Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Since we're getting closer to the end of the thread, I was wondering; would anyone be opposed to me OPing the 2nd one? I'd make it significantly more detailed than this one, perhaps adding in sections to explain the differences between the different sects and madhabs, among anything else that you can suggest.

Yeah, that's cool

[North Arkana]

The Ahmadis are apostates Murtadeen

What, so his life doesn't matter as much as someone's who rigidly holds to he narrow views of acceptability you believe regarding Islam?

[Salus Maior]

The Ahmadis are apostates Murtadeen

What, so his life doesn't matter as much as someone's who rigidly holds to he narrow views of acceptability you believe regarding Islam?

What do you expect from an interpretation of Sharia that clearly has a deep-seated resentment of humanity?

[Jochistan]

Since we're getting closer to the end of the thread, I was wondering; would anyone be opposed to me OPing the 2nd one? I'd make it significantly more detailed than this one, perhaps adding in sections to explain the differences between the different sects and madhabs, among anything else that you can suggest.

That would be very nice.

Putting "Qur'anist" as an option on the poll might clear up how many nondenoms and "other" are actually Qur'anist

Maybe splitting up the Shi'a into (Imami/Twelver) and (Ismaili/Zaydi/Other) as well.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Since we're getting closer to the end of the thread, I was wondering; would anyone be opposed to me OPing the 2nd one? I'd make it significantly more detailed than this one, perhaps adding in sections to explain the differences between the different sects and madhabs, among anything else that you can suggest.

What's a madhab?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Since we're getting closer to the end of the thread, I was wondering; would anyone be opposed to me OPing the 2nd one? I'd make it significantly more detailed than this one, perhaps adding in sections to explain the differences between the different sects and madhabs, among anything else that you can suggest.

What's a madhab?

Islamic school of jurispince Sunnis have 4 main ones Shias have 3.

[Mahdistan]

Since we're getting closer to the end of the thread, I was wondering; would anyone be opposed to me OPing the 2nd one? I'd make it significantly more detailed than this one, perhaps adding in sections to explain the differences between the different sects and madhabs, among anything else that you can suggest.

What's a madhab?

The schools of thought within the sects; generally it's Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi, and Shafi'i for Sunnis, and Ja'fari, Ismaili, and Zaidi for Shiites, among others for Sufis and the other sects.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Sufis follow Sunni Madhabs, mainly Hanafi, Shia Madhabs are extremly diffrent from one another.

[Jochistan]

Sunni would probably do as its own category though. As there isn't much difference in madhab except for Hanbali.

The differences in madhab aren't as profound in Sunni doctrine as they are in Shi'a doctrine.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

The Hanafi Madhab is similar to the Shia Madhabs, because Imam Abu Hanifa,Imam Zayd, and Imam Jafar studied together.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Fatah Halab Operations Room, and Ansar Ash Shariah OR have just launched a massive offensive on ISIS in southern Aleppo, Al Nusra & Ahrar Ash Sham are spearheading the operation, May Allah assit them against the Khawarij-Murtadeen Ameen.

[Napkiraly]

The Ahmadis are apostates Murtadeen

What, so his life doesn't matter as much as someone's who rigidly holds to he narrow views of acceptability you believe regarding Islam?

Are you seriously asking this question to an Al-Qaeda supporter?

[The balkens]

Fatah Halab Operations Room, and Ansar Ash Shariah OR have just launched a massive offensive on ISIS in southern Aleppo, Al Nusra & Ahrar Ash Sham are spearheading the operation, May Allah assit them against the Khawarij-Murtadeen Ameen.

Way to go disclosing military operations on the internet.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Fatah Halab Operations Room, and Ansar Ash Shariah OR have just launched a massive offensive on ISIS in southern Aleppo, Al Nusra & Ahrar Ash Sham are spearheading the operation, May Allah assit them against the Khawarij-Murtadeen Ameen.

Way to go disclosing military operations on the internet.

It was an articale I just saw from long war journal

[Czechanada]

Since we're getting closer to the end of the thread, I was wondering; would anyone be opposed to me OPing the 2nd one? I'd make it significantly more detailed than this one, perhaps adding in sections to explain the differences between the different sects and madhabs, among anything else that you can suggest.

