Southern Bellz wrote:Maybe we shouldn't need an IT degree to understand basic recruitment rules???
There's no doubt that the person responsible knew what they were doing. If you're writing a script, you are smart enough to understand the API rules:
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by [violet] » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:45 pm
Southern Bellz wrote:Maybe we shouldn't need an IT degree to understand basic recruitment rules???
by [violet] » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:51 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:It should be assumed that Bob Moran's script did not exist and that the LKE's legal script would have operated as it previously did - meaning that the LKE's population would be at 300-350 nations. It is only fair to the LKE to discount all the effects of Bob Moran's script - if we are talking about correcting the population to remove the effects which benefited us, then the effects that prevented our legal script working should also be considered.
by Almonaster Nuevo » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:53 pm
Shadoke wrote:I think the best way to resolve this from happening again is to create a page that show's something along these lines:
Sender Type Amount Sent Recruitment Rate Guy 1 API 23 .03% Guy 2 Stamps 1000 .05% Guy 3 Manual, Stamps 133, 3500 .08%, .05% Guy 4 API 12 .04%
This should be shown to Executive Delegates and Founder, and possibly Recruitment Officers. Now, in the case of LKE, this could show
Bob Moran Manual 3200 0.13%
This could show that he did it, and be more visible that he did.
Almonaster wrote:
- Recruitment scripts:
Presumably at some point the game code is 'aware' that nation x has sent a recruitment TG for region y. Would it be possible to keep a count of these cases, and provide a page per region which reports daily counts of who has sent out how many such TGs? That would then allow others in the region to monitor what was going on, and report any problems to the mods themselves. That in turn would make regional responsibility for recruitment violations much more reasonable.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:54 pm
[violet] wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:It should be assumed that Bob Moran's script did not exist and that the LKE's legal script would have operated as it previously did - meaning that the LKE's population would be at 300-350 nations. It is only fair to the LKE to discount all the effects of Bob Moran's script - if we are talking about correcting the population to remove the effects which benefited us, then the effects that prevented our legal script working should also be considered.
I'm not going to take a position on that, but I will point out that it's highly arguable. You're saying the region should be credited for something it didn't actually do.
by [violet] » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:02 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:If we are going to remove some effects of Bob Moran's illegal activity, why only the ones that advantaged the LKE? All should be factored in.
by Onderkelkia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:05 pm
[violet] wrote:Onderkelkia wrote:If we are going to remove some effects of Bob Moran's illegal activity, why only the ones that advantaged the LKE? All should be factored in.
I partly agree; if I didn't, LKE's penalty would be harsher. I'm just saying it's a little like arguing that if you hadn't been stealing that TV, you would have been handing out soup at the homeless shelter. It may well be true, but the reality is you did one and not the other.
by The Republic of Lanos » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:11 pm
by Onderkelkia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:18 pm
The Republic of Lanos wrote:But Bob did the recruiting, albeit illegally and not to your knowledge, with LKE's official blessing. Isn't there something about a college's athletic program being held responsible even if it didn't know its football team was doing illegal recruiting and should have tried to keep institutional control?
Which, ironically, is the best descriptor in this affair: lack of institutional control.
There were no reasonable grounds for the LKE to conclude that Bob Moran had been involved in wrongdoing at that point.Josh Sebastian wrote:The Imperial Government of The Land of Kings and Emperors did not authorize Bob Moran to use any script/recruitment program, nor had we any knowledge that he had access to such tools. Bob Moran was made Interior Minister in early March of this year in recognition of the valuable input he made during our community forum restructuring; the review of our recruitment and integration telegrams, and his supposedly manual recruitment efforts. He was a friendly member of the community, always on the look out to help our newer members, and suggest ideas for the betterment of our community. Which is why, his involvement in these is a great shock and dismay to us all.
by Aelbarrow » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:39 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven » Fri May 01, 2015 12:01 am
by Akillian » Fri May 01, 2015 3:48 am
by Trick Shot » Fri May 01, 2015 5:13 am
Marelius wrote:You got Festavo'd
Revall wrote:Festavo is an off his rocker cowboy capable of anything at the drop of a hat
Nuke wrote:But can you really be more dangerous than Festavo? Now that guy is a real fucking OG.
Valrifell wrote:God dammit Fest, you think too much!
by Voltrovia » Fri May 01, 2015 5:36 am
Trick Shot wrote:Maybe a compromise could be 1 month ban from recruiting with a 2 month probation of no API recruiting? Then maybe we can appease both parties in some way?
by Akillian » Fri May 01, 2015 5:55 am
by Ambroscus Koth » Fri May 01, 2015 6:22 am
Akillian wrote:What is to stop other people doing this illegal action in other regions just to damage the whole region. If people know the whole region has to suffer, this could easily be turned into a way to harm regions.
by Land filled with People » Fri May 01, 2015 6:26 am
Akillian wrote:So a whole community of people are punished and must suffer because of the actions of one person. No-one knew about Bob Morans actions yet they are punished for it. What is to stop other people doing this illegal action in other regions just to damage the whole region. If people know the whole region has to suffer, this could easily be turned into a way to harm regions.
by Onderkelkia » Fri May 01, 2015 6:34 am
Ambroscus Koth wrote:Akillian wrote:What is to stop other people doing this illegal action in other regions just to damage the whole region. If people know the whole region has to suffer, this could easily be turned into a way to harm regions.
