The Osiris Fraternal Order

[Cormactopia II]

Equinox's Statement of Neutrality Video

Equinox has watched the on-going situation in Osiris and felt the need to declare our intentions of doing absolutely nothing.
Instead we hope that both parties can put an end to this situation by working together internally and coming together to build a stronger and united Osiris Fraternal Order.

-- Hierarch Asylum
-- Chancellor Ceapoyce (Statement Author)

We appreciate Equinox's declaration of neutrality. Thank you.

[Rogamark III]

Of course, what really doesn't speak well of the "opposition" is that they appear to have no plan other than puppet flooding Osiris, relentlessly spamming the RMB, etc. If this is what the combined might of a "massive interregional coalition" looks like, we have nothing to worry about. I look forward to you folks recognizing that there is no path for your power grabbing hopes and eventually standing down so we can all move on as a community.

Funny, I usually avoid this forum, but nearly every single exception I make has something to do with you. Must be a curse... but at least there is no censorship and post moderation in here, unlike in certain offsite forums.

I'm not sure what you're expecting. A massive liberation? Even if it never comes, that still doesn't change the fact that a number of Osirans like myself suddenly found themselves "governed" by somebody else than the elected Pharaoh. Instead, we were suddenly stuck with an usurpator whose record of treason alone is longer than the full resume of most NSers. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for you to call yourself "Pharaoh", and even if the opposition vanished from one day to the next and the community "learns" to arrange itself with the situation, you'll still be an arrogant traitor who has no right to call himself Pharaoh. And if you stay in "office" for months or even years, you still don't have a right to that title, and you never will. You may be the de facto ruler, but despite TP's crude theories, might doesn't make right. Tell yourself all you want that you're this great hero who saved Osiris from some sort of disaster for which there is not a shred of hard evidence. But please, don't expect anybody to be grateful. You're nothing but a traitor, and it is my sincere hope that people won't forget that for the rest of your NS career.

Feel free to decry this as defender propaganda, or tell people how I always hated you, or whatever other deflection you can think of. But I'm speaking only as a citizen of Osiris who wants his region back, and can't because Cormac A Stark declared the region his personal playground.

[Ikania]

The Gospel of Rogamark! Keep preaching.

Although it is to be noted that Usurpator isn't a word.

[Cormactopia II]

Of course, what really doesn't speak well of the "opposition" is that they appear to have no plan other than puppet flooding Osiris, relentlessly spamming the RMB, etc. If this is what the combined might of a "massive interregional coalition" looks like, we have nothing to worry about. I look forward to you folks recognizing that there is no path for your power grabbing hopes and eventually standing down so we can all move on as a community.

Funny, I usually avoid this forum, but nearly every single exception I make has something to do with you. Must be a curse... but at least there is no censorship and post moderation in here, unlike in certain offsite forums.

I'm not sure what you're expecting. A massive liberation? Even if it never comes, that still doesn't change the fact that a number of Osirans like myself suddenly found themselves "governed" by somebody else than the elected Pharaoh. Instead, we were suddenly stuck with an usurpator whose record of treason alone is longer than the full resume of most NSers. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for you to call yourself "Pharaoh", and even if the opposition vanished from one day to the next and the community "learns" to arrange itself with the situation, you'll still be an arrogant traitor who has no right to call himself Pharaoh. And if you stay in "office" for months or even years, you still don't have a right to that title, and you never will. You may be the de facto ruler, but despite TP's crude theories, might doesn't make right. Tell yourself all you want that you're this great hero who saved Osiris from some sort of disaster for which there is not a shred of hard evidence. But please, don't expect anybody to be grateful. You're nothing but a traitor, and it is my sincere hope that people won't forget that for the rest of your NS career.

Feel free to decry this as defender propaganda, or tell people how I always hated you, or whatever other deflection you can think of. But I'm speaking only as a citizen of Osiris who wants his region back, and can't because Cormac A Stark declared the region his personal playground.

