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by Outer Sparta » Sat May 30, 2015 11:59 am
by Glorious KASSRD » Sat May 30, 2015 12:21 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Those youngsters died for nothing. Vietnam was for nothing. Thousands of lives lost, 140 billions of dollars wasted (amounting to 950 today, not including veteran benefits), sixteen years down the drain - for nothing. 140 billion dollars?!?!?! Those billions of dollars could've been used on education, healthcare, welfare, and improving ourselves within, not buying another nuclear warhead like some sort of anti-commie president tells us. Our debt would've been a lot less if it weren't for Vietnam and our arms race with the USSR. Vietnam was a COMPLETE]waste of our time, people, and to our economy.
by Anshaskia » Sat May 30, 2015 12:24 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Those youngsters died for nothing. Vietnam was for nothing. Thousands of lives lost, 140 billions of dollars wasted (amounting to 950 today), sixteen years down the drain - for nothing. 140 billion dollars?!?!?! Those billions of dollars could've been used on education, healthcare, welfare, and improving ourselves within, not buying another nuclear warhead like some sort of anti-commie president tells us. Our debt would've been a lot less if it weren't for Vietnam and our arms race with the USSR. Vietnam was a COMPLETE]waste of our time, people, and to our economy.
by -The West Coast- » Sat May 30, 2015 12:32 pm
by Anshaskia » Sat May 30, 2015 12:56 pm
-The West Coast- wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
There is no way America could have won...
The United States WAS winning the Vietnam War militarily. After crushing the Tet Offensive and pushing the VC back, the US military and its allies had every chance to continue forward and slowly and utterly annihilate the dirty Communists that infected North Vietnam.
The only reason the United States made peace (we never lost) with the dirty Commies in Hanoi was because of equally dirty and useless hippies and free love drug addicts were protesting the war and couldn't handle modern warfare's real human cost when they saw it on the television each night.
Public opinion of the presidency and the war were worse than Hitler so LBJ pussied out (for the millionth time in his life) and we made peace with our mortal enemy so that some dopers in Woodstock could feel better about themselves.
by Yuketobaniac » Sat May 30, 2015 1:07 pm
nope T-14 it'll prove to be a piece of junk, stick with the T-90 and T-72 and upgrade those to be better hellfire targets XDXDXD
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sat May 30, 2015 2:17 pm
by The New Sea Territory » Sat May 30, 2015 3:28 pm
-The West Coast- wrote:The United States WAS winning the Vietnam War militarily. After crushing the Tet Offensive and pushing the VC back, the US military and its allies had every chance to continue forward and slowly and utterly annihilate the dirty Communists that infected North Vietnam.
The only reason the United States made peace (we never lost) with the dirty Commies in Hanoi was because of equally dirty and useless hippies and free love drug addicts were protesting the war and couldn't handle modern warfare's real human cost when they saw it on the television each night.
Public opinion of the presidency and the war were worse than Hitler so LBJ pussied out (for the millionth time in his life) and we made peace with our mortal enemy so that some dopers in Woodstock could feel better about themselves.
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by Glorious KASSRD » Sat May 30, 2015 3:30 pm
by Imperial City-States » Sun May 31, 2015 1:02 am
by Outer Sparta » Sun May 31, 2015 6:53 am
by Glorious KASSRD » Sun May 31, 2015 10:12 am
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun May 31, 2015 2:21 pm
Glorious KASSRD wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:We went to war to get Britain to stop impressing our sailors. Our capital city got burned down and nothing changed.
That's a loss.
We went to war to stop Britain messing with our sailors and trade. They stopped messing with our sailors and trade. They also succeeded in keeping their lands. That's a draw.
by Imperial City-States » Sun May 31, 2015 2:32 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Glorious KASSRD wrote:We went to war to stop Britain messing with our sailors and trade. They stopped messing with our sailors and trade. They also succeeded in keeping their lands. That's a draw.
Except you're wrong! When you go to war to change something, and the final treaty that ends said war puts things back to status quo antebellum, plus your capital got burned down and you lost a shitload of slaves/property, you lost.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun May 31, 2015 2:33 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Except you're wrong! When you go to war to change something, and the final treaty that ends said war puts things back to status quo antebellum, plus your capital got burned down and you lost a shitload of slaves/property, you lost.
It's not surprising nor that shameful. Yeah we lost. Against arguably the Best Army in the world with nothing more than levies.
by Imperial City-States » Sun May 31, 2015 2:34 pm
by Aalmark » Sun May 31, 2015 2:44 pm
by Imperial City-States » Sun May 31, 2015 2:48 pm
Aalmark wrote:Bloody failure of a war. Normally, I like to add substance to my posts, explain myself, etc. But, there is so little that needs to be said here. It seems like an oversimplification when people say "we intervened because we were reckless and didn't want communism", but it's not an oversimplification. Just goes to show that LBJ was a bastard.
by Aalmark » Sun May 31, 2015 2:50 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Aalmark wrote:Bloody failure of a war. Normally, I like to add substance to my posts, explain myself, etc. But, there is so little that needs to be said here. It seems like an oversimplification when people say "we intervened because we were reckless and didn't want communism", but it's not an oversimplification. Just goes to show that LBJ was a bastard.
IIRC Kennedy was the first one to have intervention.
by The United Federation of Terrans » Sun May 31, 2015 2:53 pm
by Outer Sparta » Sun May 31, 2015 6:17 pm
by Imperial City-States » Sun May 31, 2015 6:29 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:How many civilian deaths were attributed to Agent Orange, America's chemical weapon?
by Eastern Equestria » Sun May 31, 2015 6:45 pm
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