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by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:05 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Steamtopia wrote:So you support direct democracy in the face of an increasingly complicated world because.. what? It feels nice? Mob rule is too cool for school?
Direct democracy is beneficial as it ensures the politicians are accountable to the people they're claiming to represent, and the people have no whip system so they're obligated to vote a certain way.
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:06 am
Illyiah wrote:We'll likely end up with a hung Parliament and nothing will change for 5 years
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:06 am
Illyiah wrote:We'll likely end up with a hung Parliament and nothing will change for 5 years
by Arglorand » Thu May 07, 2015 3:06 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:07 am
Steamtopia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Direct democracy is beneficial as it ensures the politicians are accountable to the people they're claiming to represent, and the people have no whip system so they're obligated to vote a certain way.
Politicians are accountable, that's what elections are for. Letting people vote directly on policy is not making politicians accountable. It's letting the majority rule over the minority no matter how smart of a decision they make. I want a smart government that benefits everyone even if they're unpopular, not the entire country voting on what to do every other day.
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:07 am
Arglorand wrote:The magical and most important number in this election is 59.
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:08 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Steamtopia wrote:Politicians are accountable, that's what elections are for. Letting people vote directly on policy is not making politicians accountable. It's letting the majority rule over the minority no matter how smart of a decision they make. I want a smart government that benefits everyone even if they're unpopular, not the entire country voting on what to do every other day.
So you'd prefer the SNP supporting a government then? They shouldn't even be allowed to vote on English laws.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:08 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:09 am
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:10 am
by Purger » Thu May 07, 2015 3:11 am
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:12 am
Purger wrote:Steamtopia wrote:The Tories won't win, so it's not even a question worth asking.
Polls shows something else. They will be tied with the Labours and even most polls are usually biased in favour of left-wing parties across Europe.
But let say C. somehow manages to form a coalition government there must than be a referendum as he promised so.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:14 am
Steamtopia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:You're arguing for the 'sensible' government making decisions. The government won't be sensible.
I'm not arguing for any specific government. I'm arguing for government as a concept. MP's actually have the time and resources to research before deciding on policy. People do not.
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:15 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Steamtopia wrote:I'm not arguing for any specific government. I'm arguing for government as a concept. MP's actually have the time and resources to research before deciding on policy. People do not.
They don't need to consider it very well, because they are a very large group of people. The very large group of people are far more qualified than 650 people usually from very similar backgrounds.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:15 am
Steamtopia wrote:Purger wrote:Polls shows something else. They will be tied with the Labours and even most polls are usually biased in favour of left-wing parties across Europe.
But let say C. somehow manages to form a coalition government there must than be a referendum as he promised so.
Polls aren't biased in favour of left-wing parties (not that Labour is left-wing anymore anyway). Tories being tied means they have nobody to coalition with. Who will join them in government, exactly? The SNP? Get real.
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:16 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Steamtopia wrote:Polls aren't biased in favour of left-wing parties (not that Labour is left-wing anymore anyway). Tories being tied means they have nobody to coalition with. Who will join them in government, exactly? The SNP? Get real.
Hopefully both Labour and the Tories won't work with the SNP, and we'll have another election this year.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:16 am
Steamtopia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:They don't need to consider it very well, because they are a very large group of people. The very large group of people are far more qualified than 650 people usually from very similar backgrounds.
What? Since when do large groups automatically make good decisions? What kind of nonsense is this?
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:17 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:17 am
Steamtopia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Hopefully both Labour and the Tories won't work with the SNP, and we'll have another election this year.
Labour can still form a coalition without the SNP. Now, if the Lib Dems and the SNP refuse to sign any deal with Labour, that's when we'll see another election.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:18 am
Steamtopia wrote:Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It's why we have elections in the first place, so the people can choose a candidate. Instead, the people should choose a large amount of the laws.
We have elections because there's no other method of transferring power peacefully. Policy-making is not power transferal.
by Steamtopia » Thu May 07, 2015 3:18 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Steamtopia wrote:Labour can still form a coalition without the SNP. Now, if the Lib Dems and the SNP refuse to sign any deal with Labour, that's when we'll see another election.
The Lib Dems will probably form a coalition with anyone, if Clegg is in charge, especially with the large amount of leftwing lib dems that left.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 07, 2015 3:19 am
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