What I'm expecting is for the so-called "opposition" to stop puppet flooding Osiris and spamming the RMB, not with anything that would even have a purpose or effect favorable to the "opposition," but just for the sake of puppet flooding and spamming. I'm having to eject and ban newly founded puppets relocating from Feeders at the rate of every few minutes who are just spamming the RMB for the sake of spamming. For people who claim to care about Osiris so much, you certainly don't mind making a mess of it by throwing a region-wide tantrum that is serving no actual purpose.

[Who Me]

The Gospel of Rogamark! Keep preaching.

Although it is to be noted that Usurpator isn't a word.

Well, it should be.

[Zaolat]

Statement of the Sovereign of Lazarus on events in Osiris

I've never had much to do with Osiris, and I don't know Cormac very well, though he did seem friendly and helpful when he was hanging around on the Lazarus forums after the Stujenske coup, and he ran a prefectly gentlemanly campaign when he ran for Sovereign in our December 2015 elections.

I was looking at some of Cormac's posts and found this, which he wrote in the announcment of his candidacy:

Aren't you a raider? Won't you coup?
Yep, I'm a raider. Regarding couping, whatever crappy track records I may have on other matters, I have never supported a coup against a Feeder or Sinker. I have opposed every coup that has been perpetrated against a Feeder or Sinker during my time in NationStates, including the NPO coup against Lazarus. There's no reason to believe I would coup and every reason to believe I wouldn't, but I know I won't convince anyone who is predisposed to thinking I'm bad news, so that's all I have to say on the matter.

After he finished a distant 3rd in the voting, Cormac stopped hanging around the Lazarus forum. Maybe he didn't like not having power and influence. Maybe he didn't like losing an election to a NationStates nobody (me!). Current events in Orisis suggest that the answer to both those questions is "you're right".

For my part, this is all very reminiscent of the Stujenske coup and the antics of the Gang of Five (Stujenske, Pergamon, Feux, AMOM, and Milograd). The rhetoric coming from Cormac and his cronies is virtually identical. The mindset is probably similar: they see Osiris as their personal plaything, they don't want to share it with anyone who isn't part of their clique, and they'll use whatever means and justifications they think they must to hold on to it. It's disappointing to see this kind of childish selfishness, but sadly it is far from surprising.

In any case, the Humane Republic of Lazarus condemns Cormac for his actions in overthrowing the legitimate government of Osiris; condemns Tim Stark for enabling Cormac's seizure of power; condemns their hangers-on, apologists and sycophants (Koth, Ikand, Revert and Zaolat) for betraying democracy; recognizes The Almighty Jesus Whale as the legitimate Pharaoh of Osiris; pledges to support The Almighty Jesus Whale in restoring democracy to Osiris; and calls on regions holding embassies with Osiris to withdraw them as a show of soldidarity with the Osiran people.

Dear NS Gameplay,

My name is Zao. I work everyday and am currently living in a motel on a weekly basis because myself and others living with me are being denied an apartment to move to because of bad credit (I happen to have neutral credit, but it's not enough on my own). Amongst a host of other problems that I am dealing with. In the long run, I'm in a good place for my life, but I still have to clear some stressful hurdles.

On that note, in the past Osiris was Couped by The Dourian Embassy and Gatesville. This was a turbulent time in game and even irl for many Osirans at that Time. It put myself into a real bad place where my escape from the stresses of life had only amplified my stress levels. Things happened, I took a break from the game and did my time when I came back.

As for now. I do NOT support Cormac or Jesus Whale or anyone else. I'm staying out of it for my own mental and emotional health. I learned a valuable lesson from that past I mentioned. I have many friends on both sides and I will not jeopardize people I call friends because I chose a side in a fucking game. Some friendships go beyond the game. Unfortunately in this case, while not everyone will be happy about it, this is another reason I'm taking to inaction.

Some might use that as a way to target me because I have not endorsed or unendorsed anyone and remain as a guardian just like before the coup.

