Imperium Anglorum wrote:You know what, just submit this right now. Keep on submitting it as long as it takes to get passed.
Excellent advice. How does one submit for a vote.
I am confident my legislation will pass.
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by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:12 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:You know what, just submit this right now. Keep on submitting it as long as it takes to get passed.
by Wall-e Persons » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:20 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:You know what, just submit this right now. Keep on submitting it as long as it takes to get passed.
Excellent advice. How does one submit for a vote.
Most people want to make the world a better place instead of pillaging it for their on personal enjoyment before anyone else has a chance to contribute to humanity. I am confident my legislation will pass.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:38 pm
by Tinfect » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:29 am
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by The Archregimancy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:50 am
by Caracasus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:01 am
1.G
The IETF is to be funded by a fee on Energy Transactions made within the International Energy Market (IEM) for its Civilization Index. The initial source of funding for the IETF will be by donations by WA members. Donating states will receive first priority for new IETF development for the next 10 years.
2.A
Establishes an International Energy Market (IEM) for each Civilization Index:
2.B
The IEM enables member states to better manage their domestic energy supply through sales on an international market.
2.C
The creation of the IEM does not exclude or expropriate current or future: domestic and competing international energy markets.
3.B
Member nations may impose fees on energy resources based on the amount of pollution they produce. If a nation raises a fee on pollution that nation must apply the fee equally to all international and domestic resources.
by Wrapper » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:55 am
• 49 minutes ago: The proposal "International Energy Markets" was removed from the floor.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:07 am
Wrapper wrote:For the record:• 49 minutes ago: The proposal "International Energy Markets" was removed from the floor.
by Caracasus » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:15 am
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:15 am
Wrapper wrote:For the record:• 49 minutes ago: The proposal "International Energy Markets" was removed from the floor.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:20 am
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:24 am
by NoFrellsGiven » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:38 am
Tinfect wrote:1: You cannot link to Forum Threads in a Proposal, fairly certain that's Metagaming.
Tinfect wrote:2: Looks to be a Committee Only Violation.
Tinfect wrote:Member States here have no practical methods of Transmitting Energy across Oceans, Inter-dimensional Barriers, or vast regions of Space.
Tinfect wrote:And, in any case, you never actually make us transmit any Energy, which is where your Committee Only Violation comes in, you never actually Mandate that Member States do anything.
by NoFrellsGiven » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:01 am
Caracasus wrote:You are regulating for environmental standards in energy production,
Caracasus wrote:sharing of energy production technologies
Caracasus wrote:We are also incredibly concerned with your use of the Civilization index. We feel this may be in breach of laws surrounding the implementation of legislation.
Caracasus wrote:1.G
The IETF is to be funded by a fee on Energy Transactions made within the International Energy Market (IEM) for its Civilization Index. The initial source of funding for the IETF will be by donations by WA members. Donating states will receive first priority for new IETF development for the next 10 years.
At present, this is open to corruption in one of two ways. Firstly, Caracasus could donate a grand total of 1 Tiny Elephant Figurine and receive preferential treatment from the IETF. Secondly, if this was changed to add weight to the amount donated, richer nations, who often have more than enough capability to power their own nations, would receive preferential treatment at the expense of poorer nations - almost the polar opposite of what this legislation has set out to achieve.
Caracasus wrote:2.A
Establishes an International Energy Market (IEM) for each Civilization Index:
2.B
The IEM enables member states to better manage their domestic energy supply through sales on an international market.
2.C
The creation of the IEM does not exclude or expropriate current or future: domestic and competing international energy markets.
Now this passage here. The creation of an International Energy Market unfortunately would very much exlude or expropriate current or future domestic and competing international energy markets by its very presence. There is a finite amount of the given resource (energy). Having a central body responsible for its trade will exclude or expropriate existing energy markets, even if not done so intentionally. Note, we are not completely against this idea (should a significantly improved proposal be made) we are merely stating that 2.A contradicts 2.C by its presence alone.
Caracasus wrote:3.B
Member nations may impose fees on energy resources based on the amount of pollution they produce. If a nation raises a fee on pollution that nation must apply the fee equally to all international and domestic resources.
