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by The Republic of Llamas » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:14 pm
by Consular » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:11 pm
The Republic of Llamas wrote:The funniest part about the NPO's "Damage Control," as you put it quite well, is what it's doing in TWP. Vlagh was likely one of the least active TWPers I'd seen, yet all of a sudden he becomes active in politics this week, casts a vote for an ex-NPO Regent as opposed to someone supporting the extension of voting rights outside the small oligarchy on our forums (Gee, wonder why), and begins posting about how the Pacific as a whole had nothing to do with this coup (We're supposed to believe that it was all Feux and a couple other rogue members, somehow). The most curious thing? This all only happens after the idea to close embassies with them comes up.
And yet, it's as if a lot of people are too terrified of offending our players who are also in the NPO to actually openly criticize the actions of TP's government. :/
by Lazmac » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:22 pm
Consular wrote:That's not the entire truth of the situation, but thanks for mischaracterizing TWP's reaction.
by That Called the Vlagh » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:12 pm
by Lazmac » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:19 pm
That Called the Vlagh wrote:Actually, that is completely untrue. I was absent for a couple of weeks (which was planned for and announced publicly in TWP) and returned to a pissing match between Llamas and Elegarth over the government elections. Llamas has repeatedly shown that he is ill-equipped for the role in which he is seeking (and consequently winning) election and has behaved quite irrationally over the entire situation. This post here just outlines how delusional he is. I have taken part in many discussions in TWP outside of this recent conflict and would speak against the closure of embassies with any treaties ally.
by Pierconium » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:28 pm
Lazmac wrote:That Called the Vlagh wrote:Actually, that is completely untrue. I was absent for a couple of weeks (which was planned for and announced publicly in TWP) and returned to a pissing match between Llamas and Elegarth over the government elections. Llamas has repeatedly shown that he is ill-equipped for the role in which he is seeking (and consequently winning) election and has behaved quite irrationally over the entire situation. This post here just outlines how delusional he is. I have taken part in many discussions in TWP outside of this recent conflict and would speak against the closure of embassies with any treaties ally.
Hearing from you that someone is ill-equipped for leadership of a Feeder or Sinker is almost a ringing endorsement at this point, Senator Pierconium. When in doubt, do the opposite of what the Regent of the New Pacific Order is telling you to do.
by Lazmac » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:02 am
Pierconium wrote:Yes, I guess you are correct, because having a steadfast loyalty and the ability to create foundations that have withstood the test of time in the face of great diversity is obviously not the way to go. Maybe I should start being wishy-washy with my convictions or harp on about trivialities until someone comes along and points out that I am blatantly wrong and ignorant or just be such a failure that underground movements ask me not to take part because I am such an embarrassment? Nah, I like my way better. There are already too many Cormacs in this world.
by Pierconium » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:06 am
Lazmac wrote:Pierconium wrote:Yes, I guess you are correct, because having a steadfast loyalty and the ability to create foundations that have withstood the test of time in the face of great diversity is obviously not the way to go. Maybe I should start being wishy-washy with my convictions or harp on about trivialities until someone comes along and points out that I am blatantly wrong and ignorant or just be such a failure that underground movements ask me not to take part because I am such an embarrassment? Nah, I like my way better. There are already too many Cormacs in this world.
Nobody asked me not to take part except Milograd, who was, last I checked, not a participant in the underground movement. I did take part in the underground movement, and it won -- and you lost.
I'm glad you still have your petty insults to cling to and trivialities to harp on, though. How nice for you.
by Lazmac » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:10 am
Pierconium wrote:If you say so. I was just going by your own posting where you state that your involvement was hurting the cause. Of course, if that triviality is the only part of my post that concerns you and not the loyalty issues then I guess my point still stands.
Did the NPO 'lose' in Lazarus? Most assuredly. Does that mean The Pacific is ready to lay down and die? Not quite.
by Pierconium » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:21 am
Lazmac wrote:Pierconium wrote:If you say so. I was just going by your own posting where you state that your involvement was hurting the cause. Of course, if that triviality is the only part of my post that concerns you and not the loyalty issues then I guess my point still stands.
Did the NPO 'lose' in Lazarus? Most assuredly. Does that mean The Pacific is ready to lay down and die? Not quite.
Your concerns about my loyalties don't concern me, no. Feux, Stujenske, Milograd -- all disloyal to Lazarus, all your comrades. The NPO itself was disloyal to Lazarus, a treaty ally that you pledged to protect but instead invaded and occupied. Maybe I need a lecture on loyalty, Senator, but I don't need it from the NPO.
Regarding lying down and dying, I thought that was what the NPO did best between coups.
by Lazmac » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:31 am
Pierconium wrote:Actually, outside of a brief forum exchange after the fact, I have never spoken with Stujenske. Milograd has been out of the Pacific Senate for some time. Their actions in Lazarus are inconsequential to me or the NPO from a political standpoint, even if I have some opinions on them.
