UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Valaran]

Depends, did Manchester vote Leave or Remain?

Remain, but by Greater Manchester, he's including areas that voted leave.

[CoraSpia]

If London gets devolution, can Greater Manchester get it as well?

Everywhere but Rochdale

I prefer the west midlands anyway, so that's fine by me. And I'm out after education.

[Imperializt Russia]

If London gets devolution, can Greater Manchester get it as well?

Depends, did Manchester vote Leave or Remain?

Like all very large cities that benefit hugely from the EU, it voted to Remain.

[Risottia]

I plan on learning it when I go back to Uni. It's a very good language to learn for a hopeful future physicist along with French and Japanese.

Never forget Russian. There's a lot of original research written in Russian and never translated in any other language.

[Valaran]

Stratford-upon-Avon? Shakespeare's birthplace must be saved from this purist madness!

Sounds fine by me.

[Valaran]

I prefer the west midlands anyway, so that's fine by me. And I'm out after education.

Aren't you going to the US anyhow?

[Divitaen]

Are you seriously implying right now that refugees in rickety boats in the stormy Mediterrenean capsize their ships ON PURPOSE? So that Syrian boy lying dead on a beach was basically drowned by his own parents? What do you mean by your comment?

Yes. The refugees do that on purpose so as to get a guaranteed trip to Italian shores.
That Syrian boy was drowned by his father, who could afford the UNNECESSARY (Dad wanted to visit relatives in Canada as well as get cheap dental surgery done, while he had been safe in Turkey for 3 years) trip to Europe but wouldn't spring another extra 5 dollar for a life vest. That same Syrian boy whose corpse was moved to make for a better picture the crying, gullible left would emo all over.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/more-than-400-refugees-drown-in-mediterranean-after-boats-capsize-crossing-from-egypt-to-italy-a6989046.html

So basically you're saying all these refugees are idiots who are all killing and drowning themselves? In some strange hope that European sympathy will let them in because of their deaths? That is one hell of an outlandish, unsubstantiated claim, not to mention ridiculous given how uncompassionate people in Europe have been to all these dying children.

[Minzerland]

That proved that a poster was xenophobic?

It proves there's a consistent theme of targeting certain groups of people among the Leave campaign - which the poster was another tool for. Those sources of combined with the poster bury your little assertion of it merely being a "side effect".

So you admit it? You're telling what I believe.

I'm bursting your bubble, calling you out, refuting your assertion, call it what you will.

Either way, this little ring around your trying to get going isn't working. Fortunately, the people involved with the poster have slipped up too many times for this to be anything other than denial on your part.

I concede, largely due to fatigue.

[CoraSpia]

Muslims are not a race.

The other URL, I'll have to look into more.

So but being an Arab or Turk is a race, and the emphasis on Islam is disproportionately focussed on these ethnic minorities. I mention Turkey because of course another example of racial dog-whistling was the emphasis on Turkey joining the EU:

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/15/campaign-britain-leave-europe-descends-anti-immigrant-hysteria-farce-trump-way/

The poignant emphasis on violence in Turkey's parliament, high birth rates in Turkey, the high Muslim population in Turkey, all these facts published to British voters for a very, very clear purpose and intention.

When I was campaigning, if I was asked about Turkey I mentioned the poverty level rather than the race, which is a genuine concern.

[Napkiraly]

Depends, did Manchester vote Leave or Remain?

Like all very large cities that benefit hugely from the EU, it voted to Remain.

Funnily enough the places most dependent on the EU tended to vote Leave.

[CoraSpia]

Like all very large cities that benefit hugely from the EU, it voted to Remain.

Funnily enough the places most dependent on the EU tended to vote Leave.

Birmingham obviously not a large city then?

[Vassenor]

Like all very large cities that benefit hugely from the EU, it voted to Remain.

Funnily enough the places most dependent on the EU tended to vote Leave.

Northern Wales voted In, and it's pretty heavily dependent.

[Divitaen]

So but being an Arab or Turk is a race, and the emphasis on Islam is disproportionately focussed on these ethnic minorities. I mention Turkey because of course another example of racial dog-whistling was the emphasis on Turkey joining the EU:

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/15/campaign-britain-leave-europe-descends-anti-immigrant-hysteria-farce-trump-way/

The poignant emphasis on violence in Turkey's parliament, high birth rates in Turkey, the high Muslim population in Turkey, all these facts published to British voters for a very, very clear purpose and intention.

When I was campaigning, if I was asked about Turkey I mentioned the poverty level rather than the race, which is a genuine concern.

Okay yeah maybe that's the way you campaigned but clearly that wasn't the overall narrative being fed to potential Leave voters. The emphasis was always on Islam, the violence in Turkey, the high birth rates, all the typical talking points for Islamophobic racists.

[Arkinesia]

--after all that shit goes down (and "shit" is the beginning of the appropriation of appropriateness here), what then? Are we back to war and whiteness?

Europe would do just fine with the EU ceasing to exist. The borders of European countries are permanently set, there is a proper balance of power and there aren't any reasons for a major war like there was in the lead up to both World Wars. But in the mean time, without the EU- the nations of Europe will be more free to keep the refugees from north Africa or the middle east out completely and thus these people will be discouraged enough to stop coming.

Holy shit, do you know anything about European history? Or the myriad independence movements throughout Europe? Hell, Belgium's got two.

[Kaztropol]

Like all very large cities that benefit hugely from the EU, it voted to Remain.

Funnily enough the places most dependent on the EU tended to vote Leave.

Social deprivation, mate.

Those places tend to be full of people with very poor socio-economic prospects, and a tendency towards the belief that "the political establishment" have abandoned them, and thusly are more easily convinced by the likes of Farage and the Sun newspaper.

