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Of the Quendi
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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:01 am

I am not even sure what to write anymore, we are getting nowhere with this. I suppose I could simply state how I concluded the population of the Ghiscari Empire and leave it at that:

The Ghiscari Empire is a country about half the size of the Seven Kingdoms (as far as I can tell, I haven't counted the pixels on the map). If we go by the classic approximation of equating the Seven Kingdoms with South America (which seems accurate with the Wall being 300 miles long) then the Ghiscari Empire covers approximately eight million square kilometers. Thats quite a bit of land, more then the Roman Empire ever ruled. With even tiny population densities an empire of that size can sustain millions of lives. Much of the lands of the empire (but by no means all) isn't well suited for agriculture so the population density shouldn't be high. I have been leaning towards 3/km2. Thats by no means a high number.

Another way to calculate just the population of the regions we know a lot about could be guesstimating the population of the cities we know enough about to make assessments about their population and then extrapolating the countryside population by picking a sensible urbanization rate. Using this and other Forum of Ice and Fire city population threads I decided to assess the populations of Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen at 1,200,000 combined. With an urbanization rate of 10 % (which I will concede after listening to the discussion is perhaps a bit high for a region like Slaver's Bay) thats 12,000,000. Plague and Daenerys's war in 300-305 would obviously have reduced that quite a bit with the region gradually entering a period of recovery from 318 and onward.

As for the monetary non-agrarian wealth of the empire it would be relatively limited, focusing on the copper and salt mines, the wool production and the trade tariffs and the GDP per capita would not be comparable to the Westerlands, the Arbor, Oldtown or other wealthy parts of the Seven Kingdoms.

With regard to the embargo its a fair point that medieval naval technology and organization doesn't allow a blockade of modern efficiency. But I don't see what should stop me from sending out ships regularly to patrol a very particular section of the sea and intercept any merchantmen sailing close by New Ghis (and those not sailing close by New Ghis are sailing close by the Basilisk Isles, thats not a viable alternative). Regarding the tariff in question I must admit I am baffled if 10 % is fine and 20 % is WAR! WAR! WAR! As I said before the 20 % was an example. The actual tariff will be flexible. Enemies of the Targaryen Dynasty will essentially be robbed blind, friends will pay a symbolic fee or nothing at all. Countries that are neither will pay enough to make sure the Empire turns a tidy profit but not nearly enough to make dropping the eastern trade or going to war a profitable choice.

Regarding the alliance between Aemon and Viserys I was myself blindsided by it. I don't know what to say, I didn't design it, I just agreed to it. I will say however that if Aemon and Viserys ever land in the Seven Kingdoms I wouldn't be at all surprised if the alliance eventually breaks down. But if we cancel the alliance because people don't like it (which btw is a criteria I would never even consider to demanding the annulment of anyone else's alliances) then whats the theme of this RP? The whole point is that we eventually want to build up to a showdown between the East and the West, that isn't likely to happen if Aemon and Viserys aren't on the same page, unless the Tyrell-Lannister Alliance is preparing to invade the Ghiscari Empire.

Regarding the dragons Aemon has three. But last I checked Aemon wasn't multiple people. He is the rider of Rhaegal and can only lead Rhaegal into battle. Whether he has two or twenty in reserve is irrelevant when they don't have riders. If anything that just means a lot of trouble trying to keep them under control.

Anyway that I think was what I had to say on the topic. I hope you appreciate it, its the reason you won't get an IC post today. Further arguing about the demographics, economics, politics and military of the Ghiscari Empire will either contain a clear counter proposal to what I have just written or be disregarded. Twenty four hours from know the debate on the Ghiscari Empire (the Aemon-Viserys Alliance and the dragon situation is still game) will be entirely closed unless I deem something sufficiently relevant and new to warrant an extension of the debate. Either that or within that twenty four hour span we pick a new OP.

On a more cheery note, I have added four maps to the third page of the OP. If anyone knows any good ones we can use let me know.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:02 am

Diliath wrote:That's reasonable but keep it realistic as you will encounter a lot of trouble anyway. In fact do we need a player to control the Tiger triarch so there would be a balance.

