[PASSED] Rights of Indigenous Peoples

[Knootoss]

"Oh, the idea of letting those primitive native people keep scraps of land where they can pretend it's like the olden days is just marvellous. Thanks to this resolution they'd be able to keep their pots and pans and feathered caps, and no government will be allowed to stop them from trying to live in leaky huts. Adorable.

My staff told me to suggest, though, that the preservation of an old 'culture' is exactly what colonial powers like Knootoss used to do to entrap native peoples in quasi-feudal practices, and that this is a bad thing! Oh. They also wanted me to point out that the peoples of the World Assembly have individual rights, which might contradict this proposal. After all, culture is such a flexible concept, and any attempt at education or even cooperation or co-mingling would inevitably change a culture over time, and it may not be all that sweet to condemn a group of people to the set of cultural practices that their ancestors happened to have had when the White Man 'discovered' them. They even said that might be condescending.

I disagree though. I love this draft!"

Contribution by,

Ambassador Rozemijn Reuvelkamp
World Assembly representative for the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss

[Vancouvia]

"As I've expressed to you in private, Sciongrad is glad this issue is being addressed and offers its support to this draft. That being said, if you could hold off on submitting this for another day or so, I do have some suggestions. While most are grammatical and stylistic, I also have some more substantive suggestions that I'd like you to consider before you submit."

OOC: I'd love to post my suggestions now, but I don't have the time right now. I'll be sure to post something within the next day.

Any update on this

[Kaboomlandia]

10 approvals. This could be going places.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Concerned that the resolution 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' permits ritual murder, as ritual murders are not prohibited by international law,

Believing that ritual murder is immoral and a violation of human rights,

Disapproving of the resolution 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples', as it prohibits governments from providing healthcare and pursuing infrastructure programmes in sovereign territory if there are beliefs to the contrary,

Confident that international economic development is important for the functioning of the free society and the raising of standards of living,

Recalling that no legislation exists which prohibits the 'specific practices of indigenous peoples',

Distressed that this would allow indigenous peoples to circumvent the legitimate authority of member nations,

Objecting to a definition of 'indigenous' which does not allow for the case that nations are built upon their own native populations,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals the resolution on the 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples'.

Note: Apologies about this, which may seem as if I am promoting my own draft in someone else's thread. At the time this was posted, I used proposal format to highlight my willingness to go back into the fire to repeal it. I did not expect that this draft would actually turn into a proposal.

[Vancouvia]

Concerned that the resolution 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' permits ritual murder, as ritual murders are not prohibited by international law,

Believing that ritual murder is immoral and a violation of human rights,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals the resolution on the 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples'.

Wow, someone should get on that ban of ritual murder then.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Concerned that the resolution 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' permits ritual murder, as ritual murders are not prohibited by international law,

Believing that ritual murder is immoral and a violation of human rights,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals the resolution on the 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples'.

Wow, someone should get on that ban of ritual murder then.

Won't work. Your resolution says 'exceptions provided in cases in which existing international law prohibits specific practices of the indigenous peoples'. That's existing, not past and future. Also, I'm not sure whether any such legislation would prohibit 'specific practices of the indigenous peoples'.

[Vancouvia]

I wish you would have brought this up before one hour after I submitted it

[Imperium Anglorum]

I wish you would have brought this up before one hour after I submitted it

I only saw this thread because Bombs Kaboomlandia bumped it up. Otherwise, that would have been gravedigging, and we can't have that, can we?

Edit 1: Corrected name.

[Kaboomlandia]

I wish you would have brought this up before one hour after I submitted it

I only saw this thread because Bombs bumped it up. Otherwise, that would have been gravedigging, and we can't have that, can we?

"Bombs"? Is that my new nickname?

[Imperium Anglorum]

I only saw this thread because Bombs bumped it up. Otherwise, that would have been gravedigging, and we can't have that, can we?

"Bombs"? Is that my new nickname?

Well, that is what your flag is. Unfortunately, I had a brain-fart up there and forgot your full name. Plus, you don't have an RP-ed Ambassador.

[Vancouvia]

I wish you would have brought this up before one hour after I submitted it

I only saw this thread because Bombs bumped it up. Otherwise, that would have been gravedigging, and we can't have that, can we?

I will be defending this resolution with the claim that this is a mild proposal and "prohibits" can mean simply "to hinder or prevent." My only regret is using "prohibits" as it can be seen as having a strong connotation.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prohibit

[Imperium Anglorum]

I only saw this thread because Bombs bumped it up. Otherwise, that would have been gravedigging, and we can't have that, can we?

