None.
Just saying.
This has degenerated more than the Salem Witch Hunt.
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by Equestria and Griffon » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:20 am
by Nordengrund » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:21 am
by Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:22 am
by Tayner » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:22 am
Belchost wrote:Disclaimer: this post contains the opinions of an American citizen who is not racist but does value free speech
Just my opinion, but I think that the while confederate flag should be removed from state buildings, people should be completely free to display it in other places, such as memorials, museums, etc.
I feel that removing the flag from state buildings shows that the U.S. doesn't support racism and hate based on things such as ethnicity or religion. However, I also feel that it is restricting free speech by preventing people from publicly displaying the flag. Thus, I believe that people should not be restricted from flying it at places such as their homes, memorials, and other places.
Plus, an orange charger with welded shut doors isn't nearly as cool without the flag on top
by Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:24 am
by Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:24 am
by Belchost » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:25 am
Benjamin Franklin wrote:Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Franklin D. Roosevelt wrote:There are as many opinions as there are experts.
Bon Scott wrote:I was married at the time when I first joined the band and my wife said: 'Why don't you write a song about me ?' So I wrote 'She's got balls'. Then she divorced me.
by Nordengrund » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:26 am
Tigeria wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
So you would fight and die for someone's freedom to express their Southern Pride?
I could care less if someone wants to express their southern pride, I won't fight that flag. Either way I'm just one person so it's not like the world will end because I don't support that flag.
by Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:26 am
Tayner wrote:Belchost wrote:Disclaimer: this post contains the opinions of an American citizen who is not racist but does value free speech
Just my opinion, but I think that the while confederate flag should be removed from state buildings, people should be completely free to display it in other places, such as memorials, museums, etc.
I feel that removing the flag from state buildings shows that the U.S. doesn't support racism and hate based on things such as ethnicity or religion. However, I also feel that it is restricting free speech by preventing people from publicly displaying the flag. Thus, I believe that people should not be restricted from flying it at places such as their homes, memorials, and other places.
Plus, an orange charger with welded shut doors isn't nearly as cool without the flag on top
It is flying over the Confederate War Memorial.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:28 am
by Melfar » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:28 am
Gauthier wrote:Eastern Equestria wrote:
I was under the impression that we were talking about the rights of private citizens, which of course don't apply to state governments.
One can fly the flag on one's front yard and burn crosses next to it for all I care, but it's rather stupefying that people are demanding that state government has the right to fly a symbol of secession against the federal government.
by Belchost » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:29 am
Equestria and Griffon wrote:No one is arguing about it.
Benjamin Franklin wrote:Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Franklin D. Roosevelt wrote:There are as many opinions as there are experts.
Bon Scott wrote:I was married at the time when I first joined the band and my wife said: 'Why don't you write a song about me ?' So I wrote 'She's got balls'. Then she divorced me.
by Lowell Leber » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:30 am
by Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:30 am
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:31 am
Tayner wrote:Belchost wrote:Disclaimer: this post contains the opinions of an American citizen who is not racist but does value free speech
Just my opinion, but I think that the while confederate flag should be removed from state buildings, people should be completely free to display it in other places, such as memorials, museums, etc.
I feel that removing the flag from state buildings shows that the U.S. doesn't support racism and hate based on things such as ethnicity or religion. However, I also feel that it is restricting free speech by preventing people from publicly displaying the flag. Thus, I believe that people should not be restricted from flying it at places such as their homes, memorials, and other places.
Plus, an orange charger with welded shut doors isn't nearly as cool without the flag on top
It is flying over the Confederate War Memorial.
by Tayner » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:32 am
Arcturus Novus wrote:Gauthier wrote:
Because it's history? We all know lots of good come out of white-washing history clean, just ask the Japanese.
I know that we need to remember history, but this honors Confederate troops. It supports a group that willingly seceded from- and fought against- the United States, mostly to preserve their "right"to own slaves. It's ridiculous.
by Tigeria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:32 am
Nordengrund wrote:Tigeria wrote:
I could care less if someone wants to express their southern pride, I won't fight that flag. Either way I'm just one person so it's not like the world will end because I don't support that flag.
It's okay if you don't support the flag. I am just pointing out that you claim to support freedom of expression when you are against people flying rebel flags.
by Arcturus Novus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:33 am
Tayner wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:I know that we need to remember history, but this honors Confederate troops. It supports a group that willingly seceded from- and fought against- the United States, mostly to preserve their "right"to own slaves. It's ridiculous.
Custard has many memorials and his goal was to push the Native Americans out further west by force.
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Tayner » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:35 am
by The German Democratic Reich » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:36 am
by Eastern Equestria » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:36 am
Tayner wrote:Arcturus Novus wrote:I know that we need to remember history, but this honors Confederate troops. It supports a group that willingly seceded from- and fought against- the United States, mostly to preserve their "right"to own slaves. It's ridiculous.
Custard has many memorials and his goal was to push the Native Americans out further west by force.
by Trollgaard » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:38 am
Eastern Equestria wrote:Tayner wrote:It is flying over the Confederate War Memorial.
A memorial which happens to be on the grounds of South Carolina's state capitol. By flying it there, the government is essentially telling its citizens that it endorses the values which that flag represents. That's why it needs to come down.
by Gauthier » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:39 am
Trollgaard wrote:Eastern Equestria wrote:
A memorial which happens to be on the grounds of South Carolina's state capitol. By flying it there, the government is essentially telling its citizens that it endorses the values which that flag represents. That's why it needs to come down.
Nonsense. I hope once the issue is debated by the SC government the bill or whatever to remove the flag is defeated. Keep history alive. Keep that glorious battle flag flying high.
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