Actually, I would love if someone played as a tiger! It would make everything more exciting!
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Postby Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:05 am

Quendi, you used my map! :hug:
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Postby Diliath » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:08 am

Arana wrote:Quendi, you used my map! :hug:


Just a qminor uestion about it, why is there a grey gap inside the Ghiscari Empire?

Aelex wrote:
Diliath wrote:That's reasonable but keep it realistic as you will encounter a lot of trouble anyway. In fact do we need a player to control the Tiger triarch so there would be a balance.

Actually, I would love if someone played as a tiger! It would make everything more exciting!


It won't be me, at the moment at least, as I have two factions to play in this RP already but it would be nice if anyone coud be found to play another triarch.

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Postby Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:11 am

Diliath wrote:
Arana wrote:Quendi, you used my map! :hug:


Just a qminor uestion about it, why is there a grey gap inside the Ghiscari Empire?

Aelex wrote:Actually, I would love if someone played as a tiger! It would make everything more exciting!


It won't be me, at the moment at least, as I have two factions to play in this RP already but it would be nice if anyone coud be found to play another triarch.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:13 am

Arana wrote:
Diliath wrote:
Just a qminor uestion about it, why is there a grey gap inside the Ghiscari Empire?



It won't be me, at the moment at least, as I have two factions to play in this RP already but it would be nice if anyone coud be found to play another triarch.

Ruins.



Yup. Because that's the CK2 Westeros map.
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Postby Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:15 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Arana wrote:Ruins.



Yup. Because that's the CK2 Westeros map.

Based off it, yeah.
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:17 am

NS Nation Name: Liecthenbourg
House Name: House Redwyne.
Leader: Horas Redwyne, Lord of the Arbor.
Lands: The Arbor
Overlord, if any: Lord Loras of House Tyrell.
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NS Nation Name: Liecthenbourg.
Character Name: Horas Redwyne.
Title(s): Lord of the Arbor, Grand Admiral, Master of Ships (If possible),
Age: 44.
Gender: Male
House Allegiance: The Tyrells, Iron Throne, all that jazz.
Appearance: Horas is homely, freckled and of red hair. He is of a tall build and thin, much like his now deceased father. However, he is a bit larger of build and still practices daily with sword, shield, bow and lance.
Biography:

Horas Redwyne has seen much of the recent history of Westeros with his own eyes. He was present in the tourney of King Landing prior to the death of King Robert I, only to be kept as a hostage. Trapped within King's Landing with his brother, Hobber, during the War of Five Kings the threat of his execution kept his powerful father from committing his fleet to the Forces of Mace Tyrell and Renly Baratheon. Hobber was sent to Paxter Redwyne in a gesture of goodwill, but Horas remained and was even attacked during the riot of King's Landing, where he saved the life of Tanda Stokeworth.

When his father and Mace Tyrell knelt before Tommen and began the formidable Lannister-Tyrell alliance, Horas remained in King's Landing as an attendant to Margaery Tyrell and because of his wounds. Here he was imprisoned by Cersei Lannister on the grounds of him sleeping with the Queen, though he had not done such a thing. To remove the wrath of Paxter Redwyne and his fleet, Cersei dropped the claims and Horas left to the Arbor for good, to avoid being caught up in the politics of King's Landing. Because of this he avoided Stannis' invasion of King's Landing and was able to help lead his father's fleet into the naval engagements he saw necessary for the Reach, particularly the counter-attack against the Iron Born and their fleet.

Unfortunately, Paxter Redwyne fell ill due to a combination of the high seas, his age and the cooling climate due to the arrival of Winter. Having to keep to bed Horas begun his official regency of the House of Redwyne, becoming Lord after his father's eventual passing three years later. He remained relatively content for the rest of the time until the Tyrell Coup in 318 AL, where as a loyal bannerman he sent forth his fleet to do... something. He did this as a show of arms, not really to accomplish anything strategically. It's quite funnily enough still a matter of discussion amongst Horas and the other Lords. Horas himself married the legitimised Obella Martell in 308 AC, as a method of a truce between the Reach and Dorne. Their marriage has been calm at best, but they still see themselves as husband and wife. They have three children, an eldest son named Oberyn (Aged 18), a daughter named "Olenna" (Aged 13) and a young son named "Paxter" (Aged 12).