I will be defending this resolution with the claim that this is a mild proposal and "prohibits" can mean simply "to hinder or prevent." My only regret is using "prohibits" as it can be seen as having a strong connotation.

'Ambassador, change that to 'prevents', and you get the exact same thing... a mandate that WA nations not do something'.

[Vancouvia]

I will be defending this resolution with the claim that this is a mild proposal and "prohibits" can mean simply "to hinder or prevent." My only regret is using "prohibits" as it can be seen as having a strong connotation.

'Ambassador, change that to 'prevents', and you get the exact same thing... a mandate that WA nations not do something'.

"We're sticking with hinders, then."

[Imperium Anglorum]

'Ambassador, change that to 'prevents', and you get the exact same thing... a mandate that WA nations not do something'.

"We're sticking with hinders, then."

Parsons goes to his intern and asks for a glass of white wine, Moscato, preferably. Then, after taking a long gulp, he raises his arm to the camera, takes a Picard-esque position, and says, 'You've got to be kidding me'.

[Knootoss]

((OOC: I brought up the problem of feudal practices way before you submitted it, and you didn't care to respond, mate.))

[Vancouvia]

((OOC: I brought up the problem of feudal practices way before you submitted it, and you didn't care to respond, mate.))

Ambassador Rozemijn Reuvelkamp loved the draft, and I trust her opinion.

[Separatist Peoples]

((OOC: I brought up the problem of feudal practices way before you submitted it, and you didn't care to respond, mate.))

Ambassador Rozemijn Reuvelkamp loved the draft, and I trust her opinion.

OOC: that was so obviously satire, it hurt to read.

[Vancouvia]

Ambassador Rozemijn Reuvelkamp loved the draft, and I trust her opinion.

OOC: that was so obviously satire, it hurt to read.

The Vancouvian diplomats have a clear precedent on answering satire with sarcasm, and our Congress has been trying to get them to change this, but truly what can you do.

[Defwa]

Most of the teeth have been pulled from this. As a result I find it inoffensive but questionably effective.

Using the term "existing international law", though, is dangerous. First off, a law shared between two nations is international and thus two racist nations can validate their actions via cooperation. Specify that you mean WA law.
I would encourage looking into examples of where indigenous people have been discriminated against in history and address a few of them specifically.

You asked for my vote. I would endorse but not encourage my constituents to vote for. However, the DSA can often be very trusting with human rights resolutions and might receive the regional vote.

Thank you, edited it to WA law.

I see this wasn't reflected in the submitted draft.

[Vancouvia]

It was not; I saw a couple other proposals with international law and thought that rang better. I forgot about that conversation and would have not changed it if I had not forgotten it. Sorry about that

[Christian Democrats]

I hope this proposal goes down in flames given that it would excuse human sacrifice, infanticide, sati, and other immoral acts.

Indigenous groups should be allowed cultural autonomy, but to excuse them from all criminal laws is unreasonable.

[Vancouvia]

Don't worry it doesn't; prohibits can be interpreted as meaning "hinders"

[Kaboomlandia]

"And we're at quorum.

It should be noted that the Kaboomlandians were the original settlers of our proud land, so we'll take all the extra rights this gives us ."

Kai Walters
Ambassador to the WA

[Excidium Planetis]

Concerned that the resolution 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' permits ritual murder, as ritual murders are not prohibited by international law,

Believing that ritual murder is immoral and a violation of human rights,

Disapproving of the resolution 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples', as it prohibits governments from providing healthcare and pursuing infrastructure programmes in sovereign territory if there are beliefs to the contrary,

Confident that international economic development is important for the functioning of the free society and the raising of standards of living,

Recalling that no legislation exists which prohibits the 'specific practices of indigenous peoples',

Distressed that this would allow indigenous peoples to circumvent the legitimate authority of member nations,

Objecting to a definition of 'indigenous' which does not allow for the case that nations are built upon their own native populations,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals the resolution on the 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples'.

Forget ritual murder... the allowing "indigenous peoples to circumvent the legitimate authority of member nations" is more concerning. The fact that they can form their own separate government due to 'cultural' differences is alarming, as well as the fact that they can legally commit crimes in our nation and refuse to allow us to administer medical care to sick individuals!

Of course, our beloved nation doesn't have any indigenous cultures (living on spaceships and all), but we cannot support a resolution that allows indigenous cultures to oppose national laws in such ways. Excidium Planetis votes AGAINST.

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