International Basketball OOC Thread

[Saintland]

from this,

Bracket A: #1, #8, #9, #16
Bracket B: #2, #7, #10, #15
Bracket C: #3, #6, #11, #14
Bracket D: #4, #5, #12, #13

Shouldn't be the winners of The Sword Bloke-Darmen series advance to Bracket B, since TSB is the #15 seed?

Indeed. This has been corrected.

[Saintland]

In case anyone is wondering, nations that have a bye can still obtain an RP bonus for those matchdays.

[Saintland]

Updated Rankings (after IBC 17)

[Kaboomlandia]

Whoopee, I'm in a 12-way tie for 67th, officially 75th.

[Ko-oren]

Big thanks to the hosts and all of my opponents! Third time is the charm after all.

[Cosumar]

Congrats Ko-oren! What a hefty smackdown in the final game!

[Saintland]

Proposed International Basketball Organization (IBO) Constitution, 2nd Draft
(credit to Cassadaigua for the name)

Article I: IBO Eligibility

Section 1: To be a member of the IBO, a nation must have posted a roster and at least 1 RP in each of the previous 2 IBCs.

Section 2: To maintain membership, a nation must post a roster in all subsequent IBCs.

Section 3: Any previous hosts of the IBC are automatically members of the IBO, so long as they successfully hosted the tournament to its conclusion and posted a roster in the most recently completed edition of the IBC.

Article II: Rights and Responsibilities of the Membership

Section 1: The IBO membership shall be the voters for the next Host of the IBC and shall choose from among the available bids and the option to reopen host bids.

Section 2: The IBO shall be the determining body for changes, (ie: repealing, amending or introduction of new rules), to the IBO Constitution. A two-thirds majority shall be needed to amend or repeal any part of the Constitution, but a simple majority vote shall be sufficient for introduction of new rules to the Constitution.

Section 3: The IBO membership is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the IBC and for advertising of the same.

Section 4: The IBO membership shall be held to any subsequent rights and/or responsibilities that are created henceforth into the IBO Constitution.

Article III: President of the IBO

Section 1: The IBO will be headed by a president who will be elected by the membership, using the same election procedures as outlined in Article V.

Section 2: The president will be elected after every third International Basketball Championship, and will serve terms of three IBCs.

Section 3: The president's duties are the following: opening the sign-up thread; opening and collecting host voting; opening and collecting constitutional proposal voting; keeping the membership list updated; and making any other arbitrary decisions which are not fit to be decided by the organization as a whole.

Section 4: The president must appoint a vice-president to serve in his/her absence. If the president goes missing for an extended period of time, or ceases to exist, the vice-president has the right to step up and serve as the president pro tempore.

Section 5: The president may be impeached under the procedures of Article IV. If the president is impeached and removed from the IBO, the vice-president becomes the new president.

Article IV: Impeachment Procedures

Section 1: In order to initiate impeachment and/or removal from office proceedings against a current member of the International Basketball Organization, another member in good standing must motion for impeachment. If a different member seconds the motion, the member is considered impeached.

Section 2: In the event that an IBO member is impeached, the full membership shall have one RL week to discuss whether or not to remove the impeached member. During that period, the impeached member is still considered a full voting member of the IBO on any items other than those involving the impeachment proceedings.

Section 3: The IBO president shall initiate the removal vote, which shall only take place in the event two thirds of votes cast are in favour of removal from office. If the president is the one being impeached, the vice-president shall serve the same role as the president for the purposes of this section.

Section 4: In the event that two third of votes cast are in favor of removal from office, the IBO member shall be removed from the IBO with immediate effect for a period of two International Basketball Championships. At the end of the two International Basketball Championship period, the member may petition to rejoin the IBO and initiate a plan to address any concerns outlined in the impeachment proceedings.

Section 5: Any IBO member removed due to impeachment proceedings must be nominated to rejoin the IBO and must be formally seconded. If that occurs, the IBO may vote on readmission. If a simple majority of votes cast are in favor of readmission, the impeached member shall rejoin the IBO with immediate effect.

Article V: Voting Procedures

Section 1: For an IBO vote to be considered valid, a motion must have a simple majority of votes cast.

Section 2: Any measure that receives the votes of one more than half the active IBO membership shall be automatically approved.

Article VI: Rankings

Section 1: All editions of the IBC must use the latest version of the World Basketball Rankings.

Section 2: The World Basketball Rankings shall be maintained by a ranking keeper approved by the president.

Section 3: No tournaments other than official editions of the IBC shall count toward the World Basketball Rankings.

