Grand Central

[Feux]

Just a Feux. Are they unreasonable assumptions, or is the grandstanding of regional sovereignty simply opportunistic and hypocritical?

I think you like to read to deeply into text.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

What else do we have? It's a text-based game, broseiden.

[95 block]

To my knowledge Osiris is the only invader leaning GCR. So it doesn't make us neutral or defender to support a democratically elected head of government of a raider region.

EWS, your notions of biased opinions that you think you have found in our Stationmaster's official statement on the coup is unwarranted.; especially since you are biased against Festavo for your own reasons. I have advised (along with the rest of our Council of Elders) to leave your feelings as on Osirian aside when acting in the capacity of our Stationmaster. Everyone in Grand Central is proud to have Festavo as a Stationmaster, and supports his noble cause of supporting democracy.

While some of us may be opinionated against Cormac and Tim (for good reason I may add), as a whole most of Grand Central does not know them well enough to hold such negative opinions against them. We have rallied together as a region to fight the good fight. We look forward to working with Osiris to install their democratically elected delegate in the name of raider unity and democracy.

[Feux]

What else do we have? It's a text-based game, broseiden.

You have better judgement.

[Waldeck-Pyrmont]

You seem surprised. Were you not part of the drafting and discussion?

Edit: I suppose Grand Central has become defender or neutral now? You know, to respect the democratic processes of all regions.

No, I'm glad my signature is on there because I support wiping grime from this game.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Besides the fact that "raiding" and "democratically elected delegate" are generally mutually exclusive terms, I seem to have missed the part of "Unity" that mandates raiding regions enforce elections in an imperialist GCR. I though the idea was that we just don't attack each others' raids and be willing to contribute troops when not otherwise deployed, but maybe I've been misinformed.

Pretty sure that the idea of raiding would support either ignoring the entire debacle or supporting one side for entirely selfish means- supporting it because it is right, fair, and legal is more imperialist, at least.

[The Ghost of Festavo]

Grand Central is not just your run of the mill raiding region. We are a region with a regional government, roleplay, discussion, etc that has a raider military.

[95 block]

Besides the fact that "raiding" and "democratically elected delegate" are generally mutually exclusive terms, I seem to have missed the part of "Unity" that mandates raiding regions enforce elections in an imperialist GCR. I though the idea was that we just don't attack each others' raids and be willing to contribute troops when not otherwise deployed, but maybe I've been misinformed.

Pretty sure that the idea of raiding would support either ignoring the entire debacle or supporting one side for entirely selfish means- supporting it because it is right, fair, and legal is more imperialist, at least.

Then you seem to be behind the times my friend, politics have been in raider unity for quite some time.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Grand Central is not just your run of the mill raiding region. We are a region with a regional government, roleplay, discussion, etc that has a raider military.

And defending "legitimate and lawful" governments over ones established by military gameplay, all in the name of "justice," apparently.

Sounds more Independant or imperialist to me. Not that those are bad things, just not what I would call "a raiding military."

[95 block]

Even if it were an imperialist stance for us to take, we can still call ourselves raider. Imperialism is a sublet of invading.

[The Ghost of Festavo]

Grand Central is not just your run of the mill raiding region. We are a region with a regional government, roleplay, discussion, etc that has a raider military.

And defending "legitimate and lawful" governments over ones established by military gameplay, all in the name of "justice," apparently.

Sounds more Independant or imperialist to me. Not that those are bad things, just not what I would call "a raiding military."

The Osiris Fraternal Order is an ally of Grand Central and we support our allies.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

To my knowledge Osiris is the only invader leaning GCR. So it doesn't make us neutral or defender to support a democratically elected head of government of a raider region.

So, then only raiders deserve democracy? Your statement said that "Nobody has the right to put themsleves above the laws, and above the community of a region."

Does that only apply to Osiris?

[Waldeck-Pyrmont]

To my knowledge Osiris is the only invader leaning GCR. So it doesn't make us neutral or defender to support a democratically elected head of government of a raider region.

So, then only raiders deserve democracy? Your statement said that "Nobody has the right to put themsleves above the laws, and above the community of a region."

Does that only apply to Osiris?

Your angle here is?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Even if it were an imperialist stance for us to take, we can still call ourselves raider. Imperialism is a sublet of invading.

I'll leave that one for Onder when he sees it

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

So, then only raiders deserve democracy? Your statement said that "Nobody has the right to put themsleves above the laws, and above the community of a region."

Does that only apply to Osiris?

Your angle here is?

His angle is that that statement could equally be applied to any usurpation of legal power.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

Your angle here is?

His angle is that that statement could equally be applied to any usurpation of legal power.

Of which Grand Central presumably is, or plans to, regularly undertake as raiders.

[Stavelot-Malmedy]

His angle is that that statement could equally be applied to any usurpation of legal power.

Of which Grand Central presumably is, or plans to, regularly undertake as raiders.

There is a difference between an invasion and a coup. An invasion does not pretend to legitimate authority, whereas the sole public justification of Cormac's coup is that Jesus Whale was illegitimately elected and therefore Cormac has the authority, nay, the obligation to take over in the name of good government.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

So if they raided Osiris, you'd support the TGO?

[Stavelot-Malmedy]

That is not what I said at all. All I said is there is a difference between raiding and claiming to be the legitimate authority of a region.

At any rate, this is not debate club. The Government of Grand Central does not engage in deciding hypotheticals.

[John Turner]

Grand Central is not just your run of the mill raiding region. We are a region with a regional government, roleplay, discussion, etc that has a raider military.

And defending "legitimate and lawful" governments over ones established by military gameplay, all in the name of "justice," apparently.

Sounds more Independant or imperialist to me. Not that those are bad things, just not what I would call "a raiding military."

Not all imperialists are raiders. I happen to be an imperialist. I also happen to be a defender, and run a defender aligned region. One can be an imperialist without ever raiding region. It just take more time and patience.

[Crazy girl]

No, I'm glad my signature is on there because I support wiping grime from this game.

Knock it off. Unofficial warning for flaming, only because it is a mild one. Play nice.

[Dark Robes]

So if they raided Osiris, you'd support the TGO?

I think Festavo has already answered your question.

The Osiris Fraternal Order is an ally of Grand Central and we support our allies.

[Saq]

And defending "legitimate and lawful" governments over ones established by military gameplay, all in the name of "justice," apparently.

Sounds more Independant or imperialist to me. Not that those are bad things, just not what I would call "a raiding military."

The Osiris Fraternal Order is an ally of Grand Central and we support our allies.

Since when? Did I somehow miss the alliance negotiations between the OFO and GC? Or are you just claiming to be allies now because it's convenient?

The OFO never had formal relations with Grand Central before the Transitional Government.

[South Boston Irishmen]

The Osiris Fraternal Order is an ally of Grand Central and we support our allies.

Since when? Did I somehow miss the alliance negotiations between the OFO and GC? Or are you just claiming to be allies now because it's convenient?

The OFO never had formal relations with Grand Central before the Transitional Government.

Trust me, I've already made that argument...

[The Ghost of Festavo]

The Osiris Fraternal Order is an ally of Grand Central and we support our allies.

Since when? Did I somehow miss the alliance negotiations between the OFO and GC? Or are you just claiming to be allies now because it's convenient?

The OFO never had formal relations with Grand Central before the Transitional Government.

Grand Central holds a forum embassy with the Osiris Fraternal Order. There is a formal tie between the OFO and Grand Central, Koth.