Any Additional Information: For the sake of the RP, and since they have never been canonly revealed, I will be using "Ripe for Victory" as the words of House Redwyne. The marriage of Obella and Horas has been discussed between Lunas and I.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:21 am

So. Who would want to apply for being the second triarch? Because it's quite true that Volantis is way too powerful to be on the hands of one only man.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:12 pm

@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.

I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.

(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)
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Postby Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:23 pm

New Granadeseret wrote:@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.

I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.

(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)

I thought I gave the reason... he intends on using this alliance for the opportunity to raid, burn, and loot the Reach, possibly the Westerlands as well, before going back to raiding the Lhazareen and the Free Cities. The reason people are staying with him is because of A) his mother, B) his dragons, and C) the promise of an entirely new continent on which to pillage, burn, loot, and kidnap people.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:29 pm

Arana wrote:
New Granadeseret wrote:@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.

I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.

(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)

I thought I gave the reason... he intends on using this alliance for the opportunity to raid, burn, and loot the Reach, possibly the Westerlands as well, before going back to raiding the Lhazareen and the Free Cities. The reason people are staying with him is because of A) his mother, B) his dragons, and C) the promise of an entirely new continent on which to pillage, burn, loot, and kidnap people.


... and considering Viserys is the biggest threat to Aemon's rule, does he really think that's whats going to happen. The man who's empire he's been raiding and warring with for decades and has single-handedly almost destroyed the Dothraki way of life in the east of the sea, and who's ships and men you'd be entirely surrounded by and be at the mercy of, and who has every reason to want you dead... that's who he's going to trust? Surely, a man who's as skilled and experienced as he would know how hopelessly naïve that is.

It's the notion of putting your entire people's resources into the hands of your worst enemy that doesn't really click. It's not like they're facing a mutual threat where it's either join or die.
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Postby Arana » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:32 pm

New Granadeseret wrote:
Arana wrote:I thought I gave the reason... he intends on using this alliance for the opportunity to raid, burn, and loot the Reach, possibly the Westerlands as well, before going back to raiding the Lhazareen and the Free Cities. The reason people are staying with him is because of A) his mother, B) his dragons, and C) the promise of an entirely new continent on which to pillage, burn, loot, and kidnap people.


... and considering Viserys is the biggest threat to Aemon's rule, does he really think that's whats going to happen. The man who's empire he's been raiding and warring with for decades and has single-handedly almost destroyed the Dothraki way of life in the east of the sea, and who's ships and men you'd be entirely surrounded by and be at the mercy of, and who has every reason to want you dead... that's who he's going to trust? Surely, a man who's as skilled and experienced as he would know how hopelessly naïve that is.

Also, whole new continent... you do remember the whole "Don't go near water your horse can't drink" thing that permeates the whole of Dothraki culture? Convincing a few stragglers with no other choice is one thing, but a whole Khalsar?

Drogo was on the verge of invading Westeros. In fact, the raid in which he recieved the injury that led to his death was meant to capture slaves, which they were going to sell for ships. And also, Aemon actually agreed to let him burn the Reach, meaning he could probably get away with the Westerlands too, and Aemon never minded him raiding the Free Cities.
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Postby Nuxipal » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:57 pm

Nuxipal wrote:NS Nation Name: Nuxipal
House Name: House Bloodfyre
Leader: Ixidor Bloodfyre
Lands: None
Overlord, if any: None
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NS Nation Name: Nuxipal
Character Name: Ixidor Bloodfyre
Title(s): Captain, Freeholder, Prince of Telyria(reference to his father's semi-successful attempts to recolonize the city of Telyria)
Age: 24
Gender: Male
House Allegiance: None
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Biography (At least 2 well written paragraphs): [spoiler]House Bloodfyre survived the Doom by its sub-branch on the island of Elyria. From there the family was able to prosper on the slave trade in and out of Slaver's Bay. When the Dragon Queen arrived in the region there was debate on whether to join her or defeat her. The Bloodfyre family never made a choice and when she left the region to claim Westeros the power vacuum she left in her wake allotted them the opportunity to gain more wealth. The family wealth continued to grow to the point that Ixidor's father planned to try and recolonize parts of other Valyrian freeholds, particularly Telyria near Volantis.