Section 4: The ranking formula for the World Basketball Rankings shall be as follows:
Clause a. The base formula for the rankings for every round of the IBC will be (wins+1) divided by games played and multiplied by a multiplier
Clause b. The multiplier shall be identical to the number of the round.
Clause c. Teams that receive a bye through a given round shall be credited with 1 win and 1 game played for that round.
Clause d. A team's total ranking shall be made up of 4 components. Those are: A) their previous ranking multiplied by 0.33; B) the total of their ranking points for all rounds from the most recent IBC; C) half of the total of their ranking points for all rounds from the second most recent IBC; D) a quarter of the total of their ranking points for all rounds from the third most recent IBC
Clause e. All nations whose total ranking is less than that of the lowest ranked nation that competed in any of the last 3 IBCs shall be removed from the rankings.

Article VII: Miscellaneous Procedures

Section 1: When creating the signup thread, the thread creator is to provide (at minimum) a link to the winning bid of the last International Basketball Championship and set a definitive deadline for when host bids must be received by.

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See the first draft for the full list of changes.

The major changes were:

1) The WBC-style council voting is gone. Instead, anybody who posts a roster and an RP (or hosts the IBC) in 2 consecutive IBCs gains membership.
2) Vacations and voluntary withdrawals were both removed as both are never used in the WBC and voluntary withdrawals are pointless since you're automatically withdrawn if you're inactive.
3) The president is now allowed to serve consecutive terms.
4) The quorum requirement for votes was removed. We don't need the tournament grinding to a halt just because only 2 or 3 people bother voting for the host.
5) The rankings were added to the Constitution and the formula made explicit. The power to choose the ranking keeper was given to the president. The formula is unaltered from the one that I have been using for the rankings.

The latest version of the proposed Constitution is open for comment and I propose that it be put to vote simultaneously with the host vote for the next IBC (IBC 18). I'm willing to change anything as needed.

[Saintland]

Proposed International Basketball Organization (IBO) Constitution, 3rd Draft
(credit to Cassadaigua for the name)

Article I: IBO Eligibility

Section 1: To be a member of the IBO, a nation must have posted a roster and at least 1 RP in each of the previous 2 IBCs.

Section 2: Nations which do not post a roster for 2 consecutive IBCs will lose their membership.

Section 3: Any previous hosts of the IBC are automatically members of the IBO, so long as they successfully hosted the tournament to its conclusion and posted a roster in the most recently completed edition of the IBC.

Article II: Rights and Responsibilities of the Membership

Section 1: The IBO membership shall be the voters for the next Host of the IBC and shall choose from among the available bids and the option to reopen host bids.

Section 2: The IBO shall be the determining body for changes, (ie: repealing, amending or introduction of new rules), to the IBO Constitution. A two-thirds majority shall be needed to amend or repeal any part of the Constitution, but a simple majority vote shall be sufficient for introduction of new rules to the Constitution.

Section 3: The IBO membership is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the IBC and for advertising of the same.

Section 4: Only 1 IBO member nation may be controlled by the same user at any given time. Membership may be transferred, at any time, to another nation controlled by the same user.

Section 5: The IBO membership shall be held to any subsequent rights and/or responsibilities that are created henceforth into the IBO Constitution.

Article III: President of the IBO

Section 1: The IBO will be headed by a president who will be elected by the membership, using the same election procedures as outlined in Article V.

Section 2: The president will be elected after every third International Basketball Championship, and will serve terms of three IBCs.

Section 3: The president's duties are the following: opening the sign-up thread; opening and collecting host voting; opening and collecting constitutional proposal voting; keeping the membership list updated; and making any other arbitrary decisions which are not fit to be decided by the organization as a whole.

Section 4: The president must appoint a vice-president to serve in his/her absence. If the president goes missing for an extended period of time, or ceases to exist, the vice-president has the right to step up and serve as the president pro tempore.

Section 5: The president may be impeached under the procedures of Article IV. If the president is impeached and removed from the IBO, the vice-president becomes the new president.

Article IV: Impeachment Procedures

Section 1: In order to initiate impeachment and/or removal from office proceedings against a current member of the International Basketball Organization, another member in good standing must motion for impeachment. If a different member seconds the motion, the member is considered impeached.

Section 2: In the event that an IBO member is impeached, the full membership shall have one RL week to discuss whether or not to remove the impeached member. During that period, the impeached member is still considered a full voting member of the IBO on any items other than those involving the impeachment proceedings.

Section 3: The IBO president shall initiate the removal vote, which shall only take place in the event two thirds of votes cast are in favour of removal from office. If the president is the one being impeached, the vice-president shall serve the same role as the president for the purposes of this section.