Did you forget the part where Bob got declared DoS for this? I'd say that's a pretty huge deterrent for folks thinking they can weaponize this.
Land filled with People wrote:If Bob was harming the LKE, he did it in a strange way. He got you several hundred new recruits, whilst (due to past precendent) not realising that LKE and TBR would be banned from recruiting. That sounds more like someone helping than hindering.
by Aelbarrow » Fri May 01, 2015 7:01 am
Our population at the beginning of the term stood at around 524 nations.
Thousands of handsent telegrams and 20 days later, we now stand at 707 nations.
This high figure was achieved through hard work and thanks to favorable circumstances. Indeed the overall NS population has been smashing all records and stands today at 144,176 nations.
We can be proud of this, we must aspire to maintain ourselves at this level.
Late March, at the time of the previous report, our population was in the low 700's.
Since then we have surpassed our all time population record, all the way up to 740.
However, the NS population boom has stabilized, resulting in a net loss of about 4000 nations since the last report. This did not prevent the LKE population to remain strong at around 720 nations.
I don't expect this figure to change much for the rest of the term. Spring is generally an active time for Nationstates.
Roughly 10 days ago, at the time of our last report the LKE was host of around 720 nations while the NS population stood at around 140k nations.
Since then, the LKE has reached once more its peak of late march when it rose all the way to 740, standing at the time of this report at 742 nations, despite the fact that the overall NS population has decreased by 3000 nations, to around 141k.
This is indeed an extraordinary achievement for a region that has never used Stamps. Among the largest regions, Only 10000 Islands boasts similar results.
Our Delegate has also received 90 endorsements, while the Imperial Army has 20 Units deployed at the moment, for a potential overall voting power of 110 for our Delegate.
Here are the Top 20 regions and their population:
1.The North Pacific 6,802
2.The South Pacific 6,116
3.The West Pacific 6,136
4.The Pacific6,082
5.The East Pacific5,888
6.Lazarus 4,562
7.Balder 4,033
8.Osiris 4,006
9.The Rejected Realms 3,266
10.Nugut 1,550
11.10000 Islands1,572
12.The Communist Bloc1,121
13.Europeia1,001
14.The Black Riders 845
15.The Americas 800
16.Pacific Union 799
17.The Land of Kings and Emperors 738
18.Union of Confederate Regions 518
19.Albion 479
20.NationStates 482
by Trick Shot » Fri May 01, 2015 10:08 am
Voltrovia wrote:Trick Shot wrote:Maybe a compromise could be 1 month ban from recruiting with a 2 month probation of no API recruiting? Then maybe we can appease both parties in some way?
No. This is a punishment put in place following an extreme and concerted violation of website rules. Although some may believe that the LKE should not be subjected to this punishment, so long as they are it should not be watered down. Indeed, it should not be removed either. The Mods have ruled on this issue and their word is final. A token penalty would be entirely unacceptable - the ruling, in my humble opinion, should stand.
Marelius wrote:You got Festavo'd
Revall wrote:Festavo is an off his rocker cowboy capable of anything at the drop of a hat
Nuke wrote:But can you really be more dangerous than Festavo? Now that guy is a real fucking OG.
Valrifell wrote:God dammit Fest, you think too much!
by Land filled with People » Fri May 01, 2015 6:40 pm
Aelbarrow wrote:I would also like to point out that the population figures of the LKE currently are not unheard of if you look at the history of the LKE. during the early to mid 2013, there was a similar spike in population figures to about 730 as shown by the following graph,
by Onderkelkia » Sat May 02, 2015 2:52 am
Land filled with People wrote:Aelbarrow wrote:I would also like to point out that the population figures of the LKE currently are not unheard of if you look at the history of the LKE. during the early to mid 2013, there was a similar spike in population figures to about 730 as shown by the following graph,
The 2013 population peak, the only peak that has a slope as steep, and for as long as the recent peak, was when scripted TGs were made legal. That graph really is not helping your case here.
by Aelbarrow » Mon May 04, 2015 2:49 pm
by Valrifell » Mon May 04, 2015 3:45 pm
Aelbarrow wrote:I would like to note that since April 27th, when this was enacted, the population of the LKE has fallen by 57 nations to 663 nations. at this rate the LKE will lose a total of 684 nations....
by Onderkelkia » Mon May 04, 2015 4:17 pm
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