When she departed the region, her rule over the Ghiscari remained. However, with the slave trade effectively broken Elyrian families had to change their ways to gain wealth. The Bloodfyre family became known for their merchant fleets and the high quality armors they produced. Ixidor was born during the time when his father was sending men and ships to try and determine if Telyria could be saved from its ruinous state. Ixidor was the fourth son of the Lord of Elyria and born from his second wife. He has been haunted by dragon dreams throughout his life. With great ambition Ixidor, at age 17, gathered his resources together for an expedition to Valyria. While there he found his own Valyrian Steel Sword "Dragon's Blood" so named for the dragon head on the hilt. He is said to have also gained another possession while he was in Valyria. The expedition however cost him dearly. His best friend was killed when a Kraken attacked his ship. His sister, destined to be his wife, also died when she accompanied him on the journey.

Now, lacking any close friends in Elyria to keep him planted there, and no hopes of gaining his family lands and titles, he set sail with his expeditionary band to Westeros. Many of them refused to go and were simply replaced. Others chose to go because their own funds had run dry since their last raid into Valyria. There they recovered a Westerosi Treasure that many believe to have been lost to the Doom.

Any Additional Information: Leads the Bloodfyre Company, a semi-mercenary band consisting of 30 ships, their crews, and 1500 fighting men.


NS Nation Name: Nuxipal
Faction Name: Bloodfyre Company
Faction Type: (city-state/sellsword company/pirate/khalasar/etc.): Sellsword Company/Private Enterprise
Leader(s): Ixidor Bloodfyre
Territory (if applicable): None
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Postby Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:09 pm

Krugmar wrote:Also another thing to take into consideration is that there are two other triarchs who have been elected, and considering that your character hates the aristocracy, it seems that they will hate your character and veto any of his motions.

Also, I just want to answer this; which, I think, is where lie most of the misunderstanding.
My character don't want to over-throw in any way the current triarchy nor even want to let the freedmen vote.
He isn't a reformator, see him more like a Gracchus, althought way less extremists. A man who think his society is doomed if it just keep to maintaining the old way and only want it to adapt rather than to reform itself.
Even the "Old Blood" know it even if they don't understand it, and that's why it's possible to make some little reforms. Because they see that by giving a little, they can keep a lot.
Also, my character ain't "against" the Triarchs, he's an aristocrat himself; living inside the Black Wall and making money in the trade.

At last, I don't think a "murdering" would be very pleasible since he's a good way to keep the people calm and isn't asking too much.
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Postby Yaana Noore » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:28 pm

What is currently happening with the Night's Watch? Was hoping to play a character on the Wall.

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Postby Of the Quendi » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:01 pm

Diliath wrote:Just a qminor uestion about it, why is there a grey gap inside the Ghiscari Empire?

Thats one of the reasons why I say the map is inaccurate. It depicts the ruins of Bhorash which are part of the Ghiscari Empire (disputed by the Mantarine Rebellion). Volantis is also bigger and the Crownlands smaller.
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Aelex wrote:So. Who would want to apply for being the second triarch? Because it's quite true that Volantis is way too powerful to be on the hands of one only man.

