The Commonwealth of Socialist States (MT Alliance Thread)

[Transoxthraxia]

So you beleive people should be imprisoned, forced into labor, tortured and even killed if they are "rightist" or "reactionary"; correct?

No, educated and rehabilitated.

Those who try to overthrow the state, would probably have to be killed.

What is rehabilitation to you? Forced labour camps?

[Ardoki]

For his rightist enemies, yes. Not for the leftist ones though, they were above Comrade Stalin.

"The French Revolution was the rise of democracy in Europe. Democracy is, as I take all forms of government to be, a contradiction in itself, an untruth, nothing but hypocrisy (theology, as we Germans call it), at the bottom. Political liberty is sham-liberty, the worst possible sort of slavery; the appearance of liberty, and therefore the worst servitude. Just so also is political equality for me; therefore democracy, as well as every other form of government, must ultimately break to pieces."
- Friedrich Engels, "Frankreich", 1843

Socialism is inherently anti-democratic and genocidal. Get over yourself. Unless, of course, you don't know who Friedrich Engels is.

I also hate democracy.

Though I am neither communist of anarchist.

[Transoxthraxia]

"The French Revolution was the rise of democracy in Europe. Democracy is, as I take all forms of government to be, a contradiction in itself, an untruth, nothing but hypocrisy (theology, as we Germans call it), at the bottom. Political liberty is sham-liberty, the worst possible sort of slavery; the appearance of liberty, and therefore the worst servitude. Just so also is political equality for me; therefore democracy, as well as every other form of government, must ultimately break to pieces."
- Friedrich Engels, "Frankreich", 1843

Socialism is inherently anti-democratic and genocidal. Get over yourself. Unless, of course, you don't know who Friedrich Engels is.

I also hate democracy.

Though I am neither communist of anarchist.

So you agree with oppressing the people's political right?

[Inyourfaceistan]

So you beleive people should be imprisoned, forced into labor, tortured and even killed if they are "rightist" or "reactionary"; correct?

No, educated and rehabilitated.
Those who try to overthrow the state, would probably have to be killed.

What constitutes as "trying to overthrow the state"?

[Ardoki]

No, educated and rehabilitated.

Those who try to overthrow the state, would probably have to be killed.

What is rehabilitation to you? Forced labour camps?

Labour does not help a misguided person become a good citizen.

They would be confined to a specific facility and given education, until they have adopted correct views.

[Ardoki]

No, educated and rehabilitated.
Those who try to overthrow the state, would probably have to be killed.

What constitutes as "trying to overthrow the state"?

Any opposition to it.

[Ardoki]

I also hate democracy.

Though I am neither communist of anarchist.

So you agree with oppressing the people's political right?

You are a fascist. You don't like democracy either.

[Transoxthraxia]

So you agree with oppressing the people's political right?

You are a fascist. You don't like democracy either.

At least I embrace the fact and not hide behind the red curtain of revolution and "center left" political stances.

[Inyourfaceistan]

What constitutes as "trying to overthrow the state"?

Any opposition to it.

Mmkay.

We're done here...

[Ardoki]

You are a fascist. You don't like democracy either.

At least I embrace the fact and not hide behind the red curtain of revolution and "center left" political stances.

Economically I'm centre-left.

Though I'm heavily influenced by Vanguardism, Democratic Centrism, etcetera of Comrade Lenin.

[Transoxthraxia]

Any opposition to it.

Mmkay.

We're done here...

I could give my own conclusion, but this sums it up well enough.

[Transoxthraxia]

At least I embrace the fact and not hide behind the red curtain of revolution and "center left" political stances.

Economically I'm centre-left.

Though I'm heavily influenced by Vanguardism, Democratic Centrism, etcetera of Comrade Lenin.

Didn't you just say you were anti-democracy?

[Ardoki]

Economically I'm centre-left.

Though I'm heavily influenced by Vanguardism, Democratic Centrism, etcetera of Comrade Lenin.

Didn't you just say you were anti-democracy?

You do not know what Democratic Centrism is either.

I also like the concept of People's Democratic Dictatorship of Comrade Mao.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Didn't you just say you were anti-democracy?

You do not know what Democratic Centrism is either.

I also like the concept of People's Democratic Dictatorship of Comrade Mao.

So more starving millions to death and killing people for owning property and being educated?

[Ardoki]

You do not know what Democratic Centrism is either.

I also like the concept of People's Democratic Dictatorship of Comrade Mao.

So more starving millions to death and killing people for owning property and being educated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_democratic_dictatorship

Before commenting, please take the time to actually know what you are responding to.

[Transoxthraxia]

Any opposition to it.

Mmkay.

We're done here...

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[Inyourfaceistan]

So more starving millions to death and killing people for owning property and being educated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_democratic_dictatorship

Before commenting, please take the time to actually know what you are responding to.

