Tinfect wrote:"The plight of non-sapients is of no concern to the Imperium."
"Ur'rmm, where exactly in the draft's text does it say that the proposal only applies to non-sapient animals, rather than to sapient ones as well?"
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by Bears Armed » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:14 am
Tinfect wrote:"The plight of non-sapients is of no concern to the Imperium."
by Bears Armed » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:19 am
Tinfect wrote:"The plight of non-sapients is of no concern to the Imperium."
Losthaven wrote:Hunting is already regulated by other laws.
by Losthaven » Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:05 pm
Bears Armed wrote:Tinfect wrote:"The plight of non-sapients is of no concern to the Imperium."
"Ur'rmm, where exactly in the draft's text does it say that the proposal only applies to non-sapient animals, rather than to sapient ones as well?"Losthaven wrote:Hunting is already regulated by other laws.
"And those only urge member nations to ban 'unnecessarily cruel' hunting methods, so you have a contradiction here..."
by Araraukar » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:10 am
Losthaven wrote:Recognizing that animals are sentient beings capable of experiencing stress, fear, and pain;
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Bananaistan » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:30 am
by Araraukar » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:15 pm
Losthaven wrote:Doesn't "sentient" just mean "able to feel". I'm certainly not suggesting that animals are sapient.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Losthaven » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:56 pm
Araraukar wrote:Losthaven wrote:Doesn't "sentient" just mean "able to feel". I'm certainly not suggesting that animals are sapient.
OOC: Yeah, but like others have said, humans are animals that are sentient and sapient. By saying "non-sapient", you eliminate that problem. If you made it read "Recognizing that animals are non-sapient, living beings capable of experiencing stress, fear, and pain;" it should be kosher.
If an artificial non-sapient thing was able to feel stress, fear and pain, then yeah, it probably should be classed as an animal and treated as such. (And I won't even bring PPU in to point out that non-sapient plants count as sentient, because I feel the word "animal" shouldn't have to be separately defined. )
by Law Enforcers » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:44 pm
by Liagolas » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:37 pm
Law Enforcers wrote:Something needs to be added to take into account animal testing.
by Losthaven » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:05 am
Bananaistan wrote:I'm no fan of species wanking but my dictionary says that humans are animals, so it would appear that clause 3 has banned sports such as boxing between consenting sapient animals, and indeed, all the clauses apply to all animals, including humans.
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Yeah, but like others have said, humans are animals that are sentient and sapient. By saying "non-sapient", you eliminate that problem. If you made it read "Recognizing that animals are non-sapient, living beings capable of experiencing stress, fear, and pain;" it should be kosher.
Liagolas wrote:Law Enforcers wrote:Something needs to be added to take into account animal testing.
"Unless you're scientists are unbalanced or improperly screened, it is the belief of the Dominion that animal testing would not be considered 'cruel' or 'malicious,' and it is the understanding of the Dominion that this resolution only prohibits cruel and malicious injury to an animal," the hooded Mouth of the Dominion to the World Assembly says. "Nonetheless, the Dominion is not yet entirely convinced that this ought to be made a matter of international concern. Why should this not be left to member nations to legislate upon, especially since this regards the rights of non-sapient beings?"
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:43 am
Bananaistan wrote:"The People's Republic of Bananaistan does not see the treatment of non-human animals as a matter worthy of international concern and, while generally the terms of the proposal are already law in Bananaistan, we will be unable to support codify such matters in international law."
by Liagolas » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:47 am
by Araraukar » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:08 am
Liagolas wrote:"It is the inclination of the Dominion to agree with those ambassadors who have said that this subject does not warrant international legislation," the Mouth says. "Why should the people of Losthaven care what happens to animals in the Dominion or in Bananistan or Imperium Anglorum or anywhere else?"
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:11 am
by Araraukar » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:19 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:A lot of things, Aru, are intentional cruelty. A lot of others are also a necessary evil. Conscription. Taxes. Eminent domain. The greater good is pursued and is sought without recognition to the means. And this world is still better than the alternative.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:56 pm
Araraukar wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:A lot of things, Aru, are intentional cruelty. A lot of others are also a necessary evil. Conscription. Taxes. Eminent domain. The greater good is pursued and is sought without recognition to the means. And this world is still better than the alternative.
OOC: Was that directed at me?
by Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:01 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:A lot of things, Aru, are intentional cruelty. A lot of others are also a necessary evil. Conscription. Taxes. Eminent domain. The greater good is pursued and is sought without recognition to the means. And this world is still better than the alternative.
by Araraukar » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:05 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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by Herby » Sun May 01, 2016 12:39 am
by Araraukar » Sun May 01, 2016 7:52 am
Herby wrote:Not all animals are sentient.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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