It would be awesome to have three different players RP'ing competing factions of Volantis but I doubt its happening. It isn't a big problem to have one player control Volantis though. Its fleets may be stronger then anyone else's except Braavos but its army is weak depending on sellswords so that balances it out.
New Granadeseret wrote:@Quendi: I wasen't being critical of your acceptance in the face of being offered a Dothraki/Ghiscar alliance at essentially no cost to yourself: it's a flat out amazing offer and one you shoulden't refuse. It's more a critique of what fit of madness was going on in Visery's head when he offered it and why is Khalsar didn't trample him for showing such weakness by bending over to the soft, settled peoples of Slaver's Bay and the Lamb men. The raiding and selling of slaves having been one of their largest sources of wealth (And, in the eastern sections of the Dothraki Sea where their main stomping grounds are, who else but Ghiscar is there to raid?) and Aemon nipped that in the bud. Viserys, being more "Dany's son" (in temperament and upbringing, by his and the Dothraki's perspective), would naturally want to seize the Bay and the wealth Aemon has built up in it, especially since he would inheiret all his rights should Aemon die. Taking the Dothraki across the poison water; something they as a culture shun the very idea of, isen't something that he should consider a goal: it runs contrary to every value, experience and custom he would take on as being a great Khal.

I just can't touch on Arana's reasoning when he made the offer instead, so radically does it go against the grain. It'd be like the Starks kneeling down to like Tommen's boats in complete servitude because reason. People can RP and act, yes, but those actions need to be justified: especially when it requires moving an entire people to action. Perhaps there's some reasoning I"m not seeing here . Arana would be the one to deliver that though.

(For instance, I'm not happy House Connington is even a thing, but I'm not saying they can't exist; they just need to exist in a manner they can justify without a deus ex machina. Same thing with Ghiscar: so long as you can justify your positions, I have no problem with them being fairly tough and getting a bit of extra luck and good leadership: something you have done pretty well in our two discussions. I just like to know the how and why behind things)

Got it. About Viserys's position I have found it a bit weird and I would like to think that Aemon strong-armed Viserys into adopting it. :p

However the position does have some things going for it. Viserys's mother was murdered by the Tyrell's its perfectly natural that he would want vengeance. His khalasar's position on allying with "lamb men" and Ghiscari is probably going to be negative, but on the other hand the Dothraki are a very superstitious people that seem to be very easily manipulated. I wouldn't consider it past them to fawn so much over dragons that they will do whatever their leader says. Daenerys's merry band of misfits certainly seemed to be very devoted to their mistress and determined to do all the thing that is known to be bad.

About Aemon's obstruction of the Dothraki way of life it would effect the Dothraki race as a whole, but Viserys doesn't lead the whole nation, he leads only his own khalasar. If it has spent most of its time in the west raiding the Free Cities its not necessarily going to care much.

I expect that it will come as a surprise to no one that I myself argumentative and eager to discuss the details of the hows and whys, which is why I have been debating the situation of my empire rather then put up an IC thread. But all things in moderation so I am just going to let that be my two cents on what could justify Viserys and then leave it to Arana to debate his position. With the one caveat that I think it could be a very exciting twist further down the road to have Aemon and Viserys fall out after landing in the Seven Kingdoms.
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What/where is Telyria? Does your character own that city?
Yaana Noore wrote:What is currently happening with the Night's Watch? Was hoping to play a character on the Wall.

Not much I think.
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Postby Diliath » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:04 pm

I was thinking about making the Stormcrows a 1100 men big. On their current mission, however, will they also been aided by 500 soldiers in the service of lady Saerella. Is this fine with all?

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Postby Yaana Noore » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:27 pm

Of the Quendi wrote:
Yaana Noore wrote:What is currently happening with the Night's Watch? Was hoping to play a character on the Wall.

Not much I think.

If that's true me playing a ranger would be rather uneventful. May I instead app the Lord Commander?
Also is nothing happening with the Wildlings or Others?

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Postby Krugmar » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:31 pm

Yaana Noore wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:
Not much I think.

If that's true me playing a ranger would be rather uneventful. May I instead app the Lord Commander?
Also is nothing happening with the Wildlings or Others?


Just to clarify in case anybody brings it up, though I believe I mentioned it before, I will not be applying as Lord Commander this time around and personally I think the Wall backstory that I made and current story I rp'ed at the Wall should be retconned and a discussion could occur on what storyline to give it.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:34 pm

Of the Quendi wrote:It would be awesome to have three different players RP'ing competing factions of Volantis but I doubt its happening. It isn't a big problem to have one player control Volantis though. Its fleets may be stronger then anyone else's except Braavos but its army is weak depending on sellswords so that balances it out.