[Stormopolis]

Yes. The refugees do that on purpose so as to get a guaranteed trip to Italian shores.
That Syrian boy was drowned by his father, who could afford the UNNECESSARY (Dad wanted to visit relatives in Canada as well as get cheap dental surgery done, while he had been safe in Turkey for 3 years) trip to Europe but wouldn't spring another extra 5 dollar for a life vest. That same Syrian boy whose corpse was moved to make for a better picture the crying, gullible left would emo all over.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/more-than-400-refugees-drown-in-mediterranean-after-boats-capsize-crossing-from-egypt-to-italy-a6989046.html

So basically you're saying all these refugees are idiots who are all killing and drowning themselves? In some strange hope that European sympathy will let them in because of their deaths? That is one hell of an outlandish, unsubstantiated claim, not to mention ridiculous given how uncompassionate people in Europe have been to all these dying children.

Refer to the last paragraph of my sig for further explanation. YOU say that I say all of them drown themselves. I'm saying it's not unheard of. And how uncompassionate? You're probably not even in Europe. There's been times where I couldn't cross the streets without bumping into at least three very happy looking migrant chilren. How do I know they were migrant children? Because they came out of the building where they were housed.

[Imperializt Russia]

I plan on learning it when I go back to Uni. It's a very good language to learn for a hopeful future physicist along with French and Japanese.

Never forget Russian. There's a lot of original research written in Russian and never translated in any other language.

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Funnily enough the places most dependent on the EU tended to vote Leave.

Birmingham obviously not a large city then?

Oh yeah.

Birmingham's weird though.

[CoraSpia]

When I was campaigning, if I was asked about Turkey I mentioned the poverty level rather than the race, which is a genuine concern.

Okay yeah maybe that's the way you campaigned but clearly that wasn't the overall narrative being fed to potential Leave voters. The emphasis was always on Islam, the violence in Turkey, the high birth rates, all the typical talking points for Islamophobic racists.

A country with a lot of violence joining isn't a concern?

[Divitaen]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/more-than-400-refugees-drown-in-mediterranean-after-boats-capsize-crossing-from-egypt-to-italy-a6989046.html

So basically you're saying all these refugees are idiots who are all killing and drowning themselves? In some strange hope that European sympathy will let them in because of their deaths? That is one hell of an outlandish, unsubstantiated claim, not to mention ridiculous given how uncompassionate people in Europe have been to all these dying children.

Refer to the last paragraph of my sig for further explanation. YOU say that I say all of them drown themselves. I'm saying it's not unheard of. And how uncompassionate? You're probably not even in Europe. There's been times where I couldn't cross the streets without bumping into at least three very happy looking migrant chilren. How do I know they were migrant children? Because they came out of the building where they were housed.

Is there a link or article proving that refugees are drowning their own boats? Otherwise I think rickety boats and bad weather in the Mediterranean provide a far more compelling explanation for all the capsizing and drownings.

[Vassenor]

Okay yeah maybe that's the way you campaigned but clearly that wasn't the overall narrative being fed to potential Leave voters. The emphasis was always on Islam, the violence in Turkey, the high birth rates, all the typical talking points for Islamophobic racists.

A country with a lot of violence joining isn't a concern?

Didn't we have every intention of vetoing that though?

[Napkiraly]

I plan on learning it when I go back to Uni. It's a very good language to learn for a hopeful future physicist along with French and Japanese.

Never forget Russian. There's a lot of original research written in Russian and never translated in any other language.

Da, I forgot about Russian

I plan on learning it when I go back to Uni. It's a very good language to learn for a hopeful future physicist along with French and Japanese.

Not sure how useful German will be. Decommissioning won't start for years and they've only a handful of research reactors in German-speaking countries. Not entirely convinced on Japanese either and even France is trying to scale back on nuclear.

That's for nuclear physics, as a whole they're still among the top countries for physics research. Along with the USA, Russia, and, for now, the UK.

[Divitaen]

Okay yeah maybe that's the way you campaigned but clearly that wasn't the overall narrative being fed to potential Leave voters. The emphasis was always on Islam, the violence in Turkey, the high birth rates, all the typical talking points for Islamophobic racists.

A country with a lot of violence joining isn't a concern?

No as in the article I linked mentioned how the media played clips of a brawl in the Ankara parliament, as if to reinforce the Islamophobic stereotype that Muslims have an innate desire to hurt and beat up other people. That's the context I was referring to.

[Imperializt Russia]

A country with a lot of violence joining isn't a concern?

Didn't we have every intention of vetoing that though?

We pointed out that we do have a veto, and that we won't have to use it for decades because Turkey damn well isn't joining in its current state.

No-one listened. We are, ostensibly, in favour of Turkey joining the EU.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/more-than-400-refugees-drown-in-mediterranean-after-boats-capsize-crossing-from-egypt-to-italy-a6989046.html

So basically you're saying all these refugees are idiots who are all killing and drowning themselves? In some strange hope that European sympathy will let them in because of their deaths? That is one hell of an outlandish, unsubstantiated claim, not to mention ridiculous given how uncompassionate people in Europe have been to all these dying children.

Refer to the last paragraph of my sig for further explanation. YOU say that I say all of them drown themselves. I'm saying it's not unheard of. And how uncompassionate? You're probably not even in Europe. There's been times where I couldn't cross the streets without bumping into at least three very happy looking migrant chilren. How do I know they were migrant children? Because they came out of the building where they were housed.

"THE BROWN MONKEY-LOOKING SCUM CHILDREN ARE LOOKING AT ME AND IN MY WAY WHILE CROSSING THE STREET! IT BURNS!"

- Stormopolis 2016

[Napkiraly]

Funnily enough the places most dependent on the EU tended to vote Leave.

Northern Wales voted In, and it's pretty heavily dependent.

That's why I said tended to vote that way