This section here appears to stifle growing nations with little or no ability to access less polluting energy production. Caracasus could effectively form a coalition of like minded governments that places a stranglehold on its less developed neighbouring states by imposing ridiculous fees on coal fired power - forcing less developed states out of the market.
by Tinfect » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:45 am
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NoFrellsGiven wrote:Thanks for the post. I don't know why I let the troll get to me.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:viewtopic.php?f=23&t=244917
Contains the definition of technology tiers. A GA proposol has a limited amount of space which is why I linked. But even RP links are not allowed. The proposal replaces the link with: NS's seven Technology Tiers. Hopefully this will work because a GA proposal has limited character space.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:I removed the management definition. I guess NS does not go into this much detail.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:This is the idea where there are separate IEMs for each Technology Tiers. Tier 3 civlizations or higher may have this capability.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:The rules is a nation must allow the transmission of energy if they have idle transmission capacity. This is to ensure local demand cannot be out bid. For example if A and C want to trade but B is inbetween, B cannot be priced out and forced to shut down its demand so A and C can trade.
NoFrellsGiven wrote: I have switched to: The initial source of funding for the IETF will be 1% of GDP to be paid annually for the next 5 years. Which would benefit growing economies more.
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by NoFrellsGiven » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:26 am
Tinfect wrote:That means Tier 1, Type 5, Interstellar Civilization, and no, there are no ways to transmit energy efficiently over a distance of several dozen light-years.
Tinfect wrote:NoFrellsGiven wrote:The rules is a nation must allow the transmission of energy if they have idle transmission capacity. This is to ensure local demand cannot be out bid. For example if A and C want to trade but B is inbetween, B cannot be priced out and forced to shut down its demand so A and C can trade.
Yeah... Having us interact with the Committee does not count.
Tinfect wrote:However, this will seriously bother a lot of the Nations here, both In Character, and Out of Character. We will not be forced to give Energy to other nations, and you will be hard-pressed to convince anyone otherwise.
Tinfect wrote:NoFrellsGiven wrote: I have switched to: The initial source of funding for the IETF will be 1% of GDP to be paid annually for the next 5 years. Which would benefit growing economies more.
That, is a horrible idea.
Think about how much that actually is, by my estimation, a theoretical US-Clone in the World Assembly would be paying somewhere around 162,000,000,000 USD, every year, for five years, to a committee they have no power over, which controls a system they do not want, that they are forced to interact with, for no adequate reason. If you want to explain how your proposal is funded, don't. It inevitably runs into problems like this, and mentioning the World Assembly General Fund will only get you a House of Cards Violation. Look, unless there is some reason you cannot be funded by the General Fund, do not mention how you are going to fund it, and just let the General Fund do its job.
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:31 am
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Excellent advice. How does one submit for a vote.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:
Excellent advice. How does one submit for a vote.
Most people want to make the world a better place instead of pillaging it for their on personal enjoyment before anyone else has a chance to contribute to humanity. I am confident my legislation will pass.
Contains the definition of technology tiers. A GA proposol has a limited amount of space which is why I linked. But even RP links are not allowed. The proposal replaces the link with: NS's seven Technology Tiers. Hopefully this will work because a GA proposal has limited character space.
by NoFrellsGiven » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:41 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:NoFrellsGiven wrote:Excellent advice. How does one submit for a vote.NoFrellsGiven wrote:
Excellent advice. How does one submit for a vote.
I am confident my legislation will pass.
Oh I will put that back in. I didnt like the rest where I was starting to get preachy.
"Always nice to see a redaction like this."Contains the definition of technology tiers. A GA proposol has a limited amount of space which is why I linked. But even RP links are not allowed. The proposal replaces the link with: NS's seven Technology Tiers. Hopefully this will work because a GA proposal has limited character space.
"You would have to include it in the proposal text for it to be valid."
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:46 am
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:
Oh I will put that back in. I didnt like the rest where I was starting to get preachy.
"Always nice to see a redaction like this."
"You would have to include it in the proposal text for it to be valid."
Are tech tiers a built in game concept? Ive got limited space to define tiers. Are these accurate?
Tier 7: Iron Age
Tier 6: Industrial Revolution
Tier 5: Fission Age
Tier 4: Fusion Age
Tier 3: FTL Space Travel
Tier 2: Matter Creation
Tier 1: Gravity Creation
Tier 0: Transcendent
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:17 am
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Tinfect wrote:However, this will seriously bother a lot of the Nations here, both In Character, and Out of Character. We will not be forced to give Energy to other nations, and you will be hard-pressed to convince anyone otherwise.
One is not giving energy to other nations. It does not say any nation is required to sell energy on the market. Nations are only required to not interrupt transmissions.
by Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:09 pm
by Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:13 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Thanks for the post. I don't know why I let the troll get to me.
by NoFrellsGiven » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:24 pm
by NoFrellsGiven » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:33 pm
by United industrial » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:39 pm
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