I never said that, so stop pulling strawmen.
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by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:58 am
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:01 am
Alvecia wrote:Visegradian Poland wrote:
If somebody speaks out against them they will threatened, called racists and have their free speech cut off by media and stuff.
I've seen no evidence of this that is not also found when speaking out against Chritianity in America.
Minus the racism part....
Unless the guy speaking out is black.....
by Free Tristania » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:02 am
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:02 am
Free Tristania wrote:Keep religion out of the education system - or out of any other function of government. Dot.
by Ifreann » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:02 am
Teemant wrote:Ifreann wrote:You apparently mean "non-Muslim" when you say "native", but those are totally different things and I don't know why you'd say something like that.
Minority Swedes aren't ordinary?
How?
"Immigration background" includes people who were born in Sweden and raised Muslim?
It will isolate them more because the children in these schools will all be minorities. There will be no children with christian or atheist backgrounds in these schools. It will certainly isolate muslim population even more in Sweden.
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:02 am
Free Tristania wrote:Keep religion out of the education system - or out of any other function of government. Dot.
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:03 am
Ifreann wrote:Teemant wrote:
It will isolate them more because the children in these schools will all be minorities. There will be no children with christian or atheist backgrounds in these schools. It will certainly isolate muslim population even more in Sweden.
How is this different from any other school? If kids go to school in some small Swedish village and everyone there is Christian, are they being isolated from the rest of Sweden?
I mean, what, do you want some kind of quota system such that every school has to have Christians, Muslims, atheists, and every other religion in Sweden?
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:04 am
Visegradian Poland wrote:Ifreann wrote:How is this different from any other school? If kids go to school in some small Swedish village and everyone there is Christian, are they being isolated from the rest of Sweden?
I mean, what, do you want some kind of quota system such that every school has to have Christians, Muslims, atheists, and every other religion in Sweden?
Muslims have a far harder time assimilating.
by Alvecia » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:04 am
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:05 am
Alvecia wrote:Visegradian Poland wrote:
Christianity is not relevant here. This is about Islamic pres-schools.
It is relevant.
You said muslims have privileges that others don't and provided examples.
I explained that I have seen evidence of those examples but with Christianity.
This indicates that
A) Muslims do not have privileges
or
B) Muslims and Christians have privileges.
Which is it?
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:06 am
by Alvecia » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:08 am
Visegradian Poland wrote:Alvecia wrote:It is relevant.
You said muslims have privileges that others don't and provided examples.
I explained that I have seen evidence of those examples but with Christianity.
This indicates that
A) Muslims do not have privileges
or
B) Muslims and Christians have privileges.
Which is it?
B
But at least Christians assimilate.
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:11 am
by Gauthier » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:11 am
by Baconograd » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:11 am
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:12 am
Gauthier wrote:Visegradian Poland wrote:
3rd strawman you've pulled today. Nice debate.
When you've spent the entire thread ranting about how Muslims are a threat to Sweden, shouting out "Strawman" to my satirical line is a sure sign that it's hitting too close to how you really think for your personal comfort.
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:12 am
Baconograd wrote:Why don't we just keep religion out of things that religion doesn't belong in? Keep religion to home and place of worship. It doesn't need to be involved with education.
by Alvecia » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:13 am
Alvecia wrote:Visegradian Poland wrote:
Christianity is not relevant here. This is about Islamic pres-schools.
It is relevant.
You said muslims have privileges that others don't and provided examples.
I explained that I have seen evidence of those examples but with Christianity.
This indicates that
A) Muslims do not have privileges
or
B) Muslims and Christians have privileges.
Which is it?
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:14 am
Alvecia wrote:Visegradian Poland wrote:
what was it?Alvecia wrote:It is relevant.
You said muslims have privileges that others don't and provided examples.
I explained that I have seen evidence of those examples but with Christianity.
This indicates that
A) Muslims do not have privileges
or
B) Muslims and Christians have privileges.
Which is it?
by Visegradian Poland » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:22 am
by Tierra Prime » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:25 am
by The Alma Mater » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:27 am
by Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:36 am
The Alma Mater wrote:So.. what is the quality of "Islamic schools" like in countries around the world ?
In the Netherlands it is horrible. All the Islamic highschools that existed have by now been closed because the level of education did not meet the minimum set standard and the schoolboards stole the money for themselves - and the last remaining one was the origin of the biggest exam fraud in Dutch history . The existing Islamic university offers subpar courses; and its chairman has repeatedly and openly made highly offensive comments on the rightness of killing gays, jews and kurds for which the government is currently considering suing him.
The primary schools sofar are the only level surviving - but they all rank at the bottom of the charts.
Is this typical ?
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