To be fair, I am the longest active posted in this thread being here since the very beginning.

Just kidding, I don't care.

[North Arkana]

What, so his life doesn't matter as much as someone's who rigidly holds to he narrow views of acceptability you believe regarding Islam?

Are you seriously asking this question to an Al-Qaeda supporter?

The last bits of my wide eyed idealism have yet to die.

[Napkiraly]

Are you seriously asking this question to an Al-Qaeda supporter?

The last bits of my wide eyed idealism have yet to die.

*Grabs tanto and katana* Come, I shall help you kill it.

[Hindia Belanda]

Hi guys, here’s a genuine question: I recently just found out that, according to 12er ruling, saying ‘amen’ after surah al fatiha during a prayer invalidates the prayer itself even if it is said silently? I have for as long as I can remember always say amen after al fatiha.

It makes me wonder because that is such a tiny thing to make a fuss about and I don’t think God is that narrow to not accept a prayer merely because of that. What do you think of this? Do you guys generally say amen after saying al fatiha?

I'd never even heard that. Odd, considering it's right there in the Quran. I've always said 'amen' at the end of Surah al Fatiha.

I thought the amen was part of Al Fatiha in the Quran too, but I just checked and the amen isn't there apparently. I think the tradition to say amen after Surah Al Fatiha is based on a strong hadith so that's probably why most people say it.

[Hindia Belanda]

Saying Ameen after Fatihah is obligatory. Its is Kafir not to, of course this is 12er prayer we're discussing.

then again your criteria for labelling whether someone is kafir or not is pretty damn wide

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Muhammad (SAAWS) said "Pray as you have seen me pray" The most nobel Quran God's uncreated speech says "Obey Allah and his messenger" so by not following Rasoolilllah(SAAWS) you are directly disobeying the command of Allah(SWT) which is indeed disbelief and outside the fold of Islam.

[Baltenstein]

Muhammad (SAAWS) said "Pray as you have seen me pray" The most nobel Quran God's uncreated speech says "Obey Allah and his messenger" so by not following Rasoolilllah(SAAWS) you are directly disobeying the command of Allah(SWT) which is indeed disbelief and outside the fold of Islam.

Using the internet is also outside the fold of Islam, dude.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Muhammad (SAAWS) said "Pray as you have seen me pray" The most nobel Quran God's uncreated speech says "Obey Allah and his messenger" so by not following Rasoolilllah(SAAWS) you are directly disobeying the command of Allah(SWT) which is indeed disbelief and outside the fold of Islam.

Using the internet is also outside the fold of Islam, dude.

Not if used correctly

[Farnhamia]

Saying Ameen after Fatihah is obligatory. Its is Kafir not to, of course this is 12er prayer we're discussing.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

You don't get to use derogatory terms about people's religious beliefs, just as they don't get to do that about yours. Knock it off.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Jafar As Saddiq(RA) the 6th 12er and Ismaili Imam and decendant of Abu Bakr and Aisha (May Allah be pleased said "Abu Bakr bore me twice"
Zayd Ibn Ali(RA) brother of the 5th 12er and Ismaili Imam and decendant of Hussien,Hassan, and Ali(May Allah be pleased) said when asked of Abu Bakr & Umar(May Allah be pleased) "Not once have I ever heard anyone in my family say anything but good of them..."
Never curse the Sahaba!

[Jochistan]

Saying Ameen after Fatihah is obligatory. Its is Kafir not to, of course this is 12er prayer we're discussing.

then again your criteria for labelling whether someone is kafir or not is pretty damn wide

Not saying "Amin" to indicate ending a prayer seems like a pretty small thing to call people Kafir over.

Maybe saying "I don't have to pray" would be criteria for disbelief. But not saying "amin", lifting your hands while standing up instead of doing it while in your knees, not crossing your arms while standing, or other extremely minor things like that seem just ridiculous to declare someone an apostate for.

It's things like that that make me question for a minute whether Puritans are ever 100% serious about their beleifs.

A nice sermon on the subject.