Many people know my situation and my feelings whereas outsiders and non friends do not. Leave me the hell out of the bullshit. Please and thank you. I don't care if Jesus reclaims his Pharaohship or Cormac and Tim keep their control. I'm not putting a game before my own health. I don't appreciate anyone who thinks I should do otherwise, and besides that's a fucked thing to think. Osiris comes first, not it's governments. So I Support inaction for myself.

Now shit is explained. Don't libel me and carry on to whatever the hell anyone is doing.

[Ainocra]

Dear NS Gameplay,

My name is Zao. I work everyday and am currently living in a motel on a weekly basis because myself and others living with me are being denied an apartment to move to because of bad credit (I happen to have neutral credit, but it's not enough on my own). Amongst a host of other problems that I am dealing with. In the long run, I'm in a good place for my life, but I still have to clear some stressful hurdles.

On that note, in the past Osiris was Couped by The Dourian Embassy and Gatesville. This was a turbulent time in game and even irl for many Osirans at that Time. It put myself into a real bad place where my escape from the stresses of life had only amplified my stress levels. Things happened, I took a break from the game and did my time when I came back.

As for now. I do NOT support Cormac or Jesus Whale or anyone else. I'm staying out of it for my own mental and emotional health. I learned a valuable lesson from that past I mentioned. I have many friends on both sides and I will not jeopardize people I call friends because I chose a side in a fucking game. Some friendships go beyond the game. Unfortunately in this case, while not everyone will be happy about it, this is another reason I'm taking to inaction.

Some might use that as a way to target me because I have not endorsed or unendorsed anyone and remain as a guardian just like before the coup.

Many people know my situation and my feelings whereas outsiders and non friends do not. Leave me the Fuck out of the bullshit. Please and thank you. I don't care if Jesus reclaims his Pharaohship or Cormac and Tim keep their control. I'm not putting a game before my own health. I don't appreciate anyone who thinks I should do otherwise, and besides that's a fucked thing to think. Osiris comes first, not it's governments. So I Support inaction for myself.

Now shit is explained. Don't libel me and carry on to whatever the hell anyone is doing.

Your Health is more important hoss, do what you gotta do. RL always comes first.

[Rogamark III]

What I'm expecting is for the so-called "opposition" to stop puppet flooding Osiris and spamming the RMB, not with anything that would even have a purpose or effect favorable to the "opposition," but just for the sake of puppet flooding and spamming. I'm having to eject and ban newly founded puppets relocating from Feeders at the rate of every few minutes who are just spamming the RMB for the sake of spamming. For people who claim to care about Osiris so much, you certainly don't mind making a mess of it by throwing a region-wide tantrum that is serving no actual purpose.

No, Cormac, I don't mind puppet flooding or spamming or whatever else people can think of to make your life more annoying. There was this region I was a citizen of, and then you came and destroyed it in order to save it. Sadly, I'm not capable of throwing a tantrum big enough to be appropriate for the situation. If you really want the best for Osiris, end this travesty, pack up and leave. If we made a bad choice and end up in an oppressive dictatorship, it won't be on you.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

The problem, aside from being annoying, is that the behavior is against NS rules. The moderation team may be looking the other way, but in normal circumstances people would be asked to knock it off, be suppressed by moderation, and in egregious violations DEATed.

[Rogamark III]

The problem, aside from being annoying, is that the behavior is against NS rules. The moderation team may be looking the other way, but in normal circumstances people would be asked to knock it off, be suppressed by moderation, and in egregious violations DEATed.

Oh, I'm not endorsing it or asking anyone to do it. I just don't mind it.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

What's the difference between endorsing and not minding? Everyone should decry rule breaking behavior.

[Cormactopia II]

<snip>

No pressure from us, Zao. We respect your neutrality and don't want you involved in anything that would make you uncomfortable or cause you stress. RL > NS.

[Drasnia]

What's the difference between endorsing and not minding? Everyone should decry rule breaking behavior.

Endorsing someone who has couped a region is now against NS site rules? Did I miss something?

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

Aside from Rogamark saying he wasn't endorsing spammimg and puppetflooding, but that he didn't mind it?

Pro-tip: you're thinking of the wrong "endorsing," there, sport.

