by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:03 am
by Kar-Esseria » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:07 am
by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:11 am
Kar-Esseria wrote:No, people have a right to decide their own government, be it democratic or not.
by The Snazzylands » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:13 am
by Baiynistan » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:13 am
Kar-Esseria wrote:No, people have a right to decide their own government, be it democratic or not.
by Eol Sha » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:14 am
Plessur wrote:Self explanatory.
Firstly, I would just like to point out that NS indicates no - the separation of civil rights and political freedoms plus the potential of a 'benevolent dictatorship' indicate so. I am not sure myself of the answer - after all, for most of our history mankind has not had democracy. It's kind of a new trend in some ways.
is this good enough for you, mods?
by Weltschmerzen » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:28 am
by The Heart of Hypatia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:29 am
Plessur wrote:So, people here seem to be saying that democracy is not an intrinsic human right, but a protection for human rights. Like a second-degree human right of sorts.
by Eol Sha » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:30 am
Plessur wrote:So, people here seem to be saying that democracy is not an intrinsic human right, but a protection for human rights. Like a second-degree human right of sorts.
by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:32 am
The Heart of Hypatia wrote:Plessur wrote:So, people here seem to be saying that democracy is not an intrinsic human right, but a protection for human rights. Like a second-degree human right of sorts.
I don't believe in what you might call natural rights, I believe that rights are concepts that are generally accepted through consensus. This is not to say they are anything less than absolutely, crucially important but it's an important distinction between what you seem to be saying and what other people seem to be saying.
That said, even the European Convention on Human Rights does not actually list democracy as a protected right that people have. I haven't checked other international agreements. Personally I feel that democracy is important enough to consider making a right in said agreements, but that's just my personal opinion and I know many edgy people on NSG hold democracy in low regard.
by The Snazzylands » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:39 am
Plessur wrote:The Heart of Hypatia wrote:I don't believe in what you might call natural rights, I believe that rights are concepts that are generally accepted through consensus. This is not to say they are anything less than absolutely, crucially important but it's an important distinction between what you seem to be saying and what other people seem to be saying.
That said, even the European Convention on Human Rights does not actually list democracy as a protected right that people have. I haven't checked other international agreements. Personally I feel that democracy is important enough to consider making a right in said agreements, but that's just my personal opinion and I know many edgy people on NSG hold democracy in low regard.
This sounds quite interesting actually. So, if I may extend, democracy may not be a human right now but it might be in the future? Most of the world doesn't live in a democracy, or at least not a proper one.
by Deuxtete » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:39 am
by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:43 am
by Weltschmerzen » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:45 am
Plessur wrote:On the other hand, saying that human rights are temporary does not do them any favours. The world can't really work on the basis of 'they are only human rights if they exist all over'. So what are human rights? Is it really all comparative (please don't just say yes ) ?
by Ifreann » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:38 am
Deuxtete wrote:Yes, anything is a right so long as the guys with guns protecting you allow you the privilege to think so...and that is how "Rights" actually work.
by Dooom35796821595 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:55 am
by England-Wales-France » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:58 am
by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:02 am
England-Wales-France wrote:Yes,Dictatorship has time and Time again proven a Faliure,while Democracy Prospers.
All ten of the Richest Countries(By GDP) are Democracies/Republics.
by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:03 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Ifreann wrote:I don't have any guys with guns protecting me. Do I not have rights?
Your country has an army, no?
As for the OP no, democracy is not a right. Considering all the different forms of democracy, and the fact that it will eventually be replaced by something better it's not a right, it's just temporary.
by Ifreann » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:09 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Ifreann wrote:I don't have any guys with guns protecting me. Do I not have rights?
Your country has an army, no?
As for the OP no, democracy is not a right. Considering all the different forms of democracy, and the fact that it will eventually be replaced by something better it's not a right, it's just temporary.
by Farnhamia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:21 am
Ifreann wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Your country has an army, no?
As for the OP no, democracy is not a right. Considering all the different forms of democracy, and the fact that it will eventually be replaced by something better it's not a right, it's just temporary.
It does, but they're not protecting me from anything.
by PLESSUR » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:26 am
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