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by Of the Quendi » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:01 am
by Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:02 am
Diliath wrote:That's reasonable but keep it realistic as you will encounter a lot of trouble anyway. In fact do we need a player to control the Tiger triarch so there would be a balance.
by Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:05 am
by Diliath » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:08 am
Arana wrote:Quendi, you used my map!
by Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:11 am
Diliath wrote:Arana wrote:Quendi, you used my map!
Just a qminor uestion about it, why is there a grey gap inside the Ghiscari Empire?Aelex wrote:Actually, I would love if someone played as a tiger! It would make everything more exciting!
It won't be me, at the moment at least, as I have two factions to play in this RP already but it would be nice if anyone coud be found to play another triarch.
by Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:13 am
by Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:15 am
by Liecthenbourg » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:17 am
by Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:21 am
by New Granadeseret » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:12 pm
by Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:23 pm
New Granadeseret wrote:@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.
I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.
(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)
by New Granadeseret » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:29 pm
Arana wrote:New Granadeseret wrote:@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.
I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.
(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)
I thought I gave the reason... he intends on using this alliance for the opportunity to raid, burn, and loot the Reach, possibly the Westerlands as well, before going back to raiding the Lhazareen and the Free Cities. The reason people are staying with him is because of A) his mother, B) his dragons, and C) the promise of an entirely new continent on which to pillage, burn, loot, and kidnap people.
by Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:32 pm
New Granadeseret wrote:Arana wrote:I thought I gave the reason... he intends on using this alliance for the opportunity to raid, burn, and loot the Reach, possibly the Westerlands as well, before going back to raiding the Lhazareen and the Free Cities. The reason people are staying with him is because of A) his mother, B) his dragons, and C) the promise of an entirely new continent on which to pillage, burn, loot, and kidnap people.
... and considering Viserys is the biggest threat to Aemon's rule, does he really think that's whats going to happen. The man who's empire he's been raiding and warring with for decades and has single-handedly almost destroyed the Dothraki way of life in the east of the sea, and who's ships and men you'd be entirely surrounded by and be at the mercy of, and who has every reason to want you dead... that's who he's going to trust? Surely, a man who's as skilled and experienced as he would know how hopelessly naïve that is.
Also, whole new continent... you do remember the whole "Don't go near water your horse can't drink" thing that permeates the whole of Dothraki culture? Convincing a few stragglers with no other choice is one thing, but a whole Khalsar?
by Nuxipal » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:57 pm
Nuxipal wrote:NS Nation Name: Nuxipal
House Name: House Bloodfyre
Leader: Ixidor Bloodfyre
Lands: None
Overlord, if any: None
Coat of Arms:(Image)
NS Nation Name: Nuxipal
Character Name: Ixidor Bloodfyre
Title(s): Captain, Freeholder, Prince of Telyria(reference to his father's semi-successful attempts to recolonize the city of Telyria)
Age: 24
Gender: Male
House Allegiance: None
Appearance:(Image)
Biography (At least 2 well written paragraphs): [spoiler]House Bloodfyre survived the Doom by its sub-branch on the island of Elyria. From there the family was able to prosper on the slave trade in and out of Slaver's Bay. When the Dragon Queen arrived in the region there was debate on whether to join her or defeat her. The Bloodfyre family never made a choice and when she left the region to claim Westeros the power vacuum she left in her wake allotted them the opportunity to gain more wealth. The family wealth continued to grow to the point that Ixidor's father planned to try and recolonize parts of other Valyrian freeholds, particularly Telyria near Volantis.
When she departed the region, her rule over the Ghiscari remained. However, with the slave trade effectively broken Elyrian families had to change their ways to gain wealth. The Bloodfyre family became known for their merchant fleets and the high quality armors they produced. Ixidor was born during the time when his father was sending men and ships to try and determine if Telyria could be saved from its ruinous state. Ixidor was the fourth son of the Lord of Elyria and born from his second wife. He has been haunted by dragon dreams throughout his life. With great ambition Ixidor, at age 17, gathered his resources together for an expedition to Valyria. While there he found his own Valyrian Steel Sword "Dragon's Blood" so named for the dragon head on the hilt. He is said to have also gained another possession while he was in Valyria. The expedition however cost him dearly. His best friend was killed when a Kraken attacked his ship. His sister, destined to be his wife, also died when she accompanied him on the journey.
Now, lacking any close friends in Elyria to keep him planted there, and no hopes of gaining his family lands and titles, he set sail with his expeditionary band to Westeros. Many of them refused to go and were simply replaced. Others chose to go because their own funds had run dry since their last raid into Valyria. There they recovered a Westerosi Treasure that many believe to have been lost to the Doom.
Any Additional Information: Leads the Bloodfyre Company, a semi-mercenary band consisting of 30 ships, their crews, and 1500 fighting men.
NS Nation Name: Nuxipal
Faction Name: Bloodfyre Company
Faction Type: (city-state/sellsword company/pirate/khalasar/etc.): Sellsword Company/Private Enterprise
Leader(s): Ixidor Bloodfyre
Territory (if applicable): None
Overlord, if any: None
Coat of Arms: -See Bloodfyre Sigil-
by Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:09 pm
Krugmar wrote:Also another thing to take into consideration is that there are two other triarchs who have been elected, and considering that your character hates the aristocracy, it seems that they will hate your character and veto any of his motions.
by Yaana Noore » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:28 pm
by Of the Quendi » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:01 pm
Diliath wrote:Just a qminor uestion about it, why is there a grey gap inside the Ghiscari Empire?
Liecthenbourg wrote:-snip-
Aelex wrote:So. Who would want to apply for being the second triarch? Because it's quite true that Volantis is way too powerful to be on the hands of one only man.
New Granadeseret wrote:@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.
I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.
(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)
Nuxipal wrote:-snip-
Yaana Noore wrote:What is currently happening with the Night's Watch? Was hoping to play a character on the Wall.
by Yaana Noore » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:27 pm
by Krugmar » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:31 pm
by Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:34 pm
Of the Quendi wrote:It would be awesome to have three different players RP'ing competing factions of Volantis but I doubt its happening. It isn't a big problem to have one player control Volantis though. Its fleets may be stronger then anyone else's except Braavos but its army is weak depending on sellswords so that balances it out.
by Nuxipal » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:35 pm
by Blackledge » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:22 pm
Of the Quendi wrote:I am not even sure what to write anymore, we are getting nowhere with this.
by The Nuclear Fist » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:40 am
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Of the Quendi » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:46 am
Diliath wrote:I was thinking about making the Stormcrows a 1100 men big. On their current mission, however, will they also been aided by 500 soldiers in the service of lady Saerella. Is this fine with all?
Aelex wrote:I do have to agree that it would be freaking cool!
Still, I saw a lot of remarks against my app which I all answered with rather plausible arguments (or at least I hope so); but I don't want the R.P to start on an unfinished debate.
So, I guess I'll just do as you and, if you don't mind, put an ultimatum of 24 hours to finish to debate about it. After that, the whole "Is a third-way populalist Triarch is plausible" I'll considered to be settled for the rest of the R.P.
Is it ok for you?
The Nuclear Fist wrote:So I'm trying to write character proflies for Kennos, Russal, and Arya Clegane, but it's a bit difficult since I can't really gleam dates off of the OP.
When did the War of the Five Kings end?
How many years were in between the War and the Tyrell Rebellion?
When did the Tyrell Rebellion end?
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