I have no concerns about your loyalties, just pointing out that they seem somewhat fluid historically. Not exactly the trait of a great leader.
by Pierconium » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:46 am
Lazmac wrote:Pierconium wrote:Actually, outside of a brief forum exchange after the fact, I have never spoken with Stujenske. Milograd has been out of the Pacific Senate for some time. Their actions in Lazarus are inconsequential to me or the NPO from a political standpoint, even if I have some opinions on them.
I have no concerns about your loyalties, just pointing out that they seem somewhat fluid historically. Not exactly the trait of a great leader.
We really don't want to go down the path of historically fluid loyalties. My questionable actions are just fresher in everyone's minds and pinned to one persona, whereas you hide your disloyalty behind fraudulent duality and the passage of time. But those here long enough to remember or those who have done some reading will know about your betrayal of the Alliance Defense Network, your coup against The North Pacific, and your mass purge of The Pacific, among other things.
Anyway, as much as I enjoy this banter I do have better things to do than harp on about trivialities with you. Good luck to the NPO in its whitewashing endeavor, and with the Security Council resolution currently at vote. Goodnight, Senator.
by Zaolat » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:29 am
Lazmac wrote:That Called the Vlagh wrote:Actually, that is completely untrue. I was absent for a couple of weeks (which was planned for and announced publicly in TWP) and returned to a pissing match between Llamas and Elegarth over the government elections. Llamas has repeatedly shown that he is ill-equipped for the role in which he is seeking (and consequently winning) election and has behaved quite irrationally over the entire situation. This post here just outlines how delusional he is. I have taken part in many discussions in TWP outside of this recent conflict and would speak against the closure of embassies with any treaties ally.
Hearing from you that someone is ill-equipped for leadership of a Feeder or Sinker is almost a ringing endorsement at this point, Senator Pierconium. When in doubt, do the opposite of what the Regent of the New Pacific Order is telling you to do.
by Wickedly evil people » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:32 am
The Republic of Llamas wrote:The funniest part about the NPO's "Damage Control," as you put it quite well, is what it's doing in TWP. Vlagh was likely one of the least active TWPers I'd seen, yet all of a sudden he becomes active in politics this week, casts a vote for an ex-NPO Regent as opposed to someone supporting the extension of voting rights outside the small oligarchy on our forums (Gee, wonder why), and begins posting about how the Pacific as a whole had nothing to do with this coup (We're supposed to believe that it was all Feux and a couple other rogue members, somehow). The most curious thing? This all only happens after the idea to close embassies with them comes up.
And yet, it's as if a lot of people are too terrified of offending our players who are also in the NPO to actually openly criticize the actions of TP's government. :/
by Darkesia » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:54 am
by Mediobogdum » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:24 am
Darkesia wrote:How can anyone have so little political acumen. *facepalms*. Why would you do this? You had the election won, you.... gah!
by The Republic of Llamas » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:45 pm
by Lazmac » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:48 pm
Darkesia wrote:Wow. What a flaming eff-up. How can anyone have so little political acumen.
Guess who was brought to our region, just like he was brought to Lazarus? Milo brought him. Perhaps it's time to consider his incredible ineptitude is the necessary precursor to people running to the NPO for capable leaders.
by Ikania » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:32 pm
Darkesia wrote:Wow. What a flaming eff-up. How can anyone have so little political acumen.
Guess who was brought to our region, just like he was brought to Lazarus? Milo brought him. Perhaps it's time to consider his incredible ineptitude is the necessary precursor to people running to the NPO for capable leaders.
You have over stayed your welcome, Llamas.
*facepalms*. Why would you do this? You had the election won, you.... gah!
I'm done. You can't fix [word the mods will warn me for]
by RiderSyl » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:34 pm
by The Republic of Llamas » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:02 pm
The Republic of Llamas wrote:And yet, it's as if a lot of people are too terrified of offending our players who are also in the NPO to actually openly criticize the actions of TP's government. :/
by Ikania » Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:04 pm
The Republic of Llamas wrote:The Republic of Llamas wrote:And yet, it's as if a lot of people are too terrified of offending our players who are also in the NPO to actually openly criticize the actions of TP's government. :/
I will admit that this part of my rant/post went perhaps a bit too far. I was projecting a bit. I myself was afraid to oppose the NPO for quite a while, and I let that taint my vision of others to the point where I said something that might be seen as offensive to members of TWP, despite the fact that this was never my intention. My intention was to make it absolutely clear what the NPO is doing to us. I stand by everything else I said in that post. The NPO is the most inefficient, inactive, and all-around worst regime in all the GCRs. The idea that they are currently infiltrating us makes me shudder.
by RiderSyl » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:14 pm
Ikania wrote:The Republic of Llamas wrote:I will admit that this part of my rant/post went perhaps a bit too far. I was projecting a bit. I myself was afraid to oppose the NPO for quite a while, and I let that taint my vision of others to the point where I said something that might be seen as offensive to members of TWP, despite the fact that this was never my intention. My intention was to make it absolutely clear what the NPO is doing to us. I stand by everything else I said in that post. The NPO is the most inefficient, inactive, and all-around worst regime in all the GCRs. The idea that they are currently infiltrating us makes me shudder.
You're being lynch mobbed on the TWP forums for pointing stuff out. Talk about an overreaction.
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