing his hair braided in four plaits (ghadâ’ir, dafâ’ir, ‘aqâ’is). Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (hasan gharîb, in some mss. gharîb only), Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, and Ahmad, all four with the same chain graded “fair” (hasan) by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (10:304), a grading confirmed by Shaykh Shu‘ayb al-Arna’ut in his edition of al-Baghawi’s Sharh al-Sunna (12:97).


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Postby Menassa » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:57 am

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http://www.judaism-islam.com/the-islami ... f-judaism/

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Postby Nioya » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:07 am

I'm not a muslim, but actually I wanna study the hadith. Is there any book I could get on it or something? How should I study it?

I'd like to read books about hadith in general, but I'm aware there are debates about certain controversial teachings in the hadith. General western criticisms of islam and all that jazz. I'd also like to read about that stuff, things that address those issues.
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