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by Padnak » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:30 pm
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.
Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.
Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.
The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.
Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.
by The Teutonic Republic » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:24 pm
The Kievan People wrote:Just make the missile bigger.
Air breathing engines are pointless, they max out at Mach 5 with current technology and the added dead weight and removes most of the benefits of higher ISP in the first stage. Nuclear propulsion is impractically expensive.
by Mitheldalond » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:53 pm
by Mitheldalond » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:57 pm
The Teutonic Republic wrote:The Kievan People wrote:Just make the missile bigger.
Air breathing engines are pointless, they max out at Mach 5 with current technology and the added dead weight and removes most of the benefits of higher ISP in the first stage. Nuclear propulsion is impractically expensive.
The air-breathing mode would just be for the missile's boost phase and would roughly half the amount of Lox the missile needs to carry. I was thinking for maximum efficiency and payload fraction (without going nuclear) a SSTO air augmented aerospike would be ideal as compared to conventional multi-stage ICBM the weight and size would be similar but the payload would be several times higher.
by The Akasha Colony » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:09 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:How well would a bunch of Hedgehog mortars work for clearing lanes through a naval minefield in WWII? How about TBF Avengers with depth charges?
by The Teutonic Republic » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:10 pm
Mitheldalond wrote:The Teutonic Republic wrote:
The air-breathing mode would just be for the missile's boost phase and would roughly half the amount of Lox the missile needs to carry. I was thinking for maximum efficiency and payload fraction (without going nuclear) a SSTO air augmented aerospike would be ideal as compared to conventional multi-stage ICBM the weight and size would be similar but the payload would be several times higher.
Ask yourself why your ideas have never been implemented (or even considered, for the most part) by any IRL nation. If they really were better than what we have in reality, then why haven't they been used?
by Mitheldalond » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:20 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Mitheldalond wrote:How well would a bunch of Hedgehog mortars work for clearing lanes through a naval minefield in WWII? How about TBF Avengers with depth charges?
Neither would work very well. You would need larger quantities of munitions than would be practical and much more time than conventional methods, and it would be less reliable.
by The Akasha Colony » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:33 pm
by The Kievan People » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:29 pm
The Teutonic Republic wrote:The air-breathing mode would just be for the missile's boost phase and would roughly half the amount of Lox the missile needs to carry. I was thinking for maximum efficiency and payload fraction (without going nuclear) a SSTO air augmented aerospike would be ideal as compared to conventional multi-stage ICBM the weight and size would be similar but the payload would be several times higher.
by Imperializt Russia » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:25 am
The Teutonic Republic wrote:Auroya wrote:
Everyone is telling you that this is a supremely terrible idea, you do realize that, right?
If you're going to disregard the advice of the posters on this thread, why post is in this thread?
Not really. People were criticizing the idea of a massive multi-gigaton warhead as being excessive and unnecessary which is why I've decided to abandon it.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Mostrov » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:50 am
by Gallia- » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:15 am
Velkanika wrote:The rocket it has to carry and launch is 200 feet tall or so. The first stage also generates 1-2 million force-pounds of thrust, so it'll destroy the pad when launched. Cold launching it from a silo like an SLBM isn't an option for something that size, and even if it was the exhaust would fry a submarine at periscope depth.
The Odyssey works because it can tolerate having the crap blown out of it after a launch without loosing structural integrity.
by Velkanika » Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:33 pm
Gallia- wrote:(Image)
so scareVelkanika wrote:The rocket it has to carry and launch is 200 feet tall or so. The first stage also generates 1-2 million force-pounds of thrust, so it'll destroy the pad when launched. Cold launching it from a silo like an SLBM isn't an option for something that size, and even if it was the exhaust would fry a submarine at periscope depth.
The Odyssey works because it can tolerate having the crap blown out of it after a launch without loosing structural integrity.
again with these baseless assumptions
why are you assuming it has to be reusable
what if it's literally just a submarine launch pad, controlled by remote tether, and designed to be "expendable" because there's like 10 srbs lighting on top of it
The necessity of a navy, in the restricted sense of the word, springs, therefore, from the existence of a peaceful shipping, and disappears with it, except in the case of a nation which has aggressive tendencies, and keeps up a navy merely as a branch of the military establishment. 1
by Padnak » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:01 pm
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.
Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.
Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.
The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.
Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.
by Gallia- » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:06 pm
by Padnak » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:11 pm
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.
Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.
Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.
The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.
Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.
by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:12 pm
by Gallia- » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:13 pm
by United Earthlings » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:20 pm
also lol airpower
Questers wrote:I think this is the only useful point. The RHMG is something of a suicide mission, I feel, as it can be quite easily cut off. But I am willing to trade the RHMG for a Division's rear area because if it passes through unchecked and the reserves are diverted to other battles, it will pretty much destroy everything. It's not a difficult task to shoot up essentially defenceless vehicles. In my view the correct choice of action for black is to immediately counter-attack the RHMG and destroy it. This leaves the Red commander without his exploitation assets and also leaves him at a subunit disadvantage (which you sort of identified but at a much higher, not-stipulated, level). At that point, with a fourth subunit, the Black commander can take the initiative.United Earthlings wrote:The further that RHMG penetrates into the divisional/corps rear area, the more isolated it becomes from its own supporting corps/divisional/brigade assets while at the same time the inverse is happening as the RHMG becomes more exposed itself to the Commonwealth’s own Divisional/Corps assets such as air, artillery and missile fire.
What’s left of the RHMG encounters the forward elements of the three Armored Combat Battle-Groups that are converging on it. The commander of the RHMG now has a choice: A. Press ahead against an enemy of unknown strength and hope for the best that it can fight its way forward to victory. B. Flank said force and hope said force is not the main element. C. Fall back {delaying action}.
by Padnak » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:29 pm
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.
Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.
Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.
The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.
Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.
by Crookfur » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:30 pm
Padnak wrote:Any ideas for how I could prevent my entire air force getting destroyed within the first few hours of fighting?
My air force is pretty antiquated in terms of fighter aircraft and the hostile air force operates vastly superior aircraft all round, but my air force (unlike say the Iraqi airforce during the gulf war) does operate several airborne early warning aircraft and is supported by a fairly comprehensive system of ground based radars located on outlying islands (which are further supported by spotters located on civilian boats to try and lessen the likelihood that the radar sites would be destroyed by anti-radiation missiles). Most of my air forces fighter aircraft are based in hardened hangers or hangers dug into mountain sides-
Ideally I need my air force to last long enough for it to protect my bombers and strike aircraft as they attempt to attack the invading forces carriers and landing docks but my fear is that it will get swamped and destroyed during the opening stages of the invasion/ its runways and facilities will get destroyed
by Husseinarti » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:34 pm
Padnak wrote:Any ideas for how I could prevent my entire air force getting destroyed within the first few hours of fighting?
My air force is pretty antiquated in terms of fighter aircraft and the hostile air force operates vastly superior aircraft all round, but my air force (unlike say the Iraqi airforce during the gulf war) does operate several airborne early warning aircraft and is supported by a fairly comprehensive system of ground based radars located on outlying islands (which are further supported by spotters located on civilian boats to try and lessen the likelihood that the radar sites would be destroyed by anti-radiation missiles). Most of my air forces fighter aircraft are based in hardened hangers or hangers dug into mountain sides-
Ideally I need my air force to last long enough for it to protect my bombers and strike aircraft as they attempt to attack the invading forces carriers and landing docks but my fear is that it will get swamped and destroyed during the opening stages of the invasion/ its runways and facilities will get destroyed
by Padnak » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:36 pm
Husseinarti wrote:build a bunch of bunkers
Inquilabstan wrote:It is official now. Padnak is really Cobra Commander.
Bezombia wrote:It was about this time that Padnak slowly realized that the thread he thought was about gaming was, in fact, an eight story tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
Husseinarti wrote:Powered Borscht.
Because cosmonauts should never think that even in the depths of space they are free from the Soviet Union.
The Kievan People wrote:As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.
Immoren wrote:Again we've sexual tension that can be cut with a bowie.
by Gallia- » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:17 pm
Husseinarti wrote:Padnak wrote:Any ideas for how I could prevent my entire air force getting destroyed within the first few hours of fighting?
My air force is pretty antiquated in terms of fighter aircraft and the hostile air force operates vastly superior aircraft all round, but my air force (unlike say the Iraqi airforce during the gulf war) does operate several airborne early warning aircraft and is supported by a fairly comprehensive system of ground based radars located on outlying islands (which are further supported by spotters located on civilian boats to try and lessen the likelihood that the radar sites would be destroyed by anti-radiation missiles). Most of my air forces fighter aircraft are based in hardened hangers or hangers dug into mountain sides-
Ideally I need my air force to last long enough for it to protect my bombers and strike aircraft as they attempt to attack the invading forces carriers and landing docks but my fear is that it will get swamped and destroyed during the opening stages of the invasion/ its runways and facilities will get destroyed
build a bunch of bunkers
by Triplebaconation » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:20 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:The Teutonic Republic wrote:
Not really. People were criticizing the idea of a massive multi-gigaton warhead as being excessive and unnecessary which is why I've decided to abandon it.
Orion drive is a needless way of launching nuclear strikes unless you're willing to subscribe to Orion navy. Chemical rocketry is sufficient.
Sufficiency is a concept much maligned on NS.
Orion's only useful application to my mind is interstellar travel.
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