Right back at you:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Btw, if you can't read that's between 15 - 40 million dead of starvation alone, not counting those intentionally killed for violating Mao's policies.

[Ardoki]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_democratic_dictatorship

Before commenting, please take the time to actually know what you are responding to.

Right back at you:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Btw, if you can't read that's between 15 - 40 million dead of starvation alone, not counting those intentionally killed for violating Mao's policies.

I said I supported a specific point of Mao's ideology.

Never did I say I supported anything more than that concept, or what he did.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Right back at you:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Btw, if you can't read that's between 15 - 40 million dead of starvation alone, not counting those intentionally killed for violating Mao's policies.

I said I supported a specific point of Mao's ideology.

Never did I say I supported anything more than that concept, or what he did.

Now what would you say if Trans had said those exact same words about a specific point of Hitlers ideology?

Also, just so you recall, you refered to Mao as "comrade"...

[Ardoki]

I said I supported a specific point of Mao's ideology.

Never did I say I supported anything more than that concept, or what he did.

Now what would you say if Trans had said those exact same words about a specific point of Hitlers ideology?

Also, just so you recall, you refered to Mao as "comrade"...

You are a nationalist I believe. Therefore you support the holocaust.

You see? I can do that as well.

I refer to them as Comrades, mainly because it amuses me.

[Vladislav Federation]

1: The Great Soviet Republic of Vladislav Federation
2: Maxim Dultsev
3: Economic development levels and projected Human Development Index, (agricultural, industrial, post-industrial, low, medium, high): High.
4: Current stage of socialism, (early, developing or mature): Developed.
5: Current military situation, and any wars which you may currently be involved in. (approximate military size and expertise, conscript, mixed or professional force): 4,000,000+ includes reserve force.
6: Current human rights situation? Give some details. : You can do whatever you want but there is no freedom of speech/expression. The government can tell you to do something anytime they want.
7: Your Current political system? (dictatorship of the proletariat/one party socialism, democratic socialism etc): One party socialism.
8: Do you agree that you have an understanding and acceptance of the rules and principles of the Commonwealth of Socialist States? Yes.
9: RP Sample, (Unless I know you, or you have been invited)
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=337030&p=24400139&sid=f837060b583c0d5a6384b913de116b28#p24400139

[Amatha]

1: Full nation name: People's Democratic Republic of Amatha
2: Representative Ambassador of applicant nation to be sent to the CSS: Dusit Suttikul
3: Economic development levels and projected Human Development Index, (agricultural, industrial, post-industrial, low, medium, high): Agricultural, low
4: Current stage of socialism, (early, developing or mature) developing
5: Current military situation, and any wars which you may currently be involved in. (approximate military size and expertise, conscript, mixed or professional force): conscripted, 386,581 on active duty, 578,194 on reserve duty and estimated ~100,000 paramilitary members
6: Current human rights situation? Give some details. extremely poor, human rights are little to none
7: Your Current political system? (dictatorship of the proletariat/one party socialism, democratic socialism etc) maoism/pol potism
8: Do you agree that you have an understanding and acceptance of the rules and principles of the Commonwealth of Socialist States? yes
9: RP Sample viewtopic.php?f=5&t=320896

[Inyourfaceistan]

Now what would you say if Trans had said those exact same words about a specific point of Hitlers ideology?

Also, just so you recall, you refered to Mao as "comrade"...

You are a nationalist I believe. Therefore you support the holocaust.

You see? I can do that as well.

I know you can; that's how this argument started:

So you support the policies of Hitler?

As Hitler was a fascist, the most prominent one as a matter of fact.

Congratulations, this argument has now done a full 360.

Would you like some sauce with that hipocrisy?

I refer to them as Comrades, mainly because it amuses me.

And what would you say if someone refered to Hitler as "Comrade"?

[Amatha]

Now what would you say if Trans had said those exact same words about a specific point of Hitlers ideology?

Also, just so you recall, you refered to Mao as "comrade"...

You are a nationalist I believe. Therefore you support the holocaust.

You see? I can do that as well.

I refer to them as Comrades, mainly because it amuses me.

i am a nationalist and a communist, do i look like i support the holocaust?

[Ardoki]

You are a nationalist I believe. Therefore you support the holocaust.

You see? I can do that as well.

I know you can; that's who this argument started:

So you support the policies of Hitler?

As Hitler was a fascist, the most prominent one as a matter of fact.

Congratulations, this argument has now done a full 360.

Would you like some sauce with that hipocrisy?

I refer to them as Comrades, mainly because it amuses me.

And what would you say if someone refered to Hitler as "Comrade"?

Hitler was not left-wing. Therefore such a title would not make any sense. It only works with leftists.