National Socialism

[Panzerjaeger]

Which is what the OP is promoting.

Im not promoting violence



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If you are replacing race with nationality in National Socialism you are. National Socialism is based on the idea of a Divinely Sanctioned Race War as Hitler states several times thus to replace race with nation would mean you support Divinely Sanctioned...War I guess.

[Hohe Reich]

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Yeah, cause the single mothers with two kids can really move to another country.

Racist groups arent as damaging if they target a country that they dont reside in (not counting terrorism)

[Hohe Reich]

If you are replacing race with nationality in National Socialism you are. National Socialism is based on the idea of a Divinely Sanctioned Race War as Hitler states several times thus to replace race with nation would mean you support Divinely Sanctioned...War I guess.

No. I am following my own form of Revisionist N.S. And no that does not mean i am a holocaust denier, cause im not

[Panzerjaeger]

Just because I am bored and this is a dicussion about Racism and National Socialism I am going to quote Hitler's Last Will and Testament written in the Führer Bunker shortly before his suicide:


In saying this, I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred. It is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. Pride in one's own race—and that does not imply contempt for other races—is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilisations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilisation to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them. (13th February 1945)

Our racial pride is not aggressive except in so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race. There does, however, exist a community, to which, in fact, the term can be applied and the existence of which is admitted by the Jews themselves. It is the spiritually homogeneous group, to membership of which all Jews throughout the world deliberately adhere, regardless of their whereabouts and of their country of domicile; and it to this group of human beings to which we give the title Jewish race. (13th February 1945)

Quite interesting.

[UNIverseVERSE]

But they wiuld not be in the same country or they would be self haters


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Why not? Just because I'm an American doesn't mean all those dirty immigrants/liberals/poor people are real Americans as well, does it? Indeed, it's the duty of us Real Americans to kick them all out, so our nation can be great. America for the Americans, not the Irish!

History already disproves the contention you're trying to make.

[Hohe Reich]

Why not? Just because I'm an American doesn't mean all those dirty immigrants/liberals/poor people are real Americans as well, does it? Indeed, it's the duty of us Real Americans to kick them all out, so our nation can be great. America for the Americans, not the Irish!

History already disproves the contention you're trying to make.

I do agree with kicking out the illegal ones

[UNIverseVERSE]

I do agree with kicking out the illegal ones

And from there to lynching immigrants from countries you don't like is not much of a jump at all.

[Kanabia]

Possibly the most perversely fucked up ideology to be conceived by humans, although there are others not far behind.

[Unchecked Expansion]

If you are replacing race with nationality in National Socialism you are. National Socialism is based on the idea of a Divinely Sanctioned Race War as Hitler states several times thus to replace race with nation would mean you support Divinely Sanctioned...War I guess.

No. I am following my own form of Revisionist N.S. And no that does not mean i am a holocaust denier, cause im not

By calling it national socialism, you are forming an obvious connection to the nazi regime. That carries an immense cultural connotation of violence, racial hatred, slavery and purges. If you don't like those connotations stop calling yourself a national socialist

[Farnhamia]

If you are replacing race with nationality in National Socialism you are. National Socialism is based on the idea of a Divinely Sanctioned Race War as Hitler states several times thus to replace race with nation would mean you support Divinely Sanctioned...War I guess.

No. I am following my own form of Revisionist N.S. And no that does not mean i am a holocaust denier, cause im not

By calling it national socialism, you are forming an obvious connection to the nazi regime. That carries an immense cultural connotation of violence, racial hatred, slavery and purges. If you don't like those connotations stop calling yourself a national socialist

There is wisdom here. National Socialists have to face up to the fact that the German regime in the 1930s and 1940s tainted the brand, probably forever, certainly for centuries to come. I'm not sure what's analogous. Maybe someone named Kenneth Kevin Kelly who lives in Alabama starting a business and using his initials as the logo. It isn't going to play well simply because people will automatically associate the initials with that racially-exclusive group that's gotten so much publicity in the past 150 years.

[Teccor]

It's authoritative progressivism. All progressivism is utter fail.

National Socialism, AKA the National Socialist German Workers' Party, were Nazis. The only good Nazi is an undead one, on fire, and near to his second death.

/thread

[Ecans]

Those who argue that the National Socialists' of Germany "did some good" before starting WWII overlook the fact that almost all of the full employment generated was due to the massive buildup of arms (the Autobahn was designed to carry heavy military traffic and supply ready-made airstrips) and that Germany would have been bankrupt if the war had not been started.

Oh yes, the property confiscated from Jews, Masons, Communists and any other groups labelled as enemies of the Reich helped, but the treasure trove of arms, raw materials, manufacturing and agricultural capacity stolen from the conquered nations are the only things that kept the war going. All that plus the oceans of blood spilled of course.

[Hohe Reich]

And from there to lynching immigrants from countries you don't like is not much of a jump at all.

They dont freakin deserve to live here if they come over illegaly

[UNIverseVERSE]

They dont freakin deserve to live here if they come over illegaly

I'm just going to observe that this line of discussion was started by you saying that nationalism wouldn't give the motivation for violence that racism does (paraphrased).

I think that speaks for itself.

[Hohe Reich]

I'm just going to observe that this line of discussion was started by you saying that nationalism wouldn't give the motivation for violence that racism does (paraphrased).

I think that speaks for itself.

Is it really that hard to come here legally?

[Heartlund]

Racism was used as a scapegoat almost to get things done. A lot of what they did was manipulate the population to get them distracted. The majority of N.S was Aryan Supremacy, which technically is different in Racism. Believing that your race is better isn't expressing hate on all other races, for example you can say the zoinks is genetically better than the boo race, but the boo race isn't half bad itself. supremacy takes run from just being prideful in who and what you are. Its when it goes to the extreme that it can become Racism. In the end N.S did a LOT for post WWI Germany, and if Hitler had let his General runs the war, and switched out Hermann Goering with a better Luftwaffe leader then we would all be speaking German.

So saying 'my race is better' does not imply that the other race is worse? And saying your race is genetically better is not saying that the other races are genetically inferior? Saying these things about other races does not make you racist? Ok...

[Greater Americania]

I just have to note, some of the liberal quotes from this thread make me want to slam my head against the wall. I honestly don't know how much more of this liberal ignorance and cowardice I can tolerate.

[Great Nepal]

Yes - why not... Racism is a part of NS - you can take out the part of a ideology but keep other, no problem.
Also on second note: if anyone would do that I bet it would be the best path ever.

[Ardanoria]

Just because I am bored and this is a dicussion about Racism and National Socialism I am going to quote Hitler's Last Will and Testament written in the Führer Bunker shortly before his suicide:


In saying this, I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred. It is, in any case, undesirable that one race should mix with other races. Except for a few gratuitous successes, which I am prepared to admit, systematic cross-breeding has never produced good results. Its desire to remain racially pure is a proof of the vitality and good health of a race. Pride in one's own race—and that does not imply contempt for other races—is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilisations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilisation to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them. (13th February 1945)

Our racial pride is not aggressive except in so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race. There does, however, exist a community, to which, in fact, the term can be applied and the existence of which is admitted by the Jews themselves. It is the spiritually homogeneous group, to membership of which all Jews throughout the world deliberately adhere, regardless of their whereabouts and of their country of domicile; and it to this group of human beings to which we give the title Jewish race. (13th February 1945)

Quite interesting.

I'm going to need some source of that.