Section 4: In the event that two third of votes cast are in favor of removal from office, the IBO member shall be removed from the IBO with immediate effect for a period of two International Basketball Championships. At the end of the two International Basketball Championship period, the member may petition to rejoin the IBO and initiate a plan to address any concerns outlined in the impeachment proceedings.

Section 5: Any IBO member removed due to impeachment proceedings must be nominated to rejoin the IBO and must be formally seconded. If that occurs, the IBO may vote on readmission. If a simple majority of votes cast are in favor of readmission, the impeached member shall rejoin the IBO with immediate effect.

Article V: Voting Procedures

Section 1: For an IBO vote to be considered valid, a motion must have a simple majority of votes cast.

Section 2: Any measure that receives the votes of one more than half the active IBO membership shall be automatically approved.

Article VI: Rankings

Section 1: All editions of the IBC must use the latest version of the World Basketball Rankings.

Section 2: The World Basketball Rankings shall be maintained by a ranking keeper approved by the president.

Section 3: No tournaments other than official editions of the IBC shall count toward the World Basketball Rankings.

Section 4: The ranking formula for the World Basketball Rankings shall be as follows:
Clause a. The base formula for the rankings for every round of the IBC will be (wins+1) divided by games played and multiplied by a multiplier
Clause b. The multiplier shall be identical to the number of the round.
Clause c. Teams that receive a bye through a given round shall be credited with 1 win and 1 game played for that round.
Clause d. A team's total ranking shall be made up of 4 components. Those are: A) their previous ranking multiplied by 0.33; B) the total of their ranking points for all rounds from the most recent IBC; C) half of the total of their ranking points for all rounds from the second most recent IBC; D) a quarter of the total of their ranking points for all rounds from the third most recent IBC
Clause e. All nations whose total ranking is less than that of the lowest ranked nation that competed in any of the last 3 IBCs shall be removed from the rankings.

Article VII: Miscellaneous Procedures

Section 1: When creating the signup thread, the thread creator is to provide (at minimum) a link to the winning bid of the last International Basketball Championship and set a definitive deadline for when host bids must be received by.

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The major change in the third draft is that the requirement to stay a member is now to post a roster at least every other IBC. This change came about as a result of discussion with Electrum on IRC.

I've also made explicit that which is normally implicit: that each user can only be a member of the IBO once and that membership can be transferred from one nation belonging to a given user to another.

[Ko-oren]

1) WBC-style voting gone: big fan. I found the WBC-style voting a bit arbitrary. It kept the council small, and full of relatively active nations however. I don't know the size difference between IBC and WBC though, but so far I haven't seen any great differences between the sort of nations the WBC gets awarded to or how the IBC hosts are chosen.

Overall it looks like the new IBO rules make it a lot easier to govern, without relying on just the lucky few active nations that are voted in, relying on more than one nation to be very active as president, or relying on more than just a few host voters.

I don't know how I feel with the rankings being in the constitution, but it can't hurt, it means that someone can take over if something unexpected happens, and if the rankings are flawed I suppose it's easy enough to change the article/relevant section.

About article III, section 4: wouldn't it be more useful to have a vice-president at all times? As far as I know, every other major sport on here has a VP and we can see that it has gone 'wrong' in the American Football department. I think a permanent VP position makes the future of the IBC a bit safer.

A little less serious: why doesn't every sport (maybe apart from soccer, being the largest sport) just have the same constitution? Basketball, Ice Hockey and Baseball all have pretty much the same size tournaments. Oh, and while we're at it, I think it should be mandatory for all hosts to include the Round of 16 schedule (as in A1-B2, C1-D2, etc)

[Armeia]

Do we have a thread for rosters and stuff yet?

[Ko-oren]

Do we have a thread for rosters and stuff yet?

Not yet. First we need a host bid (or multiple host bids), then a vote to decide who eventually will host the tournament. After that the host will create a tournament thread.

Host bid deadline is the 8th of August, so adding a couple days to vote and create a thread, and we will look at the 10th-12th of August at the earliest for a tournament thread.

[Frenline Delpha]

Quick note: The groups are split between the two narions, not Splitted. I can't help myself.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Frenline: Groups A-D (IC Québécois Half - Scorinated by SJG) Groups E-H ( IC Guayabalense Half - Scorinated by RKQ)

In another note, Pots and Groups have been posted in the OP, calendar has been pushed back one day to compensate the delay of the posting of this, due to RL issues (Huge time difference, 15 hours)

[The Saint James Islands]

Frenline: Groups A-D (IC Québécois Half - Scorinated by SJG) Groups E-H ( IC Guayabalense Half - Scorinated by RKQ)

In another note, Pots and Groups have been posted in the OP, calendar has been pushed back one day to compensate the delay of the posting of this, due to RL issues (Huge time difference, 15 hours)

In Group B, would it be possible to correct "Omerika" to "Omerica"?

