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by Cetacea » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:31 pm
Kelaravamana wrote:Personally, I don't think ancient Egypt should be counted as either an African or a European civilization. I think it would be more appropriate to classify ancient Egypt as a Near Eastern civilization, since they shared linguistic, cultural, and ethnic similarities with Near Eastern civilizations like Phoenicia and Mesopotamia. Sure, they did influence Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to an extent, but despite that, I don't think they were really a "precursor" to any other civilization in that region.
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by Jochistan » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:50 pm
Kelaravamana wrote:Personally, I don't think ancient Egypt should be counted as either an African or a European civilization. I think it would be more appropriate to classify ancient Egypt as a Near Eastern civilization, since they shared linguistic, cultural, and ethnic similarities with Near Eastern civilizations like Phoenicia and Mesopotamia. Sure, they did influence Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to an extent, but despite that, I don't think they were really a "precursor" to any other civilization in that region.
by Baltenstein » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:06 pm
by Kubra » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:10 pm
It's fine calling it african, insofar as they were very important for north africaJochistan wrote:In Classical History or Archaeology, Egypt, Greece and Rome are considered the great classical civilizations whose achievements heavily influenced and shaped Western Civilization.
But some debate can be made over how "Western" many of them were. The question of the origins and ethnicity of the Ancient Egyptians might lead some to beleive they should be counted as an African civilization or a Mediterranean one more in common with western cultures than anything else.
Personally, I think calling them an "African civilization" is sort of innaccurate. As they have more in common with Western Precursor cultures like the other "Classical" Covilizations (depending on the time, but still) than other African Empires like Nubia to the south. (Kush sort of just adopted their values, as cool as Piye was)
So what do you think NSG? Can Egypt count as a great African Empire or a "Classical Western" Civilization?
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by Kelaravamana » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:48 am
Cetacea wrote:Kelaravamana wrote:Personally, I don't think ancient Egypt should be counted as either an African or a European civilization. I think it would be more appropriate to classify ancient Egypt as a Near Eastern civilization, since they shared linguistic, cultural, and ethnic similarities with Near Eastern civilizations like Phoenicia and Mesopotamia. Sure, they did influence Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to an extent, but despite that, I don't think they were really a "precursor" to any other civilization in that region.
Dynastic Egyptians were indigenous to the Nile valley and thats what makes them African and really thats all that should matter in the debate.
Of course the whole race controversy is a 'modern' one since the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans attached no special stigma to the colour of the skin and happily accepted that native Egyptians came in various shades from black to white and various shades of gold in between.
Egyptians were a mixed afro-asiatic people descended from peoples who lived across the Horn of Africa and across the Red Sea into the Arab Peninsula. So if we are to address the question of OP then I'll say Egypt, Greece and Rome (Etruscan) culture is Asian in origin. More specifically it is West Asian/Levantian and in the case of Egypt indigenous to Egypt
by Kelaravamana » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:55 am
Jochistan wrote:Kelaravamana wrote:Personally, I don't think ancient Egypt should be counted as either an African or a European civilization. I think it would be more appropriate to classify ancient Egypt as a Near Eastern civilization, since they shared linguistic, cultural, and ethnic similarities with Near Eastern civilizations like Phoenicia and Mesopotamia. Sure, they did influence Europe and sub-Saharan Africa to an extent, but despite that, I don't think they were really a "precursor" to any other civilization in that region.
But their innovations and culture spread along the Mediterranean. Building what would eventually become western values.
by Camelza » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:59 am
Kelaravamana wrote:Cetacea wrote:
Dynastic Egyptians were indigenous to the Nile valley and thats what makes them African and really thats all that should matter in the debate.
Of course the whole race controversy is a 'modern' one since the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans attached no special stigma to the colour of the skin and happily accepted that native Egyptians came in various shades from black to white and various shades of gold in between.
Egyptians were a mixed afro-asiatic people descended from peoples who lived across the Horn of Africa and across the Red Sea into the Arab Peninsula. So if we are to address the question of OP then I'll say Egypt, Greece and Rome (Etruscan) culture is Asian in origin. More specifically it is West Asian/Levantian and in the case of Egypt indigenous to Egypt
Yes, in a geographical sense, they were African, but culturally speaking, they were very close to the Near Eastern civilizations.
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