I do have to agree that it would be freaking cool! :lol:
Still, I saw a lot of remarks against my app which I all answered with rather plausible arguments (or at least I hope so); but I don't want the R.P to start on an unfinished debate.
So, I guess I'll just do as you and, if you don't mind, put an ultimatum of 24 hours to finish to debate about it. After that, the whole "Is a third-way populalist Triarch is plausible" I'll considered to be settled for the rest of the R.P.
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Postby Nuxipal » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:35 pm

Of the Quendi wrote:
Nuxipal wrote:-snip-

What/where is Telyria? Does your character own that city?
Yaana Noore wrote:What is currently happening with the Night's Watch? Was hoping to play a character on the Wall.

Not much I think.



My bad, forgot it wasn't a canon location. I had copy/pasted some parts of the backstory from the original use of the App. The location is from the AGOT mod and sits on the Sea of Sighs opposite of the city of Mantarys. And no, its simply a title because of his father's pet project to try and restore the city and its harbors. Used mockingly in Elyria.
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Postby Blackledge » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:22 pm

Of the Quendi wrote:I am not even sure what to write anymore, we are getting nowhere with this.

Yeah, it's fine. I went for jog and when I came back decided it wasn't really worth it to debate. Ghiscar is neat in it's own way, and fuck it let's just see how it goes. I didn't really read the rest of your post so if there's anything important in it just steer me back to it.
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So I'm trying to write character proflies for Kennos, Russal, and Arya Clegane, but it's a bit difficult since I can't really gleam dates off of the OP.

When did the War of the Five Kings end?
How many years were in between the War and the Tyrell Rebellion?
When did the Tyrell Rebellion end?
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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:46 am

Diliath wrote:I was thinking about making the Stormcrows a 1100 men big. On their current mission, however, will they also been aided by 500 soldiers in the service of lady Saerella. Is this fine with all?

Sure.
Aelex wrote:I do have to agree that it would be freaking cool! :lol:
Still, I saw a lot of remarks against my app which I all answered with rather plausible arguments (or at least I hope so); but I don't want the R.P to start on an unfinished debate.
So, I guess I'll just do as you and, if you don't mind, put an ultimatum of 24 hours to finish to debate about it. After that, the whole "Is a third-way populalist Triarch is plausible" I'll considered to be settled for the rest of the R.P.
Is it ok for you?

Yeah nice try, I am the only one who gets to close debates. But I don't have a big problem with your independent triarch. Its implausible but I don't think its impossible. I can live with improbable in people's backstories. After the elephants (and lone tiger) were humiliated by their defeat to Daenerys I don't see why new people could have gotten their day in the sun. Which is not to say that I can accept the regular election of a large number of nonaligned triarchs, but an independent triarch as an anomaly doesn't much vex me.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:So I'm trying to write character proflies for Kennos, Russal, and Arya Clegane, but it's a bit difficult since I can't really gleam dates off of the OP.

When did the War of the Five Kings end?
How many years were in between the War and the Tyrell Rebellion?
When did the Tyrell Rebellion end?

The War of the Five King didn't as much end as it just began to die down. By 301 it was essentially a stalemate with Stannis on the Iron Throne and Tommen holding the Westerlands and the Reach. Various conflicts however continued until 303 when Jon made peace with Tommen but between 301-303 the combination of winter and general fatigue. Even after 303 the six kingdoms under Jon continued fighting the Iron Isles which may have lasted even into 305-306.

As a result of the difficulties in setting a final date for the end of the War of the Five Kings its equally difficult to determine how many years there was between the end of the War of the Five Kings and the Tyrell Rebellion. From twelve to seventeen dependent on measure.

The Tyrell Rebellion was a very short conflict which was more of a coup d'etat then an actual war. In 318 the Tyrell's took King's Landing in a surprise attack. The conflict probably continued into 319 before it was finally settled.
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