[Drasnia]

Aside from Rogamark saying he wasn't endorsing spammimg and puppetflooding, but that he didn't mind it?

Pro-tip: you're thinking of the wrong "endorsing," there, sport.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you calling me sport now?

I am still not seeing anything that breaks NS rules. Just because somebody (or some people) participate in activities that most consider annoying, or detrimental, doesn't mean they are illegal. Don't let your prejudice cloud your better judgement. Yes, you can say couping a region and those supporting the couper have broken the laws of the legitimate government, but you can't say they broke NS rules.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

From OSRS:
"Puppet Flooding: Any player or group of players creating large numbers of puppets for the purpose of spamming, harassing, or annoying a region, be they invaders, defenders, or natives, may find all such puppets ... and their main nations ... deleted without warning as Regional Happenings spammers."

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

Actually, I'm the legitimate Pharaoh of Osiris. And it's a sororal order now.

[Drasnia]

From OSRS:
"Puppet Flooding: Any player or group of players creating large numbers of puppets for the purpose of spamming, harassing, or annoying a region, be they invaders, defenders, or natives, may find all such puppets ... and their main nations ... deleted without warning as Regional Happenings spammers."

Except what's happening isn't puppet flooding. It might seem like it, but it isn't.

[Ultimate Sacrifice]

I... uhhhh... are you looking at the same region we all are?

Look at the "Moves" on the activity page, you'll see a few hours ago puppets named "Who Me" 1-20 or so, and Free Osiris 1-15.

[Drasnia]

I... uhhhh... are you looking at the same region we all are?

Look at the "Moves" on the activity page, you'll see a few hours ago puppets named "Who Me" 1-20 or so, and Free Osiris 1-15.

Yes, I'm looking at the same region. I just see it through different lenses.

Anyways, I think we ought to stop with this threadjack and get back to discussing the OFO and TGO

[Papercuts and Skittles]

I... uhhhh... are you looking at the same region we all are?

Look at the "Moves" on the activity page, you'll see a few hours ago puppets named "Who Me" 1-20 or so, and Free Osiris 1-15.

That's not enough for flooding IMO, the rules also don't define the terms

[Cormactopia II]

As much as I may agree with the view that this is official, actionable puppet flooding and spamming, that isn't really for us to judge and those accusations belong in a Getting Help Request to Moderation for moderators to judge. That is where I have left this and that is probably where everyone should leave it, instead of debating whether this is actionable puppet flooding and spam.

Whether it is rule-breaking or not, it's aggravating, not only or even primarily to me but to everyone trying to use the RMB for other discussion, and I will continue to suppress it and eject and ban foreign puppets. It has lightened up over the past couple of hours, and I hope that is because the "opposition" has seen how pointless it was to their cause and how much it was disrupting the in-game community, and decided to stop. If that is the case, respectfully and sincerely, thank you.

[Ikania]

Well, probably because it's 11:30 EST.

We've got foreign puppets like you're pulling off a foreign invasion. All we're doing is spreading awareness about the coup that's been perpetrated, we're just a bunch of patriots trying to restore the legitimate government.

Of course, it's not like you care. Far as you're concerned, everything is dandy in Cormacland, save for those pesky foreign spammers called the Osiran people.

I hope you're enjoying your reign of terror, Monsieur.

[The Church of Satan]

For people who claim to care about Osiris so much, you certainly don't mind making a mess of it by throwing a region-wide tantrum that is serving no actual purpose.

You're one to talk Cormac, forcing your will on Osiris because you're being a sore loser. As for so-called puppet-flooding and RMB spamming, weren't you there for the Lazarus coup? Don't you remember how many posts there were on the RMB? How many nations we had to make to fight the NPO? What the OFO is doing is no different from what we did, what you did, during the Lazarus coup. The only reason you oppose it now is because you're the dictator instead of the one fighting for their home. If there's any propaganda around here, it's coming from you and it's muddled because you have your foot in your mouth.

[Ikania]

Hear! The Gospel of... Satan.

Erh...