[Vangaziland]

I'm listed as unranked in the thread. Thing is, I RP'd IBC 17 and am on the chart/table as tied for (52) or somewhere around there. Any chance for a quick update?

Pot 5

Northeasternland (UR)
Frenline Delpha (UR)
Cruenatia (UR)
Sri Lankin (UR)
Marion Oaks (UR)
Vangaziland (UR)
Elejamie (UR)
Ekoz (UR)

[San Jose Guayabal]

Fixed.

[The Saint James Islands]

Fixed.

Thanks for fixing the listing under Pot 3, but Omerica is still shown as "Omerika" in the list of groups:

Group B

Abanhfleft (8)
Kirisaki (30)
Omerika (52)
Valanora (52)
Vangaziland (UR)
Zainea (UR)
Luxdonia (UR)

[Vangaziland]

Thanks for the fix!

[San Jose Guayabal]

De to a familiar emergency of Queb, the tournament will be delayed two days, games will be scorinated on monday, if Quebec doesn't appears that day, I'll took his place until he returns. Apologies for the delay.

[Nova Anglicana]

Question: if the principal tiebreaker is H2H results, why am I seeded 7th and Cosumar 3rd when I beat them on MD2?

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Question: if the principal tiebreaker is H2H results, why am I seeded 7th and Cosumar 3rd when I beat them on MD2?

My errors on standings for Group F. I accidentally set the tiebreakers on wrong order and it screwed things up, as a result.

It should be fixed now.

[Electrum]

I've got Brockholtistan again in my R16 when that nation was in my group as well

[Electrum]

What a thrilling ending, congratulations to the winner!

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By my estimations, those that have RPed and Rostered in IBC 17 and 18, and will therefore form part of the IBO are (If you think you should be on this list, TG me):

By Article 1, Section 1:
San Llera
Flardania
Nova Anglicana
Ko-oren
Abanhfleft
The Sword Bloke
Vangaziland

By Article 1, Section 3:
Electrum
Saintland
Royal Kingdom of Quebec/Norrehavn
Mizuyuki/Kirisaki
San Jose Guayabal

Those eligible to join the IBO should they post a roster and an RP next edition are:
Cruenatia
Frenline Delpha
Alastonia-
Armeia
Natanian and Nosts
Taeshan
Cosumar

I should also make clear that I won't be going for the IBO presidency simply because I'm going to be pretty busy in the next few months what with exams and a possible hosting of the Olympics, so I won't be able to make sign up threads/check on memberships/do everything else and all that jazz. Though I am open to being appointed as VP... I think we should be starting votes pretty soon, as soon as I get some feedback tomorrow morning on the IRC.

[Electrum]

(12 hours ago...) I have received 4 nominations for the IBO Presidency. They are:

Royal Kingdom of Quebec
Saintland
Ko-oren
The Sword Bloke

These are your candidates for the IBO Presidency. Only the following nations in the IBO may vote:

San Llera
Flardania
Nova Anglicana
Ko-oren
Abanhfleft
The Sword Bloke
Vangaziland
Electrum
Saintland
Royal Kingdom of Quebec/Norrehavn
Mizuyuki/Kirisaki
San Jose Guayabal

Please follow the instructions below:

Using the ballot paper underneath, put a one next to your most preferred candidate, a two for your next-preferred candidate all the way down to four for your least preferred candidate.

You must number all boxes (Voting is instant-preferential voting).

Send your votes via telegram to Cocon.ut Is.le.

Voting ends Wednesday 30th September, Melbourne Time.

[]Royal Kingdom of Quebec
[]Saintland
[]Ko-oren 
[]The Sword Bloke

[Electrum]

International Basketball Organisation Presidency Results

There were 7 votes cast (I should note I didn't vote in it), therefore, the majority required to win is 4 votes.

First preferences
Royal Kingdom of Quebec - 3 votes
Saintland - 3 votes
Ko-oren - 1 vote
The Sword Bloke - 0 votes

The Sword Bloke (automatically eliminated as they had no votes) and Ko-oren (least amount of votes) are eliminated.

Second preferences
Royal Kingdom of Quebec - 3 votes
Saintland - 3+1 = 4 votes

Saintland is elected inaugural President of the International Basketball Organisation.